A hunting partner shared LC'c with me after I got hooked on doubles with interactions with Larry Brown. He had me work on a couple of his beaters and then showed me his good stuff. He had an A-2 with a broken top spring that I fixed. With all Pre-13 grades except for a 4 including the most wonderful 20 ga Pigeon gun. The balance and feel of that gun are truly remarkable. I haven't had the chance to shoot it but I know it would be a wand.