Your comment provided some very useful and interesting information, thank you for taking the time to write that up.
I’m wondering if you have opinions of some of the other China-based manufacturers of 3d-printed enhancement parts? While I have definitely noticed some serious quality issues with projects from SSModel (in their various guises), my experiences with some of the other manufacturers has been better.
In particular, 3D printed parts I’ve purchased that were branded as Bunker Studio/Heavy Hobby or Five Star/Seed Models (my impression is that these two pairs are each multiple labels for a single manufacturer), Gangoun, and even Paddle Wheel Studio have presented relatively few quality issues thus far. Some specific pieces such as Gangoun’s 1/700 ww2 shipboard floatplane line and the the small caliber AA guns from Bunker Studio/Heavy Hobby almost seem comparable in quality and detail to the products from some of the better domestic manufacturers.
For what it’s worth, I prefer to spend my limited budget with folks who actually care about the hobby rather than individuals who commit IP theft for a quick buck. I’m wondering if any of these other Chinese vendors fit the bill? Previous Message
Hi Robert,
From what I've seen of these kits, having a couple myself, is that to get just one printer capable of the size of these finished prints would cost in excess of $20K. The printers being used for these kits would have to be rapid prototyping printers, since they are the only ones I've found to have a z-axis height of at least 20 inches. These kits are printed bottom to top, so height is the major limiting factor. Also, looking at what I've received, the layers are about .03mm thick, so to get a cost effective product at that resolution, it can't be a common consumer printer, since a 6 inch tall print at this resolution takes my printers at least 12-14 hours to complete. Unless time cost is not an issue (which I believe is the case), to print on a scale and volume which it seems they are doing, a printer you or I could afford is not being used. My belief is that these are being made on idle rapid prototyping printers, which is why the cost for the buyer is so low. Somebody figured out making any money is better than making no money.
As for the tariffs, I'm enjoying the gnashing of teeth and crocodile tears. Buyers of these cheap kits, most of which are .OBJ files ripped out of World of Warships, are now having to pay the same tariffs that overseas (for me) customers have to pay for my kits. I've been dealing with European VAT and tariffs for years, so nothing leaves here without being undervalued on a customs form. In fact, I had one Chinese customer tell me he had to pay his government 125% of what he paid me just to get his kit. Made me want to form my own government...
And I mentioned cheap kits above. Why did I do that? If you go to my home page, you'll see a location tracker. I've been watching that, and you would be amazed how many pings I get from a certain location in China, which also happens to be the same location that MRY-SFW, ssmodel-wang, and alfahobbyuk all are located. Hint: They are all SSModel... Yet, no sales are going to that location. Weird...
I also mention the ripping from World of Warships. How do I know this is happening? Well, I bought the SSModel Cachalot kit, and the .OBJ file that was on another website (payment went to China, BTW...). When I compared the kit to the file, they are exactly the same, including the errors. My kit of the Cuttlefish (the sister boat) took a month to draw from scratch, and if the Cachalot had been the same, there are certain details that would have been found that would have been included in the Cachalot kit that are not there, as well as the incorrect details that are. I'll also mention that the first attempt to get the kit resulted in getting Cachalot parts with a ruptured HMS Thrasher hull that caused printer resin to be all over everything. When the correct part arrived, I found the kit was not 1/350 scale, but rather 1/309 scale. So math is also an issue with these kits.
So, in conclusion, here's my observations, as requested. This is not anything close to a viable, long term business formula. It's utilizing idle rapid prototyping equipment to make the product. It uses files taken from a game to produce it's product. For the most part, parts produced through this method have uncured resin inside, since they are hollow, and will eventually rupture due to the degassing of the resin. Since these kits are not made by people who are modelers, and understand how models are to be made, the end result, either at the time of receipt or sometime in the future, is this. These are exercises in what 3D printing can do. The Wyoming kit I have has the bridge printed as ONE part. Three decks and the cage mast. You can't paint it, it's got a big flaw in one on the sides making it unusable, and the lowest deckhouse is hollow with no venting holes, meaning there's uncured resin inside which will eventually cause the part to rupture. You can shake it and hear resin sloshing around. The only way this becomes viable is for someone who has knowledge of not only 3D printing, but also of how models are made, and isn't using idle equipment which cold either go back into service for their intended work, or be repossessed. Plus, they better have a very deep pocket for the start up costs.
I'm not going to even get into the lack of instructions, photoetch or decals...
Jon Previous Message
As someone who has (overall) had good to excellent results with the 1/350 scale 3D-printed kits from China (I received an excellent USS Marblehead last month), I'm curious as to what sort of engineering (let alone design research) would be needed to set up a factory to build these kits in the USA. Perhaps Jon Warneke at Iron Shipwrights could contribute some info on this subject. Previous Message
Hello All,
I've noticed that some but not all vendors of 3D-printed ship model kits out of China are quoting shipping from $200 to $1,000. An example is some (at least) SSModel kits in 1/700 or 1/350.
Anyone have any information on this? I wonder if it has to do with the tariffs due to go into effect May 2nd. And no, I haven't asked one of the vendors yet.
Thanks,
Art
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