...Navsource. There is a picture of Livermore, the sixth image down the page that appears to be a peacetime shot, and I would think it post war, sometime in the late 1940's, when she was an NRT ship. See what you think.
I certainly am glad that this thread appeared. I looked into Livermore, and discovered she was moored at the Indian Head naval weapons facility in the early to mid 1950's. I had heard way back then when I was a kid that there was a DD down there but never knew its name until now
This is a tricky question for a couple of reasons. The "Neutrality Patrols" actually started in 1939-40 after the war in Europe started. Initially it was focused on USA territorial waters to ensure no belligerents were using our waters to "wage" war. In 1941 the USA started to "more actively" aligning itself with the UK.
From DANFS entry for USS LIVERMORE (DD-429), see her activities during 1941. It appears that she started "Neutrality Patrol" duties on 19 April 1941.
April 1941 was roughly when the USN started to apply the early camo schemes, which started out for most destroyers as Ms 1. However, the King Board mods that among other things, removed the high searchlight tower and added additional 50-cal MGs, lagged behind applying the new camo. For USS LIVERMORE, she would have been modified with four 5-in guns, ten torpedo tubes and twelve 50-cal MGs.
Decisions on the King Board Mods for destroyers lagged behind the heavier units, and were not finalized until early in 1941. The near-sisters of the BENSON-GLEAVES dual classes, the SIMS class, started to be upgraded with the King Board AA upgrades in March 1941. Even then, the first batch of SIMS class units to be modified at ChNY, NorNY, and NYNY were panned as not having enough top weight removed. The second batch of SIMS class units to be modified at BosNY and NorNY (plus maybe other yards) in July 1941, had a revised design to their upgrade.
For the newer BENSON-GLEAVES, many of which were still being completed or still in their first year of shakedown, the earliest record I have of any getting the AA upgrades was in May-June 1941. I have not dug into USS LIVERMORE's specific BuShips records at NARA to nail down just "WHEN" she had her upgrades done. Plus, unlike other units, there are no yard photos available of her "post-upgrade" mod, that I have come across. But, from looking at her DANFS record, a good estimate "guess" is that the roughly one month period she was at Boston Navy Yard ... 15 June into early July 1941 ... would seem to be the most likely period for her upgrade to occur. (DesDiv 21 sister USS KEARNY was modified at ChNY in this time frame. Most times, mod work at this time was done by the Home Yard, which for LIVERMORE would have been Boston and KEARNY at NYNY) The only other period of time I see available for her to be modified, is at ChNY in mid-March 1941, but that is pretty early, far earlier than any of the other known BENSON-GLEAVES being upgraded. Plus, this is one of the few periods I have Weekly Overhaul Reports for ChNY and there is no mention of her there for a long enough period.
At any rate, she had the King Board Mods done by the time she and her DesDiv mates were assigned to Iceland Patrol in September 1941. So, the answer to your question is which Neutrality Patrol "Zone" are you interested in, Bermuda or Iceland? That would determine the configuration (and camo) of USS LIVERMORE.
Livermore remained at Boston for the remainder of the month. On 18 January 1941, she sailed for Provincetown, Mass., where she arrived the following day and then afterwards made her way to the Washington Navy Yard. On 28 January she got underway for Norfolk where she arrived on the 29th, and then remained at port there well into the next month. She got underway from Norfolk on 19 February, and arrived at the Charleston Navy Yard, S.C., on the 21st. After remaining Charleston for nearly a week the destroyer went on a brief excursion from Norfolk to Jacksonville, Fla., on 28 February, and remained there for several days before returning to Charleston on 2 March. She remained there for a significant portion of the month and then on 20 March steamed to Norfolk where she lingered late into April.
After steaming from Norfolk to Newport on 17 April 1941, then returning to Norfolk on the 19th, Livermore and her sistership Kearny (DD-432) were assigned to the neutrality patrol, when they stood out of Hampton Roads on 26 April in Task Group (TG) 2, formed around the aircraft carrier Wasp (CV-7) and the heavy cruiser Quincy (CA-39). TG 2 steamed 5,292 miles before arriving at Bermuda on 12 May. Livermore then participated in a second such patrol (with the same ships) when she sailed in TG 2 (Rear Adm. Robert C. Giffen, commanding) to carry out a 4,170-mile voyage that culminated at Bermuda on 3 June.
Subsequently, Livermore returned to Norfolk, then steamed to Newport on 13 June 1941, and then to Boston two days later for upkeep. Pushing on to Newport on 9 July, thence back to Norfolk (17 July), she operated locally on exercises from 24 July. She then returned to Bermuda.
