Once again Mr. Kent to the rescue thanks again for the info. Now another question for you. Once when I was home on leave Richard was visiting from Detriot and he ask if they still had "right arm and left arm rates" of coures my answer was no since all stripes rate badges and evan hash marks were left arm.From looking at some old photos it looks like right arm was for deck forces and left was for engineering or below deck. Am I right on this?