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City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 20, 2019, 2:21 am

10 years ago Judy Whitaker was ordered by the state to create and maintain a list of all the types or categories of records available under her control, so why does she still not have it done and why does she act like she has never heard of such a law and when you read the specific portion of the law she does nothing but yell over you and yell that she doesn't care about the law. Then calls the police and makes false claims? Why does she order another office employee too stop looking up the law? Why are people voting for this sort of representation? Now she and the police department is costing the taxpayers alot of money.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 20, 2019, 3:06 am, in reply to "City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Well jeremy, maybe the state said she can have twenty years to get everything together. Seriously, if you are going to accuse someone of something you have to do better than that. This isnt Washington DC where you can just toss around accusations with not one damn thing to back them up. Also, how did the police wind up being the bad guys also?
Im not saying you are lying because i dont know, but this has the appearance of a drive by.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 20, 2019, 3:51 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

The state law requires every public body to create and maintain a list of all types or categories of public records available under their control. This was an issue 10 years ago and is still an issue today. The state did not say she can have 20 years to get everything together. The law existed before they were ordered to create such a list per the law. here is a copy of the letter they were sent 10 years ago:

Dear Mayor Hagnauer and Clerk Whitaker:

I write regarding a request for assistance that our office has received related to the City of Granite City and its compliance with the Illinois Freedom of Information Act, 5 ILCS 140/1 et seq. Mr. Jeremy Lindsey recently submitted material to our office indicating that the City is not complying with various requirements of the Act The material we received indicates that Mr. Lindsey requested from the City a list of all types or categories of records available for inspection and, in response to that request, the City demanded that Mr. Lindsey specify the particular category or records he was seeking. Mr. Lindsey was also informed that he would have to submit a FOIA request for such a list and that the City would have 14 days to respond to that request. Additionally, Mr. Lindsey has asserted that the City fails to accept his requests, submitted on City forms, unless he includes an explanation of the purpose for his request and that the City has asserted that it need not respond to his Freedom of Information Act requests unless he verifies he is a resident of the City.

Under the Illinois Freedom of Information Act, “[e]ach public body [must] make available to any person for inspection or copying all public records, except as otherwise provided.” 5 ILCS 140/3(a). There is no basis under the Act for asserting that a requestor must be a resident of the public body in order to have access to the records of the body. Further, the Act does not permit a public body to distinguish among requestors based on the purpose of a request. As the Illinois Supreme Court has stated, the Act “does not require that the persons requesting the information explain their need for that information or their planned use of that information.” Family Life League v. Dept. of Public Aid, 112 Ill. 2d 449, 456 (1986). Nothing in the Act permits a public body to deny a Freedom of Information Act request based on a requestor’s intended use of the requested records or based on a requestor’s failure to explain the purpose of the request. As such, the City is obligated to respond to Mr. Lindsey’s requests for records, regardless of his status as a resident of the City or his refusal to explain the reasons for his request.

The Act requires that “[e]ach public body shall, promptly, either comply with or deny a written request for public records within 7 working days after its receipt” and further requires that “[d]enial shall be by letter.” 5 ILCS 140/3(c). While the Act does allow a public body to extend the time for response to a request up to an additional 7 working days, the public body may only invoke such extension under the limited circumstances laid out in the statute. In order to properly extend the time for response, not only must one of the statutory reasons apply, but the public body must also “notify by letter the person making the written request within the [original 7 working day time period] of the reasons for the delay and the date by which the records will be made available.” 5 ILCS 140/3(e). The Attorney General’s Office wishes to take this opportunity to remind the City of its obligation to respond to all requests for public records promptly and in accordance with all of the requirements of the Act.

Additionally, the Freedom of Information Act expressly requires that “[a]s to public records prepared or received after the effective date of [the] Act, each public body shall maintain and make available for inspection and copying a reasonably current list of all types or categories of records under its control.” 5 ILCS 140/5. The purpose of this requirement is to aid requestors in making requests under the Act to the public body. To the extent that the City does not currently maintain such a list, it is required under the Act to create one and to make it available to Mr. Lindsey and any other requestor as soon as possible.

