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William Dawe Bastardy bonds

Posted by Anne Mac on 23/9/2021, 10:03 am

Hello everyone,

Hope you can help me. Years ago I bought some printouts for the Dawe name from the DFHS.

I am interested to know if I can find out anymore information regarding Bastardy-Quarter Sessions-Returns of Affiliation Order 1853. It was for Mother Elizabeth Brock Putative father William Dawe of the Elder division of Holsworthy summon 22/11/1853 Petty Sessions on 15/12/1853 Result Order made.
Any help would be most appreciated

Anne

Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds

Posted by Peter Selley on 24/9/2021, 6:49 pm, in reply to "William Dawe Bastardy bonds"

Not answering your question, Anne, you might like to look into Drusilla BROCK, baptised 15 Nov 1852 at Bradford, (illegitimate) daughter of Elizabeth BROCK, servant, of Bradford. Perhaps you already have. (Baptism record available on FMP.)

Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds

Posted by Anne Mac on 25/9/2021, 7:42 am, in reply to "Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds"

Hi Peter,
Yes that is the child in question. I have information regarding Druscilla but none regarding her father whom I believe to be William Dawe. Thankyou for your help.

Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds

Posted by Chris Lang on 24/9/2021, 9:40 am, in reply to "William Dawe Bastardy bonds"

The original record is held by Devon Heritage Centre in Exeter, if you can't visit to view then they might be able to supply a copy of the record for a fee. The Archive reference is QS16/10/7 held in the Quarter Session records. It might be worth checking newspapers to see if any mention of the case is shown in them, there are many available covering the area on Findmypast, British Newspaper Archive or again by visiting Devon Heritage Centre https://swheritage.org.uk/devon-archives/visit/devon-heritage-centre/

Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds

Posted by Anne Mac on 25/9/2021, 7:45 am, in reply to "Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds"

Thankyou Chris,
I will look into those records. Unfortunately unable to visit as living in Western Australia but will see if I am able to do thru email. Will have a look at newspapers archives too. Thankyou for your help
Anne

Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds

Posted by Judith on 25/9/2021, 1:42 pm, in reply to "Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds"

Drusilla, was in the workhouse in Holsworthy in 1861 She married Edward Matthias.1891 census lists a John Brock,18 described as servant, but listed at top of children with them.
Found him on census with Ann Brock and her husband James Hearn, in 1881, described as nephew aged 8 together with William Brock7. (Both reg Holsworthy no fathers name listed), think he was great nephew, Ann must have been sister of Elizabeth, born 1823 app.

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Posted by Anne Mac on 26/9/2021, 1:09 am, in reply to "Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds"

Thanks Judith,
I didnt have that 1881 census details which proves Ann was sister to Elizabeth.
I have numerous DNA matches (4-6th cousins) with Drusillas ancestors which points in the direction that William Daw is part of my Daw family. I am just struggling to find the part of the puzzle that fits my 2xGt grandfather Richard Dawe to William Daw .
Anne

Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds

Posted by Anne Mac on 26/9/2021, 10:00 am, in reply to "Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds"

I have been unable to find a baptism for Richard so I have been unable to find the next generation back.
I have a probable sister in Frances Dawe who married Richard Cock . I have DNA matches with their descendants.
Anne

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Posted by Judith on 26/9/2021, 8:10 am, in reply to "Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds"

I used the census to look up the marriage of Ann, to establish that she was a Brock, her age on census led me to believe she was sister of Elizabeth. When was Richard Dawe Born?

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Posted by Anne Mac on 26/9/2021, 9:56 am, in reply to "Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds"

Hi Judith,
Richard Dawe was born approx 1799 . He only appears in the 1841 census so no specific birth location and then
he dies 1849 in Tavistock .

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Posted by Vic on 26/9/2021, 5:47 pm, in reply to "Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds"

Family search has the baptism of a Richard Dawe,the son of John and Elizabeth, at Bridestowe on 12 May 1799.
A possibility, but Dawe is quite a common name in West Devon.

