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Posted by Don Gestner on 4/29/2019, 5:08 pm, in reply to "Re: On Judging"

Yes Harry Mr. Reed was a great judge if there ever was one. I have seen several dogs steal a point and it is a problem if unseen by a judge. I had a friend that wanted to run head to head with Oklahoma's Mark a son of Easy Mark. This dog took off like a serious bird finder It was a fairly wooded area and we were in several coveys and would find Mark backing this strange dog. I couldn't believe any or few that stood a chance on bird finding against OK Mark.We ran Mark at Ames in the National Championship twice when it was run on wild birds.To make a long story short we changed areas To a long treeroe with good cover within. Mark shot down the line taking advantage of the wind. He pointed and the strange dog backed but then sliped forward and had Mark nacking. LOL
To run dogs under his judgment was a pleasure and correctly done.

Yep, that guy pretty much knew what he was talking about. Let me add a comment or two. When judging, I always tried to give the dog a break. If my partner and I didn't know exactly what happened, I would accept the solution that benefited the dog. Backing is tough if you don't see it happen. Sometimes the backing dog is really the pointing dog for his bracemate "stole the point." I've had handlers tell me that, sometimes friends who I am pretty sure wouldn't lie to me - but my response was always the same if I didn't see it, it didn't happen! A judge can only judge what he sees, not what he hears. I liked to judge and never had a handler dispute my decision (I have seen some handlers berate a judge after the decision). When in my cups I have been known to say that I may render a poor decision through stupidity (I don't really understand what happened.) or ignorance (I was out of position and didn't SEE what happened.) but I will never cheat. I have too much respect for the sport to ever render a false decision. I guess enough people believed that so that if they didn't like the placements it was, "Those poor SoBs don't know any better." and thus my partner and I were left alone. :-) Harry

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[quote] Yes Harry Mr. Reed was a great judge if there ever was one. I have seen several dogs steal a point and it is a problem if unseen by a judge. I had a friend that wanted to run head to head with Oklahoma's Mark a son of Easy Mark. This dog took off like a serious bird finder It was a fairly wooded area and we were in several coveys and would find Mark backing this strange dog. I couldn't believe any or few that stood a chance on bird finding against OK Mark.We ran Mark at Ames in the National Championship twice when it was run on wild birds.To make a long story short we changed areas To a long treeroe with good cover within. Mark shot down the line taking advantage of the wind. He pointed and the strange dog backed but then sliped forward and had Mark nacking. LOL To run dogs under his judgment was a pleasure and correctly done. [/quote] Yep, that guy pretty much knew what he was talking about. Let me add a comment or two. When judging, I always tried to give the dog a break. If my partner and I didn't know exactly what happened, I would accept the solution that benefited the dog. Backing is tough if you don't see it happen. Sometimes the backing dog is really the pointing dog for his bracemate "stole the point." I've had handlers tell me that, sometimes friends who I am pretty sure wouldn't lie to me - but my response was always the same if I didn't see it, it didn't happen! A judge can only judge what he sees, not what he hears. I liked to judge and never had a handler dispute my decision (I have seen some handlers berate a judge after the decision). When in my cups I have been known to say that I may render a poor decision through stupidity (I don't really understand what happened.) or ignorance (I was out of position and didn't SEE what happened.) but I will never cheat. I have too much respect for the sport to ever render a false decision. I guess enough people believed that so that if they didn't like the placements it was, "Those poor SoBs don't know any better." and thus my partner and I were left alone. :-) Harry[/quote] [/quote]