I try to get my young pups onto planted pigeons when they are real young say 3-4 months and don't care much f they point them or catch them just be bold and want to dominate them. When I find that they will go hunting for them when walked I start them on wild birds. Hopefully they point but once they are about 4 months old we go walking for wild birds and leave the pigeons in the coupe. They are still young enough that they need to find birds or they get bored fast so the walks are not that long 15-20 min or till I get them rounded up. Once I have them running and hunting for wild birds strongly which can take quite a while and pointing them it is time to take them back to yard work and teach them some manners on pigeons. Every one has a version and mine is not full proof but has worked for the odd pup......Dave.
: "and he has gotten over his tendency to
: flag (I think)"
: If he flagged on wild birds, you don't ever
: want to see him on libbies!! At least
: that's been my experience.
: But back on point, when I was working dogs
: in S OH with Vince Golden and Bill
: Hantzleman, we had a derby or two point and
: hold wild birds. We liked to break first
: year shooting dogs on wild birds if we
: could. Start 'em on libbies, finish 'em on
: wild - but never the other way around!!
: I've seen young dogs started on wild birds
: refuse to point box birds.