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Posted by Graham Boak on February 24, 2021, 4:16:31, in reply to "Operation Paul and HMS Glorious"

Glorious was expected to pass through the Skaggerak and the Kattegat, past occupied Norway and Denmark and the German fleet's home waters, and up the lower Baltic to lay mines in the Gulf of Bothnia. After it had been illustrated that the RN could not survive in narrow waters under German air superiority?

Does this not strike you as downright daft? The story appears to lack credibility.

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Don't recall seeing this here before. The story hit the Times late last year, when so many of us were busy with other matters.
Briefly put, the contention of the story is that Glorious was not rushing back to Scapa to start a court-martial, but to facilitate the mining of Swedish iron ore ports in the Gulf of Bothnia.
Ben Barker, grandson of Ardent 's CO, makes his case here.
https://www.hmsglorious.com/
The paywalled Times article is a brief restatement of the above, with delighted reactions from D'Oyly-Hughes' children.
The most rational articles I can find are by Peter Hore, who has the expertise to evaluate the known facts and the reality of 1940.
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hore_(historian)]Peter Hore

The Fleet Air Arm and British Naval Operations
over Norway and Sweden: Part I –- Autumn of 1940 :
https://sjohistoriskasamfundet.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/fn68_a05.pdf
Operation Paul – the Fleet Air Arm attack on Luleå in 1940 :
https://sjohistoriskasamfundet.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/fn70_a04.pdf
Deputy PM Clement Attlee said that Churchill would come in with 100 ideas, and that 99 of them were useless, and one sheer genius. I think I know where this sits on that scale.

Re: Look at a map? - TJStoneman February 24, 2021, 4:27:54

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[quote] Glorious was expected to pass through the Skaggerak and the Kattegat, past occupied Norway and Denmark and the German fleet's home waters, and up the lower Baltic to lay mines in the Gulf of Bothnia. After it had been illustrated that the RN could not survive in narrow waters under German air superiority? Does this not strike you as downright daft? The story appears to lack credibility. [quote] Don't recall seeing this here before. The story hit the Times late last year, when so many of us were busy with other matters. Briefly put, the contention of the story is that Glorious was not rushing back to Scapa to start a court-martial, but to facilitate the mining of Swedish iron ore ports in the Gulf of Bothnia. Ben Barker, grandson of Ardent 's CO, makes his case here. https://www.hmsglorious.com/ The paywalled Times article is a brief restatement of the above, with delighted reactions from D'Oyly-Hughes' children. The most rational articles I can find are by Peter Hore, who has the expertise to evaluate the known facts and the reality of 1940. [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hore_(historian)]Peter Hore The Fleet Air Arm and British Naval Operations over Norway and Sweden: Part I –- Autumn of 1940 : https://sjohistoriskasamfundet.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/fn68_a05.pdf Operation Paul – the Fleet Air Arm attack on Luleå in 1940 : https://sjohistoriskasamfundet.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/fn70_a04.pdf Deputy PM Clement Attlee said that Churchill would come in with 100 ideas, and that 99 of them were useless, and one sheer genius. I think I know where this sits on that scale. [/quote] [/quote]

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