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Posted by Anne Mac on 27/9/2021, 12:27 am, in reply to "Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds"

Thanks Vic,

That is a possibility. Both the William and Frances Dawe I am looking at are both born Halwill , Holsworthy,Black Torrington areas and Williams Baptism has parents as John and Elizabeth. Would Bridestowe be too far . I will continue to search.
Thanks for your help.

Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds

Posted by Vic on 27/9/2021, 8:55 am, in reply to "Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds"

Bridestowe to Halwill 10 miles, so within the range of possibility. I would be hoping for additional evidence in support. The names John and Elizabeth not distinctive enough to be conclusive.

The 1849 Tavistock death matches a 1799 birth but how did you determine 1799 as a possible year of birth? Where was "your" Richard living in 1841?

Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds

Posted by Anne Mac on 27/9/2021, 9:47 am, in reply to "Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds"

Richard Dawe dies 09/06/1849 Elbow Lane Tavistock aged 50 (certificate held) witness Fanny Cock Kilworthy Lane Tavistock -this is who I think is his sister altho not stated on death certificate.
In 1841 Richard living Lower Brook St Tavistock with wife Mary, children Eliabeth,Samuel Eliza and Richard.I have Richard birth cert 14/08/1839 Brook St Tavistock . Mother Mary Watkins.

In 1851 Mary Dawe 50 living Elbow Lane.

Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds

Posted by Judith on 3/10/2021, 2:32 pm, in reply to "Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds"

Fanny Cock Of Kilworthy Lane on census in 1861 as Cox, says she was Born Black Torrington.
There is a tree on Ancestry which has children of Richard and Mary, Fanny born 1829, William born 1821, (could this be the bastardy order one?) Elizabeth 1823 Betsey born 1820 died 1823 and Grace born 1816. Has links to criminal records, but not sure they are correct, as the Richard Dawe they have was transported I think, if you read the page correctly. Are you aware of these names?

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Posted by Anne Mac on 4/10/2021, 1:23 am, in reply to "Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds"

Hi Judith,
The tree you are looking at on Ancestry may be mine.
Yes the thought had crossed me that the William son of Richard and Mary could be the father of Drusilla Brock b 1852 but he married in 1853 ( which I know means nothing) . I have DNA matches with ancestors of this William Dawe. i have been in contact with 1 match to try to ascertain if they have matches with Drusilla in them and how many cms but they have been unable to help.
I will keep chipping away at this thankyou for helping.

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Posted by Judith on 2/10/2021, 2:09 pm, in reply to "Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds"

I looked at 1841 census, and Eliza 5 and Richard 1 are listed as children of Eawary Eddy, not Daw, even though living in same household. am wondering if they were grandchildren of Richard and Mary? How did you link them to the Daw family?
Samuel joined the Navy and did not appear to marry

Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds

Posted by Anne Mac on 3/10/2021, 11:56 am, in reply to "Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds"

Hi Judith,
Thanks for still looking for my Dawe family.

Yes that is them in the 1841 census. Eliza is my direct ancestor - my 2 x Gt Grandmother . I have numerous certificates tying her to Richard and Mary as their daughter. Richard - I have his birth certificate stating Mary Watkins as his mother.
I just thought they had listed Eavery Eddy in the wrong order he should have gone at the end of the household.
Anne

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Posted by Judith on 7/10/2021, 8:20 am, in reply to "Re: William Dawe Bastardy bonds"

found the marriage of Richard Dawe, and Mary Watkins 23rd April 1816, he was described as a sojourner, which means he was not born there, she was married with consent from parents, one of the witnesses was Wm Watkins, (father?). Would suggest you check adjacent parishes for birth of Richard, he may have been a miner, lots in that area. According to the genuki page Lamerton not on i.g.i.(back in 1993)
Hope this helps

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