Posted by old_tom_morris on August 15, 2025, 11:55 am
Horrific. Wall to wall tourist reds decked out head to toe in kits and souvenir shop tat.
Someone please reassure me this isn't what we're on the road to becoming with our new yank owners and shiny new stadium. Is there any room for local supporters at the tin mine any more or is it day-truppers from around the globe?
Re: City centre
Posted by kop_gobshites on August 16, 2025, 8:47 am, in reply to "City centre "
Walls you say…?The king’s servants but Ireland’s first
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Posted by Dirk Hoffman on August 15, 2025, 1:33 pm, in reply to "City centre "
they only have about 25000 season tickets, that leaves about 35000 for corporate and tourists.
we have 40000 season tickets.The only survivor of the National People's Gang.
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Posted by ste on August 16, 2025, 8:38 am, in reply to "Re: City centre "
This is going to change. Have you seen match day prices? They’re almost 30 quid a game more for a lot of matches. The season ticket prices will rocket next season. We’ve already had something like 25% since Covid as well. CHEER UP, PLUMS
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Posted by Est-1878 on August 16, 2025, 8:39 am, in reply to "Re: City centre "
Posted by Blueskiesahead on August 16, 2025, 8:42 am, in reply to "Re: City centre "
I genuinely don’t know what my hard line will be but £52 per game I could still justify I think.'The time I've spent - but never feels wasted. Always something to make me arf'
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Posted by ste on August 16, 2025, 8:58 am, in reply to "Re: City centre "
I look at those match day prices and think 70 quid a game sees me off. CHEER UP, PLUMS
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Posted by Blueskiesahead on August 16, 2025, 9:02 am, in reply to "Re: City centre "
Yeh I think you’re right Ste, over £60 feels a lot, north of £70 I’m defo out.'The time I've spent - but never feels wasted. Always something to make me arf'
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Posted by duncans_boots on August 16, 2025, 9:54 am, in reply to "Re: City centre "
i went last week, purely to experience the stadium, but 30 for that was enough for me, seen quotes of 60-71 for individual adult tickets, im already out at that price, as the rest of the days add ons make it push up towards a oner, no ta.....Kloppites are Gobshites
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Posted by EFC1095 on August 15, 2025, 12:48 pm, in reply to "City centre "
Sh!t I'm in Town tonight, bad planning
Re: City centre
Posted by Melling_Vic69 on August 15, 2025, 12:33 pm, in reply to "City centre "
We are headed there yes, but without the trophies and success.
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Posted by ste on August 15, 2025, 12:39 pm, in reply to "Re: City centre "
It’s started. On here if you say you think stuff is too expensive you just get told to stop going then.
Saw the prices for the villa game yesterday and it’s only category b but over seventy quid. Horrific for a family that CHEER UP, PLUMS
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Posted by efcman4ever on August 15, 2025, 3:54 pm, in reply to "Re: City centre "
Grounds not big enough. That's the long and the short of it.
If i was being selfish then put the prices up so I can go and others get priced out. That's not me though - or most people from our region. We ARE different as a club and have tried to do the right thing wherever possible versus those cashing in pricks.
Been paying membership for 5 years - a new thing for Everton. A season ticket isn't a convenience anymore - it's a golden ticket. With my 54 year old lifelong Evertonian head on - surely 5 years is enough - I should have a season ticket now. We have a new ground with increased capacity - that was the dangled carrot. I've paid my dues. This isn't how it used to work.
Back then you eventually got round to getting one so you knew you were getting a derby ticket and saved a few quid due to your loyalty. Anyone else could still go to as many games as they liked - just pay on the day or ring up and buy a ticket
I used to have a ST back in the day and like most I decided it was easier to get one than not have one. Didn't keep it up - that's on me.
The club will balance supply with demand over time. They are leaving money on the table if they don't. If they truly wanted to stay being the people's club then the ground would have been 65k and have empty seats now and again. Like it was before it sold out every game.
Also - I bet season tickets given up don't go to people on the waiting list. They will go to seat unique or the ballot.
There are a lot more inequities in the new ground than the price of a hot dog.How can you tell if someone is a Kopite? If the hat, scarf, T shirt or tattoo isn't enough of a clue, they will have told you within two sentences. Basically, it's a cult.
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Posted by Essy on August 15, 2025, 12:21 pm, in reply to "City centre "
Shite I'm going for a birthday meal in town late afternoon the place will be infested with the strain
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Posted by Est-1878 on August 15, 2025, 12:21 pm, in reply to "City centre "
Posted by rookwood on August 15, 2025, 11:30 pm, in reply to "Re: City centre "
I keep saying this, but our fan base is one of the least affluent in the league because it is so local, and the plan has to be to substantively replace it if BMD will 'make us competitive'.
