one other statement I think can be misintrepeted is that ecollars are not good communicators with pups, that depends highly on what you are trying to communicate, how you use them, and who is using them...
many people use ecollars to communicate with young pups, just none that I know use them to stop biting.
E-Dog - 2012 WPBTCA National Championships
The time when screech owls and Bandogges howl and spirits walk and ghosts break up their graves.
Act I, Scene IV of William Shakespeare's "King Henry VI"