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Usyk…

Posted by Boom94 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Boom94' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 19, 2025, 10:38 pm

Generational great.

A joy to watch.

Incredible

You can either book me now or wait for Cliff Thorburn. But if Cliff Thorburn
goes AWOL you’re up slack alley.

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Posted by Nick-H <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Nick-H' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 20, 2025, 11:52 am, in reply to "Usyk…"

An interesting analysis of his training for anybody who’s a fitness nerd like me.
Very much functional and explosive movements rather than bodybuilding. You can see why he’s so quick and mobile for a heavyweight

https://youtu.be/i3Uf5hBpkCc?si=KDyMy6EevWQGlXLv

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Posted by Heisenberg Blue <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Heisenberg+Blue' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 20, 2025, 1:03 pm, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

Yeah lots of short sharp movements, reaction speeds, ball games, feet movements etc He does dozens of different agility routines. Bivol is very similar. Most boxers you see are pads, bags, sparring and skipping. In that fight last night his tactics were keep moving, avoid punches and find 1/100 of a split second chance to land a punch through a very small space. Dubois's was try and land a big punch.

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Posted by L20_1878 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=L20_1878' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 20, 2025, 3:37 pm, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

I opened a kitchen cupboard door this morning and caught a glass cup that fell out. Stitch that.

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Posted by Fazak_Blue <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Fazak_Blue' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 20, 2025, 3:41 pm, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

Aye aye Big Dave Beasant is BACK.

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Posted by Nick-H <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Nick-H' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 20, 2025, 3:11 pm, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

Running was my sport and I know nothing about boxing but find it fascinating the way people train for different sports.
I think getting fit to do the sport rather than doing sport to get fit is much better.

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Posted by Platinii <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Platinii' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 20, 2025, 1:38 am, in reply to "Usyk…"

Everyone he's fought would've been battered by a world class fighter from another generation.

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Posted by joemul <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=joemul' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 20, 2025, 4:14 pm, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

We can’t know that. Usyk fights at the same weight but as prime Foreman. He’s slightly taller than Bruno. As with every sport, fitness and nutrition will see today’s athletes miles better conditioned than those ‘back in the day’.

For me though, if you were to face off all the great heavies against each other in their prime, Lewis wins. He’s the sweet spot between eras - had the size of modern super heavies but is unusually excellent technically and had great power.

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Relatively speaking though. Just as you would afford 100 metre runners over the decades allowances because of the developments and improvements, same goes with boxers. Anyone with eyes can see there is nobody talented out there except him.

The difference with boxing, and with the likes of tennis, is your opponent directly influences your performance. Consistently fight someone average, and you're not going to be troubled. You're going to look better than if you had someone closer to your level.

Lewis would be in amongst it, as some of the more routine fighters he took on were easily a level above Usyk's opponents. Prime Tyson too and the 70's Three musketeers. Hard to know, but quality of opposition needs to be a bigger factor than technological and sports science advancements, as they only relate to comparisons with the past.

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Posted by bigsteefc <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=bigsteefc' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 20, 2025, 3:34 pm, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

Except him.

1=20

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Posted by Boom94 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Boom94' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 20, 2025, 7:47 am, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

Aye- which is what he’s done to them isn’t it…..

You can either book me now or wait for Cliff Thorburn. But if Cliff Thorburn
goes AWOL you’re up slack alley.

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Yeah, but they also had to face quality fighters. This is the worst the heavyweight division has ever been. The likes of Dubois and AJ are nowhere near the decent quality opponents of yesteryear, let alone the champions.

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Posted by syzlack <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=syzlack' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 21, 2025, 1:42 pm, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

The division was easily worse from 2002 to 2015.

Plus it was pretty weak from 1982 to 1990 Tyson aside.

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Posted by Crackers <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Crackers' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 20, 2025, 12:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

It’s the way you say it, like you just KNOW

Is it a Geordie thing?

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Not having that.

There hasn’t been a decent heavyweight division for nearly 30 years.

The people in the game are all saying the same thing about him.

You can’t use that as an argument for me- as he’s wellied them all hasn’t he?

So it’s not like he’s been struggling against them. His cruiserweight record speaks for itself as well as his amateur pedigree.

You definitely lost some dough on an Usyk fight Platts 🤣

You can either book me now or wait for Cliff Thorburn. But if Cliff Thorburn
goes AWOL you’re up slack alley.

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There hasn't, but this is the worst. It's like the Temu version.