We are 'legacy fans'. If we are to be competitive, we need to be gradually phased out and be replaced in large part by tourists and day trippers.
The classic rejoinder is 'well that won't happen when we're not winning things' which makes two mistakes.
Firstly, underestimating the draw of 'the PL experience' to an international audience. Now, could we fill BMD with tourists and day trippers every week as of today? No, of course we couldn't. But the novelty of the stadium, its location, and the PL more broadly means we could ship well more than many think. Gradually, as time moves on, STHs will be drawn from a broader base including further afield.
Second, if the argument for BMD that fans make holds true and we do get success by any yardstick, then the appeal factor solves itself insofar as is an issue at all (and I think it is significantly overblown).
This is why I keep using the example of BMD being a gamble, but if it 'comes off' then in ten years we may have won some things but those of us who have had STHs for decades will be watching it on the couch in our DHGate knock-off tops whilst some people with whatever is equivalent for iPads in ten years are filming it in their half and half scarves at the ground.
People focus on the Kopites because a) we hate them and love to goad them and also b) they are across the park and in the city centre so this is what we see.
But head elsewhere in the PL and you'll see matchday tourism is a huge thing. Everton as a business want their share.
The People's Club thing is dead. It started to die when Moshiri came in, and now it is definitely dead - BMD is just an enormous monetisation opportunity. That is the price of 'being competitive' in modern football, whether you like it or not, it is true (I don't like it - but I accept it is true).
Evertonians have been starved of success for so long that having a better stadium than the Kopites is a 'must succeed' thing for some and no criticism can be allowee, even if (for example) that criticism is about accessibility for disabled people which was actually very good for disabled people at Goodison and is now seriously diminished. It mirrors the desperation in some quarters to blame Kenwright for every Moshiri mistake. I'm no apologist for Kenwright, but for all his mistakes and the limitations of him hiring people he knew that were loyal to him, the flipside was many of them were actual Evertonians who knew the city.
Evertonians will now find out what it is like when businesspeople from the US hold those roles. And to some extent what they called for - greater business savvy and ruthlessness - will be displayed, as with the dismissal of Dyche.
But the fans calling for it don't seem to grasp that they too are expendable. The game isn't ours any more, and hasn't been for a long time.
I'm not a latter-day doom-monger. I'm a long-term one. I have been involved with fan ownership schemes at a number of clubs, am a shareholder and member of a number of clubs in Europe, and I was an adviser to an EFL fan owned club's Trust board. I have been on two national governing bodies. Most all though I am a die hard Evertonian. But I did all the above because I believe this game, and others, should belong to the people.
That's fucked as far as pro mens football goes really, so fair play to those who want just to enjoy the rest of the ride and ignore overly-long rants from the likes of me. It's absolutely every Evertonian's right to enjoy it as they wish, just as it is the new owners' right to run the club as they see fit.
It's just I think it's pretty obvious where this is going.
Re: City centre
Posted by drexxxler on August 16, 2025, 9:50 am, in reply to "Re: City centre "
Just hope any success is early in the carpet bagging era so a modicum of glory is retained
The club will kill itself quickly if it tries to emulate the schites model ; that model isn’t by design ; a whole load of factors …social, sporting, commercial, behavioural …combined to create that fcked up situation whereby knobhead families from all over everywhere but this city treat it as Mecca
The last remaining legacy fans will be away fans ; football would be miles better to attend if everyone was that class of fan
I despise them gobshites but the local fan must be fuming
It won’t happen with us to the same extent the wider world doesn’t give a fck ;
Re: City centre
Posted by Boom94 on August 16, 2025, 9:36 am, in reply to "Re: City centre "
Footballs been fucked for years hasn’t it.
It must be the worst run sport in the game and EVERYTHING is about money.
I dip in and out but I stopped going properly must be nearly 20 years ago now.
I don’t miss it.
As a side point though, the accessibility issues at BMD are a disgrace and need sorting out. That shoudve been one thing that a brand new stadium shoudve provided.Not my words Carol- The words of Top Gear Magazine!!
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Posted by Jimmys_Arch on August 16, 2025, 9:35 am, in reply to "Re: City centre "
They talked about this as soon as they announced the capacity......53 thousand would make sure there was plenty of demand......it's not just tourists as well, it's blues without season tickets will pay 200+ quid a ticket if they reckon they can only get to 2/3 games a season..... whether it's sustainable without success is another thing, but a lot of people will be priced out along the way....it amazes me how many people don't seem arsed about this though..... especially when people are paying 700+ for something and expected not to moan if something is a bit shit.