We ask that the City immediately respond to any pending Freedom of Information Act requests from Mr. Lindsey in accordance with all of the requirements of the Act. The City may also wish to take advantage of the resources available on our website (www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov), including a detailed guide to the Freedom of Information Act, in order to further familiarize itself with the requirements of the Act. If you have any questions about these or other Freedom of Information Act issues, please feel free to contact us.

Respectfully,

Heather V. Kimmons
Assistant Public Access Counselor
Assistant Attorney General

The law is quite clear and Mrs Whitaker has been informed of this and can not claim ignorance. After all, ignorance of the law is no excuse. When asking for a list of all types or categories of records she didn't have one. She said she didn't care about the law. I told her I was gonna start recording her because the people need to know how she acts and treats the people. I read the law to her before I started recording. The law is available online, why would she order her employees to stop with looking it up? She has been made aware, she was told. The law requires the list to be handed over immediately so someone can see what is available to file a request for.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 20, 2019, 4:01 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

(5 ILCS 140/3.5)
Sec. 3.5. Freedom of Information officers.
(a) Each public body shall designate one or more officials or employees to act as its Freedom of Information officer or officers. Except in instances when records are furnished immediately, Freedom of Information officers, or their designees, shall receive requests submitted to the public body under this Act, ensure that the public body responds to requests in a timely fashion, and issue responses under this Act. Freedom of Information officers shall develop a list of documents or categories of records that the public body shall immediately disclose upon request.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 20, 2019, 4:09 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

It's a willful choice to not keep up to date on the laws that apply to her and to blatantly say she doesn't care about the law. It's her job. A job she can't seem to handle.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Punk <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Punk' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 20, 2019, 3:21 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

What were you asking for?

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 20, 2019, 6:45 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

jeremy, lets say that you are 100% right. This is the Peoples Republic of Illinois, and if she has been allowed to tell everyone to p*** off for ten years and has suffered no repercussions why should she be concerned now? Look at this retched state jeremy, do you really think anyone cares if GC keeps their records properly? Do yourself a favor and let it go.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 20, 2019, 7:14 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

How can government get away with being ungovernable?

When laws do not apply to those who make them, people are not being governed, they are being ruled. ~ Judge Michael McHaney

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 20, 2019, 7:55 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

A list of the types or categories of records under her control. She did not have such a list as required by State law.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 20, 2019, 7:56 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

If you don't care that government employees are breaking the law that's your problem.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 20, 2019, 8:10 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Several years ago a lot of allegations were made against some people at Nameoki Township. Do you know what came of it?? Not a damn thing because nobody gave a rats a**. jeremey, you have had ten years worth of caring on this and what good has it done you? Some people cant get away with anything, some can get away with some things, and some people can do whatever they damn well please.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 20, 2019, 10:37 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Well if you are a taxpayer of granite city you should give a rats ads. It's your money being wasted by the city dealing with this. If the clerk/police would just uphold the law......

Do a Google search on Illinois FOIA suits

Posted by Riverbender <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Riverbender' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 20, 2019, 10:53 pm, in reply to "City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

and be prepared to hit a jackpot of hits. Illinois politicians feel that they do not have to honor the requests and, in my mind, they do so to hide their inequities.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 20, 2019, 10:54 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Why are you blaming the police? Do you expect them to arrest her for a crime that nobody seems to care about. If the police arrest her the DA will toss it in the trash. Remember, some people can do whatever they want?? The police arent going to get in the middle of this.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 21, 2019, 4:52 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

The police got in the middle when she called them. Then the police illegally reached into my pocket to sieze my wallet as he demanded my id, detained, cuffed, stuck me in the back of a police car. That is not something they have the authority to do. Under Terry V Ohio. They may only pat you down if they are lawfully detaining you and only if they have a reasonable belief that you are carrying a weapon. But they may not go into your pockets especially from the get go or reach into your clothing. It really helps for people to know their rights to realize just because the police do something doesn't mean they have the authority to do it.

Check out Rep. Adam Schiff doing the same thing

Posted by Riverbender <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Riverbender' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 21, 2019, 5:44 am, in reply to "City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

They are Democrats so why would you expect anything less?

Judicial Watch Sues Rep. Schiff and the House Intelligence Committee for Phone Subpoenas Targeting Trump

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch announced it today filed a lawsuit against Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) and the House Intelligence Committee for the controversial subpoenas issued for phone records, including those of Rudy Giuliani, President Trump’s lawyer. The phone records led to the publication of the private phone records of Giuliani, Congressman Devon Nunes, journalist John Solomon, Trump attorney Jay Sekulow, attorney Victoria Toensing, and other American citizens.