He has, and it's no sleight on him, but it's not like Usain Bolt running 9.5 something and being way ahead of everyone else. It's fighting poor fighters and comparig that result to generations with much better opponents.

I thought he'd win all day, so no betting for me, as he's way above Dubois, and he did go to another level. But put him in with someone who may cause him problems, and perhaps he might not be the greatest.

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Posted by Boom94 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Boom94' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 21, 2025, 1:17 pm, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

Not disputing that mate.

I still think Lennox is the best I’ve seen.

Usyk is the best I’ve seen since him I’d say.

Just love watching him fight, he’s technically mesmerizing….

You can either book me now or wait for Cliff Thorburn. But if Cliff Thorburn
goes AWOL you’re up slack alley.

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Yeah, Lewis was something special. I've got no gripe with Usyk, I think he's an incredible warrior, very smart and technically superb. He must be a nightmare to face.

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European, world and Olympic gold medalist and the first male boxer in history to become three time undisputed champion in the four belt era.

Stitch that you world class greats. Yours, the greatest.

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Audley Harrison and Anthony Joshua were also Olympic champions. Just saying.

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The man is incredible.

Honestly, nobody’s going into bat for his opponents he’s walloped but Usyk- Fuxk me he’s unreal.

Imagine if he was a natural heavyweight!

You can either book me now or wait for Cliff Thorburn. But if Cliff Thorburn
goes AWOL you’re up slack alley.

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Thing is though people go on saying this era is rubbish etc but the likes of Fury absolutely schooled Klitschko who was unbeaten for over a decade etc so how long has this division been shite and is it actually shite or is it nostalgia from us miserable arl farts. Plus all these greats from years gone by, who did they fight in their first 6 heavyweight bouts. Tomato cans I imagine.

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Oh aye. Probably been two great eras of heavyweights in 60 years hasnt there…

Can’t just say X can’t be that good because he didn’t fight Y. Your eyes don’t deceive you when you watch him fight though do they?

You know you’re seeing something spectacular, footwork, variety of punches, angles, chin. The whole lot. Be a sad day when he jacks.

You can either book me now or wait for Cliff Thorburn. But if Cliff Thorburn
goes AWOL you’re up slack alley.

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Yup. His ability to not be there when his opponent throws a shot is incredible. There was one moment he was stuck in the corner, the next second he was out and facing Dubois before Dubois had a chance to even turn round.

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Posted by Billy H <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Billy+H' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 19, 2025, 11:44 pm, in reply to "Usyk…"

Amazing talent. I'm a big fan he always comes across as a humble man but what a talent. Definitely up in the top twenty all time greats when you look at his achievements.

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Posted by Chris85 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Chris85' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 19, 2025, 11:41 pm, in reply to "Usyk…"

Beat every heavyweight here twice on their own patch, an he’s a cruiserweight. A humble superstar, a joy to watch and likeable. Really wanted Dubois to do it tonight but Usyk is in a class of his own.

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Posted by Billy H <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Billy+H' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 19, 2025, 11:48 pm, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

Agree with almost all your post. I think it shows how poor the english heavy weight division really is. I still wouldn't get in the ring with them and Usyk I do not attempt to take anything away from him.

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Posted by Boom94 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Boom94' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 19, 2025, 11:57 pm, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

He cleaned up at cruiserweight as well as his impeccable amateur record.

Hes beaten the best out there at heavyweight, twice and comfortably.

He’s incredible

You can either book me now or wait for Cliff Thorburn. But if Cliff Thorburn
goes AWOL you’re up slack alley.

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Posted by Billy H <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Billy+H' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 20, 2025, 12:07 am, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

You can only beat what is in front of you. I love Usyk on two counts* 1 he is an amazing boxer 2 he is a humble human being. I think i said I'm aware of his talent. I may add Lennox Lewis is one pugalist closest to Ali.

* stand by my shout the brit heavy weight is not all that. Usyk keeps teaching them the Queensbury.

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Posted by Est-1878 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Est-1878' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 20, 2025, 12:14 am, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

I think Lewis and Tyson in their prime would swat him like a fly Russ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXI7i1rfM6I&pp=ygUTbmlnaHQgcHJvd2xlciBhYyBkYw%3D%3D

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Can't disagree. Tyson is/was an animal. Lewis was a proper pugalist. Loved the way he stood back after someone cracked him, shook his head and landed pure heavy combinations. I could be wrong, I'm not, he was the closest to Ali I recall but with more power.

