Thanks good post and I total agree.
Don
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: Bob my name Don I have used this system
: since the early sixties It works but
: you do have to have the country to do
: so..years back the trend for real running
: dogs were prominent .
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: The dogs we have will run. Current training
: methods are designed to have our dogs win on
: the field trial grounds available. I like a
: dog that runs, and my training grounds will
: allow a dog to hit 1500-1700 yards out front
: and still see em, but when I train that way,
: I don't win because there's only 3-4 trials
: where I run that it's possible to have those
: dogs win. It's a game played to win, not see
: who's dog runs the most. We define our all
: age dogs by the grounds we run them on.
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: Too true! I broke in at Killdeer Plains
: over 50 years ago and that has colored my
: likes/dislikes in field trials ever since.
: Too bad there aren't grounds like that in
: every region or state. When I was judging I
: told everyone that "I'm looking for
: dogs that will run as big as the country
: allows!" In a derby stake in Ohio, I
: always said that "I want to see a derby
: three times in a half hour. At the
: breakaway and at the finish and once in
: between somewhere. (When I started in OH,
: derbies were just older puppies, placed on
: race. Vince Golden had one owner that
: didn't want his dogs to point until the
: summer after their derby year when they were
: being broke.)
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:Dan is right. I turn'em loose and lett'em
: roll. If they dont come back they camp out.
: Best dog I've ever owned camped out 5 nights
: in a row. Texas panhandle, big ranch, lots
: of sand burrs. And she was barefoot. She met
: us every morning raring to go. She could
: flush coveys faster than any dog I had ever
: seen.She just didnt hang around long, more
: birds over the hill. Bout day 4 she was
: running on slick retreads, left blood every
: step. She still went, lost again. Day five
: she just had no feet left and stayed with me
: the morning run, 2 hours. I took her back
: and fed her that evening. Put boots on her
: the next day and a training collar (wasnt
: about to loose a good collar on a sorry
: runoff dog)and had a fresh horse that needed
: a thrashin. That girl knew where every bird
: on that place was. She ran them all up, but,
: she turned and looked at me as if to say
: "you see that"? After awhile, like
: a few weeks, she pointed more and ran up
: less and my customers got to shoot some
: birds over her. Now this was at a time when
: birds were plentifull and we had big tuff
: country to run in. My customers got plenty
: of shooting, and I got to watch Sue run. She
: turned out to be the best bird dog I had
: ever owned, even now. But,,, I'm still
: lookin for that next great dog. And I'll do
: it the same.
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:Someone asked if you ever whip a dog for
: running off. If that makes any since to you,
: you dont know bird dogs. Do you yell
: "come here" at a dog then beat it
: when you catch it ? Lots of guys do. We call
: them AMETURES.
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: Sorry Don. I've always thought that if a dog
: doesnt "want" to stay with you, at
: 1000 yards or 100 yards, he's not a bird
: dog. It takes a VERY good handling dog to
: run in big country at all age range and also
: keep track of his handler. He needs to turn
: and come to the front when his handler
: turns, and not have to be ran down and
: "hacked" around to the front. The
: dog has to want to be in front. One of my
: pet peeves is looking for a lost dog. I just
: wont do it. My name is on the collar,
: someone will call. Usually the 2nd or 3rd
: day. I left lots of them and 99% ended up
: coming back. The ones that were habitual
: runoffs never made good dogs. The smartest
: ones were laying on my coat the next
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