Judicial Watch filed the lawsuit under the public’s common-law right of public access to examine government records after it received no response to a December 6, 2019, records request (Judicial Watch v Adam Schiff and U.S. House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (No. 1:19-cv-03790)):

All subpoenas issued by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on or about September 30, 2019 to any telecommunications provider including, but not limited to AT&T, Inc., for records of telephone calls of any individuals;
All responses received to the above-referenced subpoenas.

Schiff is a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, currently serving as Chairman of the United States House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. Schiff is being sued in his capacity as Chairman of that committee. The new lawsuit states:
The records are of critical public importance as the subpoenas were issued without any lawful basis and violated the rights of numerous private citizens.
Disclosure of the requested records would serve the public interest by providing information about the unlawful issuance of the subpoenas.
The requested records fall within the scope of the public’s right of access to governmental records as a matter of federal common law.

“Adam Schiff abused his power to secretly subpoena and then publish the private phone records, in potential violation of law, of innocent Americans. What else is Mr. Schiff hiding?” asked Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “Schiff and his Committee ran roughshod over the rule of law in pursuit of the abusive impeachment of President Trump. This lawsuit serves as a reminder that Congressman Schiff and Congress are not above the law.”

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press...&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=press_release

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Palin 2020 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Palin+2020' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 21, 2019, 4:38 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

This reads like you had a meltdown in public.

The police were called.

You refused to identify yourself.

They cuffed you, secured you, checked your ID to see who you were.

If you had any legal recourse in the matter, it seems like you would have taken it by now.

Moral of the story: quit throwing tantrums.

I’m neither an educator nor a member of the schoolboard. I am also not an appointed or elected local official.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 21, 2019, 5:01 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

So pay a lawyer tons of money. Just wow.

When laws do not apply to those who make them, people are not being governed, they are being ruled. ~ Judge Michael McHaney

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 21, 2019, 6:27 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

jeremy, if Palin and i agree you arent going to win this, you should give it up. You can tell everyone in your jail cell that you were right i guess. Let it go, or this is going to end bad for you.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by bob <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=bob' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 21, 2019, 6:32 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I believe Jeremy has been out of favor with the police for quite some time.

If you don't read the papers, you're uninformed. If you read the papers, you're misinformed. - Mark Twain

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by bob <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=bob' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 21, 2019, 6:33 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

It's hard to believe they had to reach for his ID to know who he is.

If you don't read the papers, you're uninformed. If you read the papers, you're misinformed. - Mark Twain

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 21, 2019, 6:42 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Ya, i think you may be onto something. I cant say that he is telling a bunch of lies, just that making the police an enemy isnt a very diplomatic way to make a breakthrough of any kind.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Hard Core <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Hard+Core' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 21, 2019, 7:52 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I don't know of the history behind this man and the clerk. I also don't know what was said before this video started. But, what I do know is, (SHE) is the only one yelling and raising her voice in the video.

I can't imagine being talked to not only in that tone, but being yelled at in that manner by a city employee.

Turn up the volume and listen to what she is yelling at him, scolding him as if he is her red headed step child.

"FILL OUT A FREEDOM OF IMFORMATION ACT (I WONT TELL YOU AGAIN!" "I wont tell you again" meaning what? I'm going to scream at you and scold you and you're going to take it, and then I am going to call the police and have them haul you out in handcuffs.

The way she talked to this guy, just the part alone captured on this video is proof positive she needs to be relieved of her duties, just who the hell does she think she is?

Again, I have no idea what he said to her before he started to record, but during the recording, you never heard him raise his voice or be disrespectful to her at any time.

Has anyone actually looked into the laws, is she as the city clerk require by the state, to keep the records that were being requested?

Sometimes Truth Hurts

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 21, 2019, 9:56 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I asked for a list of the types or categories of records under her control. I read this law to her and she yelled she doesn't care about the law. She doesn't have a law like that. She never heard of it. However she has heard about it. The letter I posted that she got 10 years ago ordered her to make a list.

