Thanks for the replies. I actually have a thing for the Ideal grade guns and I also like hammer guns but I was thinking I would try to find an Ideal 20ga. to start with. Many years ago I saw a table full of Ideal grade guns at a gun show, they belonged to an older gentleman who told me he had been collecting them for many years and thought it was time for someone else to enjoy them for a while. I was fresh out of Navy boot camp and could barely afford entry to the show so a gun was out of the question but I never forgot those guns!