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”Sabbath Study: NAHUM chapter 3, the modern REPLAY placed into proper perspective.
Posted by Steve (User logged in as wertq ) on April 2, 2011, 1:34 pm” On the Mt. Carmel Discussion Board on Boardhost.com
Updated January 12, 2013
INTRODUCTION posted:
April 2nd, 2011
There has been some issue raised of late about the topic of Nahum chapter three in regards to the Events at Waco. It has been alleged that in the expression of my viewpoints on the matter, that I have attacked a member of the students of the Seven Seals and therefore Subsequently...the teachings of David Koresh. Such is simply not true. I did dispute the REPORT of Another who quoted Nahum 3 being used to justify Mass Suicide. I seriously doubt in the expression of the event which was said to have originated in a conversation from Rita Riddle allegedly to this person who was trying to cite that David Koresh ordered that fire and this same person trying to spin the whole assertion he was making as being justified as if spinning it in the vein of Masada, that she promoted the passage to suggest that such not only justified Mass suicide on the part of those in Mt. Carmel on 4.19.93, but that such was also prophesied, and that God would order such of his people in Prophecy. I reiterate that which Clive Doyle expressed to me recently..."NO WHERE IN SCRIPTURE IS THIER ANY EXAMPLE OF GOD ORDERING HIS PEOPLE TO KILL THEMSELVES, NOR IS THEIR ANY PROPHECY TO A TIME WHEN HE WOULD DO SO."
I do not believe the reports of the person who was promoting such as I have spoken with Survivors who deny David ordered that fire.
Now, I suggest that the passage of Nahum 3 in certainly misunderstood by any who would use it to promote the notion of Mass Suicide on the part of any group of the children of God, in any era, including in recent years and a recent re-playing of Nahum to this modern World, those who died in the flames of Mt. Carmel in 1993 at Waco. And if in fact there are Surviving Students of the Seven Seals who have promoted Nahum 3:14,15 to apply to those directly who died inside Mt. Carmel based on anything David Said prior, I suggest they too misunderstand the passage and that which David stated of it, but
give them a wider birth in stating such. Noting first that there has been more than one doctrine hailed by one of the Survivors about this notion or that, that in fact is hailed as being approved of by David, if only by the omission of noting such was never actually noted by him, which is then presented in broad testimony to a current audience and in the same finding objection by those of their direct Brethren who were servants under the message of, and students of The seven Seals.
In this Study, the case of David's address of any of Nahum 3 being discussed is noted, and it's correctness or lack thereof to our timeframe. I think you will find if anything, In the Spirit of Inspiration...anything David actually My Have said of such matters is in fact not negated, but rather validated, and the room for error then arising later is addressed.
In this, David is not the first of those considered to be amongst the Seven Messengers of the Advent Movement which gave rise to the Students of The Seven Seals under David Koresh to Prophesy that Nahum was playing out in their timeframe. Nor, in lieu of that God has had me prophesy in recent years, was he the last. The notion of there being no more messengers after David will be discussed in relation to expectations of Nahum chapter two, and by the end of the study the reader should be able to see the logic presented that the case is not that Nahum was playing out in one timeframe during Victor Houteff's minstry then later under David playing out different or even
contrary...seemingly...as it may be, but rather that a Modern REPLAY of Nahum has been playing out to the World at Large for at Least 70 years to the current timeframe, and has never ceased it's progression. IN such, one can then see both messages and timeframes of The Shepherds Rod MOvement, and THE STUDENTS of THE Seven Seals under David Koresh to in fact not be at odds, but rather harmonize with and complement one another to point to the present timeframe.