The Law States:
(5 ILCS 140/3.5)
Sec. 3.5. Freedom of Information officers.
(a) Each public body shall designate one or more officials or employees to act as its Freedom of Information officer or officers. Except in instances when records are furnished immediately, Freedom of Information officers, or their designees, shall receive requests submitted to the public body under this Act, ensure that the public body responds to requests in a timely fashion, and issue responses under this Act. Freedom of Information officers shall develop a list of documents or categories of records that the public body shall immediately disclose upon request.

Also:

(5 ILCS 140/5) (from Ch. 116, par. 205)
Sec. 5. As to public records prepared or received after the effective date of this Act, each public body shall maintain and make available for inspection and copying a reasonably current list of all types or categories of records under its control. The list shall be reasonably detailed in order to aid persons in obtaining access to public records pursuant to this Act. Each public body shall furnish upon request a description of the manner in which public records stored by means of electronic data processing may be obtained in a form comprehensible to persons lacking knowledge of computer language or printout format.
(Source: P.A. 83-1013.)

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 21, 2019, 9:59 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Apparently you don't understand the limits on police authority. They can not go through your pickets. Also you are not obligated to always give id. I'm sorry you don't understand that. Maybe you should do some reading up on the law and your rights.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 21, 2019, 10:06 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Mrs Whitaker stated she has never heard of a law like that however approximately 10 years ago there was a letter sent to her from the State Attorney Generals Office that is as follows:
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Dear Mayor Hagnauer and Clerk Whitaker:

I write regarding a request for assistance that our office has received related to the City of Granite City and its compliance with the Illinois Freedom of Information Act, 5 ILCS 140/1 et seq. Mr. Jeremy Lindsey recently submitted material to our office indicating that the City is not complying with various requirements of the Act The material we received indicates that Mr. Lindsey requested from the City a list of all types or categories of records available for inspection and, in response to that request, the City demanded that Mr. Lindsey specify the particular category or records he was seeking. Mr. Lindsey was also informed that he would have to submit a FOIA request for such a list and that the City would have 14 days to respond to that request. Additionally, Mr. Lindsey has asserted that the City fails to accept his requests, submitted on City forms, unless he includes an explanation of the purpose for his request and that the City has asserted that it need not respond to his Freedom of Information Act requests unless he verifies he is a resident of the City.

Under the Illinois Freedom of Information Act, “[e]ach public body [must] make available to any person for inspection or copying all public records, except as otherwise provided.” 5 ILCS 140/3(a). There is no basis under the Act for asserting that a requestor must be a resident of the public body in order to have access to the records of the body. Further, the Act does not permit a public body to distinguish among requestors based on the purpose of a request. As the Illinois Supreme Court has stated, the Act “does not require that the persons requesting the information explain their need for that information or their planned use of that information.” Family Life League v. Dept. of Public Aid, 112 Ill. 2d 449, 456 (1986). Nothing in the Act permits a public body to deny a Freedom of Information Act request based on a requestor’s intended use of the requested records or based on a requestor’s failure to explain the purpose of the request. As such, the City is obligated to respond to Mr. Lindsey’s requests for records, regardless of his status as a resident of the City or his refusal to explain the reasons for his request.

The Act requires that “[e]ach public body shall, promptly, either comply with or deny a written request for public records within 7 working days after its receipt” and further requires that “[d]enial shall be by letter.” 5 ILCS 140/3(c). While the Act does allow a public body to extend the time for response to a request up to an additional 7 working days, the public body may only invoke such extension under the limited circumstances laid out in the statute. In order to properly extend the time for response, not only must one of the statutory reasons apply, but the public body must also “notify by letter the person making the written request within the [original 7 working day time period] of the reasons for the delay and the date by which the records will be made available.” 5 ILCS 140/3(e). The Attorney General’s Office wishes to take this opportunity to remind the City of its obligation to respond to all requests for public records promptly and in accordance with all of the requirements of the Act.

Additionally, the Freedom of Information Act expressly requires that “[a]s to public records prepared or received after the effective date of [the] Act, each public body shall maintain and make available for inspection and copying a reasonably current list of all types or categories of records under its control.” 5 ILCS 140/5. The purpose of this requirement is to aid requestors in making requests under the Act to the public body. To the extent that the City does not currently maintain such a list, it is required under the Act to create one and to make it available to Mr. Lindsey and any other requestor as soon as possible.

