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8 ga lc

Posted by don bullock on June 14, 2019, 2:26 pm

i attended the southern in april and brought a few guns. one was a previously unknown 8 ga with a seracuse ser. no. in a quality 1. a lot of members saw the gun and i believe found it interesting, but i never heard any opinions on the gun. i would be interested in any opinions from any of you who did see the gun.

Re: 8 ga lc

Posted by Tom Archer on June 15, 2019, 10:30 am, in reply to "8 ga lc"

Don
After examining the gun personally and reading Buck Hamlin's comments, I agree with Buck and believe he is spot on in his opinion of authenticity (save for the blued over Damascus barrels of course; which I understand are being put back to original finish).

OK ...... I give up ...... What was the opinion

Posted by Jent P Mitchell III on June 16, 2019, 2:25 pm, in reply to "Re: 8 ga lc"

Hello Tom and Don, OK, What was the opinion of Buck about this L C Smith big bore shotgun ??? ..... I assume that we are speaking about the L C Smith with odd sized bores but 8 gauge chambers ??????..... Am I correct ????.... Jent

Re: OK ...... I give up ...... What was the opinion

Posted by don bullock on June 21, 2019, 9:44 am, in reply to "OK ...... I give up ...... What was the opinion"

8 ga bls. i'll quote Bucks letter regarding the bls. "the bls. are twist and are original 30 inch the chokes are .025 and .030 right and left and are of the early tapered style with no straight wall.they have not been cut."
to anyone who may be interested i'm willing to send a copy of the 2 page letter from buck. He makes no mention of odd sized bores? his explanation of the gun makes total sense. but i have an open mind and would like to learn more. all opinions are welcome. Don

Re: OK ...... I give up ...... What was the opinion

Posted by Don Bullock on June 21, 2019, 9:50 am, in reply to "Re: OK ...... I give up ...... What was the opinion"

the letter was sent to Dr. Jim.

Re: OK ...... I give up ...... What was the opinion

Posted by Don Bullock on June 21, 2019, 10:22 am, in reply to "Re: OK ...... I give up ...... What was the opinion"

8 ga. mystery. others have agreed with me that this gun may be the last 8 ga. gun made by HUnter Arms

Re: OK ...... I give up ...... What was the opinion

Posted by Jeff Brant on June 21, 2019, 9:43 pm, in reply to "Re: OK ...... I give up ...... What was the opinion"

I'm confused. I thought it was a Syracuse gun with Quality 1 style engraving but it is a Hunter Arms gun Grade 1?

Re: OK ...... I give up ...... What was the opinion

Posted by Don Bullock on June 22, 2019, 5:28 pm, in reply to "Re: OK ...... I give up ...... What was the opinion"

if you send me your email add. i'llsend you a copy of the letter. you need the entire letter to understand what the gun is.

Re: OK ...... I give up ...... What was the opinion

Posted by Don Bullock on June 22, 2019, 5:33 pm, in reply to "Re: OK ...... I give up ...... What was the opinion"

my email bully9100@gmail.com

The Best Big L C Smith That I Saw and Handled At The Southern

Posted by Jent P Mitchell III on June 22, 2019, 10:36 pm, in reply to "Re: OK ...... I give up ...... What was the opinion"

The best big L C Smith that I saw and handled at The Southern SXS Shoot this year, 2019, was a 10 bore L C Smith built on an 8 gauge frame ...... Those barrels were either 32 inches or 34 inches long, I have forgotten which but I can recover the information ...... This gun was in very very high original condition .... This was only the third LCS that I have seen built in this configuration .... This gun might be the biggest 10 bore SXS shotgun that I have ever picked up .... Good Shooting To You All, Jent.

Syracuse breech sizes

Posted by David Williamson on June 23, 2019, 7:50 am, in reply to "The Best Big L C Smith That I Saw and Handled At The Southern "

The Syracuse L.C. Smiths were offered in three different frame sizes, Regular, Heavy and Extra Heavy. I have measurements of some of the Regular and Heavy frames but only one or two of the Extra Heavy frames and looking at the bores from the breech there looks to be enough metal to make an 8 gauge out of them.
I have pictures and will post them later to show the difference.

Re: Syracuse breech sizes

Posted by don bullock on June 26, 2019, 10:04 am, in reply to "Syracuse breech sizes"

i' be watching for your photos

Re: Syracuse breech sizes

Posted by David Williamson on June 26, 2019, 10:28 am, in reply to "Re: Syracuse breech sizes"

Don I am having trouble getting them from Photobucket. I have been a member there since the beginning, now they want you to pay...……..not me I now use Imgur

Re: Syracuse breech sizes

Posted by don bullock on June 27, 2019, 9:58 am, in reply to "Re: Syracuse breech sizes"

dave:
if you send me your email add. i'll send you a copy of Bucks letter and a photo of the newly browned bls. i just got back from him yesterday.

Re: Syracuse breech sizes

Posted by don bullock on June 27, 2019, 10:05 am, in reply to "Re: Syracuse breech sizes"

i'.ll include a photo of the rib extension which i believe is much larger than a 10 ga.i'd be interested to know if it's one of the three different sizes you mentioned in your post.

Re: Syracuse breech sizes

Posted by David Williamson on June 27, 2019, 12:48 pm, in reply to "Re: Syracuse breech sizes"

Don, I would appreciate seeing the letter from Buck. Also if you could include a description of gun, ie; barrel length, serial number and if you could measure the distance from the rim to the rib extension.
I did finally find the one I had and it shows 3/64 " (.0469. I didn't have anything larger and hopefully yours will be the Extra Heavy barrels. I know that I have one that is larger just never upgraded my pictures.

jdw110@live.com

Re: OK ...... I give up ...... What was the opinion

Posted by Charles Brooks jr on June 30, 2019, 4:55 pm, in reply to "Re: OK ...... I give up ...... What was the opinion"

Has chamber and bore diameter been measured yet?

Re: OK ...... I give up ...... What was the opinion

Posted by don bullock on July 1, 2019, 9:36 am, in reply to "Re: OK ...... I give up ...... What was the opinion"

charlie jr.
if you are interested i will send you a copy of Bucks letter to dr.Jim Need your email
thanks Don

waiting for letter from Buck Hamlin

Posted by David Williamson on July 1, 2019, 11:34 am, in reply to "Re: OK ...... I give up ...... What was the opinion"

Don, I posted my email and I have yet to get an email from you.

Re: Syracuse breech sizes

Posted by Gary Rennles on July 1, 2019, 7:10 pm, in reply to "Re: Syracuse breech sizes"

This print titled : Barrels slab & watertable Gauges
Shows a notation for the 10 gauge barrels as the "1906 style".

http://library.centerofthewest.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/WRAC/id/7830/rec/378

This print titled : Slabbing Barrels dated 6/24/12

Shows a notation for the 10 gauge barrels and shows a measurment for the "old style" and another for the "1906 style".
It also shows 2 measurment 8 gauge barrels.

http://library.centerofthewest.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/WRAC/id/7829/rec/97

I was thinking 1906 would be one of the change's in the 10 gauge size?

Re: Syracuse breech sizes

Posted by Bill Murphy on July 5, 2019, 3:18 pm, in reply to "Re: Syracuse breech sizes"

A better service to LCSCA members would be to give us the measurements of the width of the breech balls of the three different sizes of eight gauge frames. We could then make a determination of the relative size of our ten gauge Smiths also. I wonder if we could also get a scan of the letter mentioned. Thanks.

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