With TG 2.7, Livermore sailed from Bermuda on 28 August 1941 along with the light cruiser Nashville (CL-43) and Kearny, as escorts for the aircraft escort vessel Long Island (AVG-1), the prototype for what would come to be called “escort carriers.” The group concluded their patrol, at Bermuda, on 9 September.
Underway from Bermuda on 11 September 1941, Livermore reached Argentia, Newfoundland, on 13 September. Soon thereafter, she steamed from Argentia to Hvalfjörður, Iceland, on 23 September 1941, then shepherded convoy ON 24.
Subsequently, on 15 October 1941, the German submarine U-553 began the onslaught against convoy SC 48 when she torpedoed and sank the British motor ship Silvercedar and Norwegian freighter Ila, before the Canadian destroyer HMCS Columbia [ex-U.S. destroyer Haraden (DD-183)] drove off the U-boat. U-432, U-502, U-558 and U-568, however, followed by U-73, U-77, U-101 and U-751, converged on the convoy, and one of them, U-568, torpedoed and sank the British steamer Empire Heron before the British corvette HMS Gladiolus drove her off. As a consequence, TU 4.1.4 (Capt. Hewlett Thebaud), comprising four U.S. destroyers, including Livermore, received orders to proceed to SC 48's aid as the west-bound convoy it had been escorting, ON 24, was dispersed.
Battle to protect convoy SC 48 continued on 16 October 1941, as U-502 and U-568 reestablished contact before retiring upon the arrival of TU 4.1.4. Livermore swept ahead of the convoy and depth-charged U-553 (Korvettenkapitän Karl Thurmann in command) while destroyer Kearny (DD-432), sweeping astern, dropped charges to discourage tracking submarines. Later, U-502 and U-568, augmented by U-432, U-553, and U-558 renew attack upon SC 48. The U-boats unleashed a determined assault on SC 48 during the night of 16–17 October.
SC 48 proved to be the first U.S. Navy-escorted convoy to engage German submarines in battle, but despite the presence of the three modern U.S. destroyers, including Livermore, and two flush-deckers--Decatur (DD-341) and HMCS Columbia and four Canadian corvettes, the enemy torpedoed six ships and an escort vessel in a total elapsed time of four hours and forty-seven minutes. U-432 sank the Greek steamer Evros, the Panamanian steamer Bold Venture, and Norwegian motor tanker Barfonn; U-558 sank the British tanker W.C. Teagle and Norwegian steamship Rym. U-553 sank the Norwegian steamer Erviken, and conducted an unsuccessful approach on Plunkett (DD-431).
Kearny was torpedoed by U-568 (Kapitänleutnant Joachim Preuss) southwest of Iceland; 11 of Kearny’s crew were killed, 22 injured. Soon thereafter, U-101 torpedoed and sank the British destroyer HMS Broadwater [ex-U.S. destroyer Mason (DD-191); lost on board the British flush-decker are two survivors from Ervinger and nine from W.C. Teagle. Escorted by Greer (DD-145), the damaged Kearny proceeded to Hvalfjörður where she would undergo repairs alongside repair ship Vulcan (AR-5) and eventually return to the United States.
Iceland-based PBYs (VP-73) arrived to provide air coverage for SC 48, one of which dropped a package containing blood plasma and transfusion gear for use in treating the wounded on board Kearny. Monssen (DD-435) retrieved the package but the gear becomes disengaged and sank. Later, a PBM (VP-74) repeated the operation a few hours later; successfully, with Monssen retrieving the medical supplies intact. Plunkett, Livermore and Decatur, meanwhile, made concerted depth charge attacks on sound contacts in proximity with no visible results. German submarines break off operations against SC 48. Ultimately, Livermore arrived at Argentia on the 21st and then steamed to Boston, arriving there on the 23rd.
Livermore got underway from Boston on 1 November 1941, and later that same day arrived at Casco Bay in Portland, Maine. She departed Casco Bay for Argentia on 3 November and arrived there on the 5th, then escorted another convoy to Hvalfjörður, and returned to Argentia on 25 November. Only a few days after the United States’ official entry into the Second World War on 11 December, Livermore made her final round trip voyage of the year, getting underway from Casco Bay on 14 December and arriving at Hvalfjörður shortly thereafter. She weighed anchor on the 25th and shaped a course for Boston, where she arrived without incident within the week.
Does anybody know, when Livermoore underwent the refit when her searchlight stand on the after superstructure was removed and six 0.5 machine guns were added? Was this before she joined Neutrality Patrol in 1941 or during this detachment?
Thanks in advance