We ask that the City immediately respond to any pending Freedom of Information Act requests from Mr. Lindsey in accordance with all of the requirements of the Act. The City may also wish to take advantage of the resources available on our website (www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov), including a detailed guide to the Freedom of Information Act, in order to further familiarize itself with the requirements of the Act. If you have any questions about these or other Freedom of Information Act issues, please feel free to contact us.

Respectfully,

Heather V. Kimmons
Assistant Public Access Counselor
Assistant Attorney General

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 21, 2019, 11:00 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

jeremy, you arent listening. I dont know what everyone else thinks but you havent heard me even once say you were wrong. Im just telling you to maybe pick your fights a little better. Whats your plan, to take them all on??? Do you think thats a sold strategy?? Its not like fighting in here, they will take you out into the deep water and drown you.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by bob <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=bob' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 21, 2019, 11:07 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

So, 10 years ago, the PAC told her to honor your request, and nothing became of that, and you didn't pursue that then?

If you don't read the papers, you're uninformed. If you read the papers, you're misinformed. - Mark Twain

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 21, 2019, 11:10 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

bob, its not all that hard to believe i guess. If the person you report something to blows it off it ends there. I know it happens a lot, which is why i cant
totally discount what he is saying.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by bob <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=bob' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 21, 2019, 11:19 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I was just wondering why he's raising hell about it now and not 10 years ago. Why would he expect a different result today? Different PAC maybe?

If you don't read the papers, you're uninformed. If you read the papers, you're misinformed. - Mark Twain

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 21, 2019, 11:53 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I dont know, but the lesson here seems to be dont fight city hall. Everyone knows everyone good luck fighting that.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 22, 2019, 1:57 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Bless your heart.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 22, 2019, 1:58 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

So you would rather let corruption continue. That makes you just as complicit.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by bob <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=bob' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 22, 2019, 2:11 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

How do you propose to fight city hall? Trump is trying to drain the swamp and look what's happening to him. I don't know the answer. I'm afraid of what it would take.

If you don't read the papers, you're uninformed. If you read the papers, you're misinformed. - Mark Twain

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Posted by poor ol elroy <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=poor+ol+elroy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 22, 2019, 6:57 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

The reason Jeremy didnt complain ten years ago is he got very despondent leaving the courthouse, went home and took a ten year nap.
Should we all band together, go down and storm the place? I will turn the eight ball up and see what comes up in the window. I will report the findings after my perdomo and my nap

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Palin 2020 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Palin+2020' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 22, 2019, 10:54 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Im fine with the police handling a local nuisance in such a manner.

Step one, of course, is not to be a local nuisance.

However, there are countless videos of people being a local nuisance as an exercise of their rights.

The one thing these local nuisances have in common is that none of them can be described as a high-flyer when it comes to mental acuity.

Final advice, local nuisance: work on that penmanship and fill out some applications and get a job to occupy yourself.

I’m neither an educator nor a member of the schoolboard. I am also not an appointed or elected local official.

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Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 22, 2019, 11:30 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I'm sure King George thought the American Colonists to be a nuisance as well.

When laws do not apply to those who make them, people are not being governed, they are being ruled. ~ Judge Michael McHaney

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Posted by Worker A <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Worker+A' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 22, 2019, 11:37 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Brother Eddie bas no mental acuity, so the odds are at best even in that matchup.

Dear jeremylindsey

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 22, 2019, 1:44 pm, in reply to "City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

If you wish to pursue this matter, may I suggest that all correspondence be electronic.

Make another request to the public body you are seeking information .. you are not required to use a specific form.

As you probably know they have 5 business days to respond to your request or ask for an extension listing the statutory reasons for the extension request.

If within the time restraints, you have not received compliance - submit a request for review from the public access counselor with the office of the Attorney General.

You need a current binding opinion.

I was a State registered FOIA officer.

When laws do not apply to those who make them, people are not being governed, they are being ruled. ~ Judge Michael McHaney

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 22, 2019, 3:05 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

jeremy, the consensus seems to be that no matter if you are right or not, you arent going to win in the end. Most seem pretty content not to believe you for whatever reason and the rest of us think you could be on to something but you are still going to lose. Nobody is saying they support anything crooked in Illinois on any level of government. I dont know know how to break this to you jeremy, but you arent the first Person to have witnessed some crooked ass BS, or something that you think is.
You are fighting the unbeatable foe jeremy, let it go. Go watch a football game.

