I first met Bob Cressman at NARA, and then at NHHC on research trips there. We have helped each other out with photos I had scanned that he could use in DANFS updates or one of his historical writings. And he could point me to images that NHHC has (Bob is head of Textual Records and others are in charge of photos (formerly Chuck Haberlein), but the textual records for individual ships they have often includes photos not found in Photo Collection).
Yes I have found errors in write-ups for those ships I have researched in detail (primarily FLETCHER class). Sometime ago, a guy who dives on wrecks was trying to ID a FLETCHER sunk off San Clemente Island. It wasn't obvious or easy to find in DANFS or other references, because many target ships have been sunk there. I helped to ID via configurations and research into their fates. Researching fates of USN ships isn't easy, because Bob Cressman told me the USN doesn't track ships after they have been struck. Ships designated as targets can be "afloat" for years before being sunk. The units (Pacific and Atlantic) that utilize the targets have data, but many times the targets were the object of classified weapons testing. Anyway, in the course of this digging, I spotted a few errors for destroyers data, wrong dates for launch, commission, etc. I would forward updates to Bob as I found them to be updated in DANFS.
As Tracy said, Bob and others at NHHC have been updating the 1,000's of DANFS entries. Since Bob is a branch chief, he had others write the updated histories. One of Bob's good friends at NHHC was writing a lot of the better "new" histories. But, he died during the pandemic and Bob is writing more of them himself. This was one of the "tasks" he could do from home during the shutdown. Yes NHHC use History Reports, particularly for more recent ships (aka recent 1950's through 1970's and beyond), they use the annual history reports submitted by the ship to NHHC as a prime source. Some of these are better than others. For WWII era, documents like deck logs (NARA) and after action reports are utilized. The more famous ships get bigger write-ups and Bob has more knowledge about them.
DANFS just can't provide the total history of USN ships. But are a good thumbnail history. Previous Message
Rick,
Your quote from DANFS is formatted differently from what I read in the brown hardback DANFS books from the Government Printing Office, including Vol II: C-F, that was printed in 1963, reprint with corrections 1969. These books don't seem to have a specific author cited. I had thought that the online version was simply a copy from the old GPO books, but it sounds like many of you are citing a well-regarded author.
It sounds like you are quoting from a different book, or a website not so closely related to my books.
And as for my smart-aleck comments about the validity of wikipedia and DANFS, I absolutely stand behind the remark about wikipedia. As for DANFS, when I look into the notes about ships where I served, I recognize the format of "command history" that had to be submitted every year. Mercifully, I never got that assignment, but I do know that some of my shipmates submitted very, very casual information, signed off on by a busy CO. So I don't trust it as much as perhaps I should.
Rick Previous Message
Since it appears NO ONE thought to read DANFS.
Quote DANFS ... NOT a WIKI street knowledge
There have been FIVE ships in the USN named FRANKLIN;
1. 1776 Schooner
2. 1805-07 Brigantine
3. 1815-1852 Ship-of-the-Line
4. 1867-1915 Screw Frigate
5. 1944-64 CV-13
Franklin (Schooner)
1776
Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) was born in Boston but moved at an early age to Philadelphia where his countless talents and unlimited energies found expression in successful contributions as a statesman, diplomat, scientist, editor-author, and philosopher. During the Revolution he was appointed American Minister Plenipotentiary to the French Court enabling him to function also as the Navy's representative in Europe. He promoted the plan to bring the war to British shores, supporting Lambert Wickes' spectacular raids and enabling John Paul Jones to perform his daring feats by providing funds, attending to purchases and repairs, and determining questions of authority and discipline. His astute and visionary policies merit for him deserved recognition in the annals of the infant Navy as well as esteem as a founder of the United States. ( The first four ships of the name honor Benjamin Franklin; CV-13 perpetuated the names of specifically the ship-of-the-line and the frigate )
(Schooner: tonnage 60; armament 6 guns)
Franklin was originally a Marblehead fishing vessel fitted out by order of Colonel George Washington in 1775. She was part of the fleet of schooners under Commodore John Manley that captured numerous British vessels. She was returned to owner in 1776.
(Brigantine: tonnage 155; length 72'4"; beam 22'4"; complement 16; armament 8 guns)
The brigantine Franklin, built at Philadelphia in 1795, was captured by Tripolitan corsairs in 1802, and sold to the commercial agent of the Bey of Tunis. She was purchased on 27 April 1805 by Capt. James Barren at Trieste.
In June 1805, Franklin was ordered to Syracuse, Sicily, where she was placed in charge of Lt. Jacob Jones to accommodate officers seized from the frigate Philadelphia, and recently released from a Tripolitan prison. From July to September she served as storeship for the Mediterranean Squadron and on the 24th departed for the United States with General William Eaton, U.S. Navy Agent to the Barbary Powers, embarked.
Following an overhaul at the Washington [D.C.] Navy Yard she voyaged to New Orleans, La., with crew and supplies for that station. In December 1806 she carried a company of marines and munitions for the New Orleans station. There she was turned over to the Navy Agent for disposal and on 21 March 1807 was sold.
Updated, Robert J. Cressman
12 April 2021
Responses