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Hammer vs hammerless triggergroups?

Posted by Daniel R. Simmons on February 5, 2020, 10:54 am

Hi everybody
Trying to spot a low end triggergroup online for a project FW 1XXXXX. I notice some have two screw holes at the tang end, some have one. I thought maybe the hammer models used the two screw version but I see them listed both ways. Can somebody shed some light? I am pretty new and my library is still very skimpy on LC. Thanx

Re: Hammer vs hammerless triggergroups?

Posted by Dan Wildhaber on February 6, 2020, 11:47 am, in reply to "Hammer vs hammerless triggergroups?"

The trigger assembly and safety assembly need to be compatible so that is what determines the style of trigger plate. (The linkage has to interface bother the safety and the triggers)
Since these parts were hand fitted don't expect them to be interchangeable without refitting
The design evolved throughout production.
The parts are specific to either feather-weight or regular frames.
A hammer gun didn't have a safety but I suppose you could modify it although I wouldn't recommend making modifications to safeties.
The plates with the two holes were used only on early style plates which didn't utilize the bridge, as far as I know.

If you're going to hobby around with these guns I highly recommend acquiring a copy of Plans & Specifications Of The L. C. Smith Shotgun by William Brophy; it will allow you to identify parts and provides drawings when necessary to fabricate them.

Re: Hammer vs hammerless triggergroups?

Posted by Daniel R. Simmons on February 6, 2020, 1:54 pm, in reply to "Re: Hammer vs hammerless triggergroups?"

Thanks Dan. At this point I have no safety at all just a slot in the tang where the assembly goes. I am familiar with Brophy I used his book on the Springfield '03 to correct and rebuild my WWI version. The versions of the LC Book seem pretty pricey, but I will get on the lookout for a copy. How do the FW and R triggergroups differ most?

Hammer vs hammerless triggergroups before 1913

Posted by Jent P Mitchell III on February 6, 2020, 2:00 pm, in reply to "Hammer vs hammerless triggergroups?"

The trigger bows with 2 screws going into the wood of the grip are most likely on guns built before 1913..... Jent

many of us throw out the LCS safety

Posted by Jent P Mitchell III on February 6, 2020, 2:06 pm, in reply to "Re: Hammer vs hammerless triggergroups?"

Hello Daniel, Many of us disable or totally remove the safety on our L C Smith shooters to prevent trigger problems. The LCS safety is really not a safety, it is just a trigger block. The LCS safety does nothing to block the hammers or lock the firing pins. Jent.

Re: Hammer vs hammerless triggergroups before 1913

Posted by Daniel R. Simmons on February 6, 2020, 7:27 pm, in reply to "Hammer vs hammerless triggergroups before 1913"

Thanks everybody for the input. Is there a specific type of safety set up that works best? I want double triggers and two position automatic safety on this FW, and I would prefer to not have to disable it.

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