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Posted by Bertram_Wooster <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Bertram_Wooster' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 20, 2025, 9:44 am, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

Tyson was a bully who knocked over a generation of ageing heavies and Bruno: every time he was in a genuine fight he lost.

Of course, we have to consider the fact that he destroyed himself with coke and booze in his prime and that destroyed him as a fighter. A shame he wasn't at full capacity when he fought Holyfield and Lewis as we would have a better idea of what he was truly capable of as a fighter.

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Posted by Chris85 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Chris85' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 19, 2025, 11:53 pm, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

Maybe but he’s still smaller than all of them an avoided any real trouble an in like tonight’s case dished it out himself. I think it’s remarkable. Parker next? We can end the British question then atleast.

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Joshua beat Parker though didn’t he….

The “English” shout is only a thing because they’ve beaten whatever else is out there have they.
Wilder, Parker etc…

You can either book me now or wait for Cliff Thorburn. But if Cliff Thorburn
goes AWOL you’re up slack alley.

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The most educated boxer since Lewis, never in Lewis league. Unless Parker is more than special, I know nothing of Parker, Usyk will do to him what he done tonight.

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Posted by Chris85 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Chris85' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 20, 2025, 12:15 am, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

I think he beats Parker aswell. I’d just rather see it than him beating Fury again. He’s just so good I stupidly thought tonight might have caused him problems, he was even better than the first fight!

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I think, apart from his absolute talent, is his absolute belivev in that ability. He is a monster and a gentleman if that makes sense.

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Posted by Tonytaxi1970 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Tonytaxi1970' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 20, 2025, 10:23 am, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

Smiling assassin.

The consumate professional.

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Dbl post.

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Posted by alonvacation <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=alonvacation' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 19, 2025, 11:46 pm, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

Top Twenty?
It's a toss up if he is one or two.

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Wow. How many world greats are you forgetting. Madness.

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Posted by Lizardo <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Lizardo' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 19, 2025, 10:46 pm, in reply to "Usyk…"

Brilliant isn't he

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Posted by Est-1878 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Est-1878' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 19, 2025, 11:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

Indeed he is but not an all time great yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXI7i1rfM6I&pp=ygUTbmlnaHQgcHJvd2xlciBhYyBkYw%3D%3D

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He absolutely is.

You can either book me now or wait for Cliff Thorburn. But if Cliff Thorburn
goes AWOL you’re up slack alley.

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Don't get me wrong

I think he is a pugilist of the highest order and incredibly skilfull but after 24 fights and 15KOs these figures are to low to yet be considered to be called an all time great

IMO of course etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXI7i1rfM6I&pp=ygUTbmlnaHQgcHJvd2xlciBhYyBkYw%3D%3D

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His amateur record is incredible.

How many of those fights have been world title fights?

He’s definitely an all time great….

You can either book me now or wait for Cliff Thorburn. But if Cliff Thorburn
goes AWOL you’re up slack alley.

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13 - from 24 fights

You can either book me now or wait for Cliff Thorburn. But if Cliff Thorburn
goes AWOL you’re up slack alley.

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Thanks for the stats

I was looking it up to reply to you !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXI7i1rfM6I&pp=ygUTbmlnaHQgcHJvd2xlciBhYyBkYw%3D%3D

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Haha I knew he was in world title fights at heavyweight in no time….

He’s brilliant, just enjoy him whilst he’s around.

Would hate him to carry on too long now though. Those names he shouted out at the end won’t lay a glove on him.

There’s nothing left to do currently now for him.

Parker maybe, but Joshua heat him. Chisora? Kin hell. And who wants to see fury get his arse handed to him a third time?

You can either book me now or wait for Cliff Thorburn. But if Cliff Thorburn
goes AWOL you’re up slack alley.

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Posted by Hibbo28 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Hibbo28' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 19, 2025, 10:43 pm, in reply to "Usyk…"

He's unbelievably good. He's basically a big cruiserweight totally dominating the heavyweight division. Beat Joshua, Fury and Dubois twice and never looked troubled.

"It might not be the easiest job but it's the best job"

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He’s a monster. Just such a great boxer.

1=20

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Posted by JonahEFC20 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=JonahEFC20' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 19, 2025, 10:42 pm, in reply to "Usyk…"

One of the best ever.

A fantastic fighter and an equally great bloke it seems.

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Posted by Chinaski <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Chinaski' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 19, 2025, 10:42 pm, in reply to "Usyk…"

Got it all and hard as nails

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Posted by Obrima3 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Obrima3' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 19, 2025, 10:42 pm, in reply to "Usyk…"

Best I've ever seen.