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Posted by Touching_Cloth on August 16, 2025, 9:00 am, in reply to "Re: City centre "
I think this just about nails it.
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Posted by ste on August 16, 2025, 8:35 am, in reply to "Re: City centre "
Well said mate.
The “if you don’t like it fuck off” stuff you see on here says it all. Eventually we’ll be a shit Liverpool or Arsenal and most of us will be watching at home as we’ve been priced out of going.
I think they’ll start to cut season ticket numbers back making it less and less affordable and we will end up just like LFC as “can’t get a ticket la” types
Interestingly I heard an LFC advert on Spotify this morning them trying to sell hospitality packages. How very modern football is that. CHEER UP, PLUMS
Re: City centre
Posted by Blueskiesahead on August 16, 2025, 8:22 am, in reply to "Re: City centre "
Given the choice the vast majority of tourists who want to take in a game will choose them lot, unless fixtures fall very kindly they won’t be able to do both and even if they can I’d say it’s unlikely. Seeing bmd will possibly be on their agenda and maybe even a stadium tour but very few tourists are planning a trip to the city and to see us, at the expense of them.'The time I've spent - but never feels wasted. Always something to make me arf'
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Posted by Holy Bluran on August 16, 2025, 8:15 am, in reply to "Re: City centre "
Posted by jamrock on August 16, 2025, 7:59 am, in reply to "Re: City centre "
Spot on. West Ham have become just as you describe. Half their crowd are tourists in London wanting the PL experience.
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Posted by Beldale blue on August 16, 2025, 7:50 am, in reply to "Re: City centre "
One of the best, and depressing, things I’ve read on here. You’ve put into words perfectly my thoughts. I’m 55, so the same generation of blue as yourself. I’m fortunate enough to have a season ticket at the moment, but wonder how long my appetite for going the game is going to last. Would you mind if I passed your comment on to a couple of friends I go the game with? We’re all of a very similar mind about this.
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Posted by rookwood on August 16, 2025, 9:39 am, in reply to "Re: City centre "
Thanks mate. And of course, feel free.
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Posted by Est-1878 on August 15, 2025, 11:39 pm, in reply to "Re: City centre "
I think what you’ve written there is brilliant and very thought provoking
I’ve been inside BMD during construction but not for a match
I want my first time there to be the first game proper and have held this belief since day one
Where’s as money for a ST was no problem when I worked I now have to be financially careful
Posted by rookwood on August 15, 2025, 11:43 pm, in reply to "Re: City centre "
Thanks, and sending solidarity mate, it's not easy for me to manage it at the minute either, I took a big pay cut when I lost my last job and the current one is only PT. But we do keep going for the love of it don't we.
UTFT.
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Posted by ste on August 15, 2025, 12:10 pm, in reply to "City centre "
I had the same experience yesterday which wasn’t even a match day. They’re a weird bunch. CHEER UP, PLUMS
Re: City centre
Posted by solent_toffee on August 15, 2025, 12:09 pm, in reply to "City centre "
Last season I came up for a family get together in town the day they played Southampton at home. Got the 12.10 train from Ellesmere Port (wool) and didn’t see a single person with any RS clobber, scarf etc. And then arrived at Lime Street.
Fuck me, it was like going to Universal on Florida. Place was rammed full of tourists, looked like they’d ram raided the club shop which had ridiculous queues. And then there was the taxi rank outside The Shakespeare, thousands queuing up as they clearly have no idea how to get to the ground.
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Posted by BertieBigBollocks on August 16, 2025, 9:22 am, in reply to "Re: City centre "
I live in Childwall and years ago when they played at home, Queens Drive up from Allerton Rd to the Fiveways then down to the Rocket would be nose-to-tail traffic but now it's nowhere near as bad until you get past the Rocket then you hit a wall of traffic from all of the out-of-towners coming off the M62, it's mad looking back how much it has changed over the last ten years or so.
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Posted by Blueskiesahead on August 16, 2025, 8:07 am, in reply to "Re: City centre "
Sounds like me when I went and watched Barcelona, club stuff on and no idea how to get to the ground, great trip mind!'The time I've spent - but never feels wasted. Always something to make me arf'
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Posted by Beldale blue on August 15, 2025, 12:44 pm, in reply to "Re: City centre "
Don’t they have stewards/Marshall’s, call them what you will, at Lime street for their home games, tell fans arriving how to get to Anfield? Sure somebody on here posted this a while ago.
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Posted by Est-1878 on August 15, 2025, 12:50 pm, in reply to "Re: City centre "
on August 15, 2025, 11:55 am