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Re: Use of models as a reference
Thank you for posting a picture of the model. Unfortunately there are MANY major errors that can be seen at first glance. However, please keep it as an example of what NOT to use.
Well here's the model in 1:1200 scale.
As a general rule, models (especially those of amateur origin), should NOT BE USED as a reference for making a follow on model. If you know the history of the model maker, ie his pedigree, and the references that he has used , then maybe. Otherwise, stay away. I have looked to and used models for reference over the years. In a few cases, I wished that I hadn't. CONTEMPORY BUILDERS MODELS are the most reliable, but even these have to be used with care.
Re the Exeter fit; in spite of an extensive search, the result was abortive in terms of a definitive answer for the 20mm mounts. But now I know, thanks to Mr Denlay.
I have a small highly detailed handmade model of the ship made by an American model maker in the 1960s that has the tubs, and they are empty. So even back then, someone had the right answer.
I feel vindicated. I had thought that my drawing of the ship in this respect was correct, but was never positively certain until now.
In action firing her port 4 inch guns would suggest that the gun in B turret bin was a newly fitted oerlikon. The image is of poor quality but what appears to be the shield can be discerned.
There were no 20mm's found on Exeter wreck.
The images of mine that Dick linked to in his post turned out not to be a 20mm on the seabed.
Even if the gun itself (and shield even) had fallen out / off, the solid 'cone-shaped' support base (as it were) would have been expected to still be in either of the tubs - as it was a bolted down fixture - not something that would 'fall out'.
On closer inspection on subsequent dives a year or so after the images Dick linked to were taken, it was positively confirmed that the tubs were completely empty. All that remained were the round recessed 'slots' in the base of the tub (turret top as it were) where the various mounts shown in the image below (taken in Indian Ocean late 41 / early 42) were placed / fitted in.
Unfortunately, as beautiful as John Haynes model is, and it was beautiful enough that I wanted to buy it - but someone beat me to it - it is wrong in that respect. No offense meant John, it's still a BEAUTIFUL model!
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