Formerly obrima2

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Posted by Crackers <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Crackers' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 19, 2025, 10:41 pm, in reply to "Usyk…"

Cruise control

Dubios wanted none of that, after round 2 he realised he had absolutely no chance

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Posted by Toe_bunger <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Toe_bunger' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 19, 2025, 10:41 pm, in reply to "Usyk…"

Some left hook to finish

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Posted by shangri-la <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=shangri-la' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 19, 2025, 10:41 pm, in reply to "Usyk…"

Brilliant

Completely outclassed Dubois there

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He's fantastic, but this is a particularly poor generation of heavyweights.

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Not just generational. Better than Ali.
The GOAT.

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Posted by drexxxler <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=drexxxler' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 19, 2025, 11:02 pm, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

He’s cool

He wouldn’t beat Lewis

He’s no Ali

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No point comparing generations really as it’s impossible to say….

His whole career is just unbelievable, a genuinely incredible boxer.

Lewis is the best heavyweight I’ve seen though, he still is.

Usyk Holyfield at Cruiserweight would be a good watch…:

You can either book me now or wait for Cliff Thorburn. But if Cliff Thorburn
goes AWOL you’re up slack alley.

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see below.
at his age comparatively, he wipes the floor with Ali.

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Posted by santo_1878 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=santo_1878' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 20, 2025, 7:08 am, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

Jesus Christ well that's not rocket science is it, given that 38 year old Ali, an Ali who through his own machismo and showmanship allowed fearsomely powerful men to pummell him for a decade as a strategy, was utterly washed up when he fought Larry Holmes and we all saw how that went. If you're using that as any kind of barometer that Usyk was better than Muhammad Ali just because you're all hyped up after watching him beat the pudding who beat the pudding, then i despair.

I'm taking nothing away from how good Usyk is, i like the fella alot and he's a fabulous example of how a champion should be and behave, and clearly the best of his era which is all you can be - but lay off the crack pipe with the Ali comparisons please.

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What about after 24 fights each or 60 fights each

I’ll probably give you usyk after 60 fights

Ali usyk both 24 fights in .. Ali miles too fast for him

Ali / Maradona/ senna / Dean ……these will never be bettered

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No 'Torvill and...'??

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Not even Pearl &

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Posted by benefitfraudster <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=benefitfraudster' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 19, 2025, 11:25 pm, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

Mike Dean was a shit referee.

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Posted by NLB2 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=NLB2' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 19, 2025, 10:45 pm, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

👀

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Ali beat Frasier, Foreman, Norton, Sonny Liston among others.

Usyk has beat one decent heavyweight.

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Posted by joemul <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=joemul' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 19, 2025, 10:57 pm, in reply to "Re: Usyk…"

Tbf they were all comparable fighting weight to what Usyk fights at. Top heavyweights these days are massive co pared to then.

Foreman was pretty much the same weight vs Ali as Usyk was tonight.

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Fair point, but Foreman is one of the hardest punchers the world has even seen, lower weight or not.

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Fury and Joshua are proper heavyweights and a 6ft 8 boxer with a massive weight differential who is good on his feet was picked apart whilst a 6ft 4 boxer with a concussive punch power was made to look average and I think Usyk did for him (maybe Ruiz),and he beat them both twice. Once Usyk has gone, Dubois will rule the division and he has beaten him twice. I think he would have worked out Ali. At 38 and that jab is rapid. Super skilled.

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I think he's fantastic, but this is a piss-poor generation of heavyweights: Joshua has fuck all chin or heart, Dubois is a good fighter who had an incredible run of results which he won't repeat.

Fury is the only class operator he's faced at this level and he was admittedly very impressive.

Ali beat every one of the greatest generation of heavyweights, including Frasier in probably the most brutal fight the division has ever seen, and unlike this lot had lightning fast hands and feet as well as an unbreakable chin.

It's a hypothetical and nothing more, but Ali was a one off.

I'd also argue that Lewis at his best would have jabbed his head off, but that's a close run thing.

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I am willing to concur, but Usyk has beaten three different types of fighters with ease.
I love Ali, for so much more than boxing (his talk, his morality)and his performance v Cleveland Williams is the best ever but he was the same age as Usyk when he lost to Holmes and Berbick.
Usyk is still absolutely at the top.
So kind of agreeing, but also not!

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Usyk does live well, mind whereas Ali must have walloped half the Northern hemisphere.

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Ali was the most gifted, just naturally brilliant.

Usyk is a technician.

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