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Earliest .410 with 3" chambers

Posted by Drew Hause on January 29, 2018, 5:56 pm

On introduction in 1926 the .410 chambers were 2 1/2". "Soon thereafter" the standard was 3", but the shipping records the LCSCA received from BBHC in Cody did not include .410 chamber length, so we don't now how "soon thereafter".
See "The L.C. Smith Production Records" by Dr. James Stubbendieck, p. 104

Brophy didn't say, and Houchins (p. 391) only has a Hunter Arms Engineering Specification chart from 1936 showing 3".

The first 3" chamber .410 would be a nice addition to the L.C. Smith Chronology.

1929 Specialty .410

Posted by Drew Hause on January 29, 2018, 6:35 pm, in reply to "Earliest .410 with 3" chambers"

And does every 3" .410 carry the "CHAMBER 3 INCHES" mark? Can we be sure the 3" chambers are factory if it doesn't?

1936 Field Grade Chambers 3 Inches

Posted by David Williamson on January 29, 2018, 7:07 pm, in reply to "1929 Specialty .410"

Brother Drew, a friends 1936 Field Grade has Chambers 3 Inches stamped in an oval on the barrel flats.

Introduction of 3" shells

Posted by Drew Hause on January 29, 2018, 7:16 pm, in reply to "1936 Field Grade Chambers 3 Inches"
Edited by board administrator January 29, 2018, 7:18 pm

In 1933 both Peters and Western introduced the 3" shell, and Winchester the Model 42, but 3" 12mm shells had been available in England for some time
http://cartridgecollectors.org/?page=collecting-410-shotshells

"Shooting Around The Clock" was conceived in 1923 by William Harden Foster, who was then editor and chief illustrator of both National Sportsman and Hunting and Fishing magazines. The discipline became "Skeet" in May 1926 and was aggressively promoted by Foster.
By the mid-1930s the .410 was being used in competition in two classes: ".410 Long" with 3/4 oz. and ".410 Short" with 3/8 oz. shot.

Re: Introduction of 3" shells

Posted by JAMES MARTIN on January 30, 2018, 2:48 pm, in reply to "Introduction of 3" shells"

I have # FW111188 a 410 field that has 3 in chambers with no 3 inch markings.I believe it to be original, made in 1928.

1928 .410 3" chamber

Posted by Drew Hause on January 30, 2018, 3:11 pm, in reply to "Re: Introduction of 3" shells"

Jim: have you requested a Research Letter?

Re: 1928 .410 3" chamber

Posted by JAMES MARTIN on January 30, 2018, 7:43 pm, in reply to "1928 .410 3" chamber"

No I have not, guess I should

Re: 1928 .410 3" chamber

Posted by James Martin on February 9, 2018, 2:10 pm, in reply to "Re: 1928 .410 3" chamber"

There was just posted a 410 for sale on Parker site which I am a member of, # FWE109670 which seller says is a 3 inch ,the photo shows it is not marked, like mine. It is also on Guns International.

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