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102.3 W272DQ to get bigger signal

Posted by kodama on August 15, 2020, 3:54 pm

Just happened as of last month. Will there be complaints from people trying to listen to WXLC?

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Posted by Jeremy Andrews on August 15, 2020, 4:06 pm, in reply to "102.3 W272DQ to get bigger signal"

I’m pretty sure they’ll get enough complaints from both Alpha and Crawford before this even gets on the air

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Posted by Jeremy Andrews on August 15, 2020, 4:07 pm, in reply to "Re: 102.3 W272DQ to get bigger signal"

Literally wouldn’t even be possible. Look at the southern edge of that map and compare it with WYCA

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Posted by WYTZZ95FM on August 15, 2020, 4:07 pm, in reply to "102.3 W272DQ to get bigger signal"

Negative. That is an old CP that looks like it got extended. Like the AM CP they have on file, neither signal upgrade have been acted on. It is widely reported the CP is applied for if and when they sell it will increase the value of the license so the new owner can build out.

Z

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Posted by Stever on August 15, 2020, 7:08 pm, in reply to "Re: 102.3 W272DQ to get bigger signal"

The Radio Locator map is incorrect. Their previous CP went un-built and they just filed another application and had it granted for the translator on 102.3. The new CP is exactly the same highly directional signal they previously had approved. The Radio Locator map shows a non-directional signal which is an error. If you go into the FCC database you can see the actual pattern. Nowhere near the coverage as indicated on the incorrect map which is why they have not been able to sell it.

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Posted by AM Oldies 1530 on August 17, 2020, 10:05 pm, in reply to "Re: 102.3 W272DQ to get bigger signal"

I have difficulty picking getting this station near 95th and the Tri-State. WYCA comes in better where I'm at. I get AM 1530 better, better than most people think. I don't think the FCC would approved this anyway. Not a good frequency for that kind of signal reach, especially with two other stations in the way.

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Posted by AM Oldies 1530 on August 17, 2020, 10:06 pm, in reply to "Re: 102.3 W272DQ to get bigger signal"

I have difficulty getting this station near 95th and the Tri-State. WYCA comes in better where I'm at. I get AM 1530 better, better than most people think. I don't think the FCC would approved this anyway. Not a good frequency for that kind of signal reach, especially with two other stations in the way.

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Posted by Going once, Going twice...... on August 17, 2020, 10:14 pm, in reply to "Re: 102.3 W272DQ to get bigger signal"

The FCC did approve the CP. You didn't understand it AM Oldies!

Re: 102.3 W272DQ to get bigger signal

Posted by Stever on August 17, 2020, 10:37 pm, in reply to "Re: 102.3 W272DQ to get bigger signal"

Correct, they did approve a CP, but it was the one previously submitted which is highly directional, not the one on Radio Locator. If someone is motivated enough they could report it to Radio Locator and they will fix it.

Technically they did not get an extension of the previous CP, that CP expired and they immediately filed a new app using the same specs. They did the same thing with their unbuilt AM1530 CP. They have no money to build either CP. Someone in Michigan with a 1530 station even filed an objection with the FCC when Elmhurst requested the AM1530 4kw CP again after the first one expired, but the commission granted it anyway.

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Posted by PhilJSmith on August 17, 2020, 11:15 pm, in reply to "Re: 102.3 W272DQ to get bigger signal"

There is a significant difference in the resubmitted app. Both are for 99W and directional pattern is similar, but the transmit height for the CP granted 2020-07-17 is 443m AGL, and the old CP from 2017-06-27 is 360m AGL. That’s a respectable boost. The contour map shows the signal falling short of Elmhurst, but I would be surprised if 99W @ 443m with all the wattage channeled in one direction doesn’t blast past I-294.

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Posted by PhilJSmith on August 17, 2020, 11:19 pm, in reply to "Re: 102.3 W272DQ to get bigger signal"

But then... someone has to pay $$$ to move the TX to Sears/Willis — I have no clue what that could cost but I’m sure it isn’t pocket change.

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Posted by Stever on August 17, 2020, 11:49 pm, in reply to "Re: 102.3 W272DQ to get bigger signal"

PhilJSmith, you are correct in that it is not completely identical, good catch. The tight directional pattern is almost identical, the difference is it appears they have moved from Trump Tower on the original CP to Sears/Willis Tower, I believe, on the newest CP. They have no money to be on either. It is extremely expensive to rent antenna space on those buildings.

The hope has always been for them to find someone to purchase the CP and the AM station. In October, they are no longer required to use the translator for their AM signal so in theory it will be easier to sell. But, it is still a very limited signal and the cost just to operate it makes it highly unlikely to attract a buyer.

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Posted by Watts on August 18, 2020, 3:32 pm, in reply to "Re: 102.3 W272DQ to get bigger signal"

"Translator signal maps" don't ever seem to be accurate. They always bleed over much farther causing damage to what used to be typically very listenable radio stations / frequencies. So now there are miles and miles of garbage before one of the competing signals finally wins out, depending on what direction you are going. Progress.

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Posted by Yeah on August 18, 2020, 3:53 pm, in reply to "Re: 102.3 W272DQ to get bigger signal"

In a car but that is usually not a problem inside a house. If you can hear any of the signals in a house.

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Posted by Elwood on August 18, 2020, 5:27 pm, in reply to "Re: 102.3 W272DQ to get bigger signal"

Here's the coverage map from fccdata:

https://fccdata.org/?facid=&call=W272DQ&ccode=1&city=&state=&country=US&zip=&arn=&party=&lmspf=&lmspl=&party_type=LICEN&latd=&lond=&lang=en

Re: 102.3 W272DQ to get bigger signal

Posted by Watts on August 18, 2020, 6:34 pm, in reply to "Re: 102.3 W272DQ to get bigger signal"

Which date?

When I click on 7/17/2020, advanced coverage map, it comes up as non-directional. "Regular coverage map" does come back as directional. ?!?

Other entries go back to 2017, 2016, and 2013.

In reality, who's really listening to this station on AM or FM?

Eventually, it might become who's really listening to AM or FM in general? Ask most teenagers about "radio" and you get the look of death...

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Posted by WYTZZ95FM on August 18, 2020, 7:12 pm, in reply to "Re: 102.3 W272DQ to get bigger signal"

Red is the new app contours. Blue is the old app contours.

Z

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