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Posted by Ralph Wood on March 14, 2025, 16:50:41, in reply to "So everything is just fine. Not to worry!!! MAGA forever. Time will tell. n/t"
Yes, exactly. Time will tell. It will sort out. I will wait and see, and don't plan to spend the intervening time calling everyone doofusses, nor unnecessarily upsetting the board with the off-topic subject. You're certainly free to proceed otherwise.
Meantime, To the Glory of Byzantium!
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So, what we appear to have demonstrated is what I wrote in another thread...you can show facts to a group of people, and they will not all reach the same conclusion. I disagree with you. These tariffs both continued and added to those first imposed in the previous administration. If everything "that man" does is horrible, why were his policies not only continued, but amplified? I keep reading from one side that everything is the fault of the other. Then, I see that side do nothing to undo them, and in this particular case, they even increased them (after a study, of course) yet attribute anything bad to "who was here before." I find hypocrisy in that approach.
So, we disagree, even when seeing the same facts. In an earlier time, this was okay. It is normal. Now, however, this is cause for both sides to call each other ignorant, disgusting doofusses. And that is normal, too, in societies in decline and fall. Troubled times certainly inflame our passions. Should be perfectly understandable, but not when emotions blot understanding out.
I have no problem at all agreeing to disagree with you, wishing you well, and parting in good spirits and the hope that our next discussion is about some pleasant model topic. Previous Message
other than gratifying a steaming butthole's ego. i don't see "hypocrisy" here. End discussion. These things are just distractions from the basic destruction that began a little over 40 years ago. Previous Message
One of the links I have already provided in this thread. Previous Message Previous Message
Not from AI sources:
"USTR will implement President Biden's call for higher tariffs on China by tripling the current Section 301 tariffs applied to Chinese steel and aluminum products"
"Imports of Chinese steel and aluminum are also subject to Section 232 tariffs of 25% and 10%, respectively. Combining the Section 232 tariffs with the increased Section 301 tariffs will yield average tariff rates of around 47.5% for steel products and of around 32.5% for aluminum products."
"As the United States has raised tariffs on Chinese steel and aluminum relative to tariff levels on other countries, concerns have grown that Chinese produced products may be transshipped through countries like Mexico to avoid the tariffs. The concern has led to a long running dispute between the United States and Mexico, with USTR pressuring Mexico to adopt stronger trade controls and higher tariffs to prevent transshipment."
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Well, Felix, I started where I usually do on looking into an answer...I got an AI overview of the subject. From the wording of the first paragraph, it appears they should but are not required to. This was to have been the first step into a whole lot of reading until I got to the part where the Biden administration was considering a huge tariff on steel. (Or maybe tripling is not huge? Let's see...1/3 is not small, it's big. But, that does not mean tripling something makes it big, does it? I get so confused. It's hard when you're clueless.) It seems I am a moronic Trumper who knows nothing about anything, but I certainly know hypocricy when I see it, and I see it so much lately.
AI Overview:
"The US Navy should prioritize using domestically produced steel in its shipbuilding programs to bolster the domestic steel industry and ensure national security, addressing concerns about reliance on foreign suppliers and potential supply chain disruptions.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
National Security Concerns:
Relying heavily on foreign steel for shipbuilding creates vulnerabilities, especially in times of geopolitical instability or conflict. By ensuring a domestic steel supply chain, the US Navy can maintain control over its shipbuilding capabilities and reduce dependence on potentially unreliable foreign sources.
Economic Benefits:
Supporting the domestic steel industry through shipbuilding contracts creates jobs and stimulates economic activity in the US. This can help revitalize the American steel industry and ensure its long-term viability.
Supply Chain Resilience:
The US shipbuilding industry has faced challenges in meeting the Navy's needs, including workforce shortages and delays in construction. By prioritizing domestic steel, the Navy can help ensure a more reliable and resilient supply chain, reducing the risk of project delays and cost overruns.
Current Actions:
The Biden-Harris administration is taking steps to support American steel manufacturing and shipbuilding, including considering tripling the existing 301 tariff rate on Chinese steel and aluminum.
Historical Context:
The US Navy has a history of using steel in its shipbuilding, with the "ABCD ships" of the late 1800s being a key example of the transition to steel warships.
Modern Challenges:
The Navy's aging fleet and the need to build new ships face challenges, including inadequate funding, industry capacity issues, and workforce shortages.
Future Focus:
The Navy is investing in its public shipyard infrastructure and exploring new manufacturing technologies to improve efficiency and capacity.
Industry Partnerships:
The Navy is working with industry partners to strengthen the shipbuilding industrial base and address supply chain challenges.
Examples of Navy Shipbuilders:
Huntington Ingalls Industries (HII) is the largest military shipbuilding company in the United States. Ingalls Shipbuilding, a division of HII, is a major supplier of US Navy surface combatants." Previous Message
Certainly in Federal dollar infrastructure projects there is Buy American regarding steel and/or AIS requirement. Previous Message
You do enjoy yelling, "THEATRE!" at a crowded fire. And when you do this nonsense, I have the opportunity to go off and read things, time permitting, which--being self employed--is usually "often enough." Having done some of that, I can tell you that we import only about 1/3 of our steel. Aluminum is another story. None of which has any bearing at all on the difficulties the Navy is having producing ships on schedule. They would fail at that even without the tariffs. So, you are basically connecting dots that don't have any association, purely for your own political fetishes. The fact that you have some freakish obsession with the man has me wondering about your mental well being, but also provides a measure of entertainment value to the more detached portions of my nature. There is a strange fascination to watching someone go over the edge. Indeed...theatre at a crowded fire. Previous Message
THEnaval aquisition chief says US shipbuilding is around 4 years behind schedule, and over priced ,in responce rump says we must buid very fast very soon and to cut costs,
so he applies tarifs of 25% or is it 50% or ???? to steel and aluminium imports,
and this despite a $6 billion investment in shipbuilding since 2014 and another $12 billion promised in next 4 years.whicch nobody knows where it has gone and if it has helped, perhaps a job for musk that could do some good, even if it is a sudden ship X shipard
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