As such, the events of both timefames must be examined, including Brother Houteff's prophecy of a future Messenger that would be fulfilled in the person of Vernon Howell as David Koresh, but likewise David then also noting a future messenger concerning the Message of Revelation 18, and how while many could preach or prophesy one way or another from that passage to promote one idea or another, LIfe and world events beyond the control of that actual Messenger who would be sent, would in fact set the stage to validate that messenger and offer confirmation to his presence as foretold by David Koresh. In that pivotal world changing event, it will noted that on existing Audio sermons still archived, that event, and it's details in more than one
place, were foretold by David Koresh as the prophet Vernon Howell prior to his legal name change some 16 years or so before the event would occur, and some 7 or 8 years after David Koresh had been murdered at Mt. Carmel on 4. 19. 1993. If this is indeed true, if events playing out in our world years after the death of the one preaching on those Audio Sermons of David Koresh in the Spirit all those years prior to such occurrence, then such likewise sufficient evidence that those sermons are in fact, "NOT" irrelevant to this generation. The event noted, with the prediction archived made so many years prior to the event based upon the passage or Revelation 18, will be likewise compared to what occurred at Mt. Carmel during the Siege, and the passages of Nahum with their respective relationships explained. IN such, the book of Nahum in a current reply over the last 70 years, and the stage leading up will be viewed in regards to THOSE PAYING ATTENTION, the Children of Light in each generation in both events Macro in Nahum and in the unfolding of history in thier timeframes as such applied not solely to themselves, but to former or later generations of God's children more directly (in Micro)...or the world at large in their day, and events will be seen playing out in the MICRO, in which a continual, unbroken chain of events since 1929 minimum can be seen to have taken place in this world offering in varied timelines with at least 3 different groups of "THOSE PAYING ATTENTION"...those under the ministry of Brother Houteff, later Brother Howell/Koresh, and now this current group, in which chronologically advancing in order, has been a succession of events experienced by the THEN CURRENT children of Light directly in the Micro with a more personal connection, cost, interaction and or experience between each group in succession which was unique to each group by a Micro application, and illustrative of a continual chronolgical advancement of a modern Replay of Nahum in this world from the Latter part of or just after the Life and Ministry of Ellen White...to this Current timeframe, with emphasis on 3 groups, The Shepherds Rod and those with Brother Roden, The Students of the Seven Seals and those with Brother Koresh, and those now, currently amongst THOSE PAYING ATTENTION.
I could cover such subject as the application of Nahum 3:14 and 15 as has been suggested and negate any possibility of it correctly being applied in hindsight to those who Died in Mt. Carmel merely by addressing the verse following and illustrating that the one(s) spoken to in verses 14 and 15 are continued in an active engagement of conversation in verse 16 and following. In such, a prophecy that "THY MERCHANTS OUTNUMBER THE STARS" is noted...and that, simply has never happened. NO NUMBER of those surviving those or who were amongst those who died in Mt. Carmel has since reached a number that outnumbers the stars...Let alone any MERCHANTS amongst them. In truth, most surviving, while some numbers are growing, find it difficult to find even a decent job in wake of the predjudices that follow. But if you truly are concerened to know these times, to see the book of Nahum placed in proper perspective as it applies to this current timeframe, and in such including it's role in haromonizing the presentation of this messenger to those prior, Brother Koresh, and Brother Houteff before him that you may actually see what is now applicable still to this timeframe and TO WHOM...then you may well wish to take the time to read and digest the entire study. IT runs about the length of any of the tracts published by the former groups. While we could go straight to the content of the chapter itself, the fact is, that the aforementioned chapters of scripture, church history and world events must simply first be given consideration in laying the foundation to even look at Nahum 3 and see it panoaramicly as it applied to the events of the Mt. Carmel Siege, the events leading up, and those which have since followed. THe messages of former generations must simply be harmonzied first, before we can then remove the blinders of this current land of Babylon, this confusion, to see clearly the past, that we understand the present in perspective as presented by the Angel sent to "THIS" Babylon, to our Current Timeframe.
IF you are truly of a mind that Ellen White was serious in advising that we must lend serious consideration when Inspriation is proclaimed and not simply dismiss such to hold to tradition...then you have some reading to do.
If your mind is made up already...then perhaps you have read enough...for if you continue, you may well one day be held accountable to God for what you are about to read, your acceptance or rejection of it, and what you then do following.
Happy Sabbath,
Steven Benjamin
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