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Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 22, 2019, 3:15 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Elroy, I had forgotten all about this kid. He was the one who rode around town on a bike filming the police, city hall, etc... He was a wanna be Elliot Davis.

Every member of the House and Senate are richer tonight because of the economy of Donald Trump. You're Welcome!

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Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 22, 2019, 6:24 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Doesn't matter if you are ok with someone being treated illegally. The Law is clear. And if Judy Whitaker refuses to do her job that doesn't make people who request public records a nuisance. It's her job if she can't handle it and doesn't want to do her job and instead sit there and do as little as possible it is nothing short of theft of taxpayers money. They also can't force you to fill out their particular form. I broke no law and yet some of you are ok with how police/government workers treat people. You are probably the same people who spout the if you just follow the law police won't bother you mantra. Some people here are apparently ok with or are a part of official corruption. Just because you think I should let them get away with something doesn't mean shit to me.

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 22, 2019, 6:34 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

It doesnt matter who is right, and you dont seem to understand that for whatever reason. Exactly how far has your camera and bicycle got you to this point? Nowhere, amd ten years from now you will still be in the same position, no damn where.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 22, 2019, 6:36 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I know alot of granite city folks are are in poverty level income brackets and don't have the resources to stand up to it or the knowledge to know that something that was done was an egregious violation of the law or rights. Let me assure you I don't fall into that category. I'm not another poor downtrodden person like who the police mess with cause they know the person can't afford to do anything about it.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 22, 2019, 6:37 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Bless your heart.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 22, 2019, 6:43 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

You don't know me or know what resources I have at my disposal now from 10 years ago. And my only intention here is to try to raise awareness of a problem. But if people want to make up assumptions of what they think they know about what is allowed to be done without thinking "you know what, I'm gonna research this further so I can make an educated and informed decision/response" then that is those peoples problem. Just because you don't care enough don't try to convince others to give it up or stop caring about it.

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 22, 2019, 6:46 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Good idea, research it some more and let us know where you are with it in 2029. Good luck.

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Posted by bob <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=bob' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 24, 2019, 12:14 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

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If you don't read the papers, you're uninformed. If you read the papers, you're misinformed. - Mark Twain

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 26, 2019, 2:10 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

The police put themselves in the middle when the police were called to come there and promptly began to take her at her word which was nothing but lies about him. Your punk cop wannabes need to keep their dirty paws to themselves. I suggest they play more pocket pool if they have nothing better or lawful to do. Oh yes I did just say that.

When your kids cant live their adult lives there because the taxes become unbearable, you might have yourself and others like you to blame.

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Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 26, 2019, 2:14 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

You are such a nice piece of work.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 26, 2019, 2:27 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Sounds like a threat made and the owners of this board should report it. I wonder how many people you have knowledge of that have
been met with fowl play? I've taken a screen shot and will keep it closely guarded. If you are just sincerely worried of his safety, I apologize.

It doesn't speak well of the people in charge of law and order in GC.

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Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 26, 2019, 2:29 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 26, 2019, 2:41 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

granny, i have to admit im having a hard time following you here. Are you saying jeremey is legit?? Ok fine, even if the answer to that question is yes, hes still like a hamster in a wheel running and running and not getting very far. Its an unwinnable fight.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 26, 2019, 2:43 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

It sounds like possibly another threat.
Perhaps I will report this and anything else I perceive as a threat. No, not to your local goons. I recall someone telling him to go jump off a bridge at one time on here. I took a screenshot then too.

WOW, I'M GLAD IT'S NOT MY HOMETOWN.
IM SURE THERE ARE SOME NICE PEOPLE THERE AND I HOPE THAT THEY CARE ABOUT THEIR TOWN BETTER THAN SOME SEEM NOT TO CARE ABOUT IT.

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Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 26, 2019, 2:52 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Apparently the Constitution wasn't in favor of the lie that was being told by many police statewide in IL. The lie that it was a felony to record the police with audio. Once again, your goons showed the world the truth of the real life there.
Truly saddened by this for all the good innocent people who perhaps fear for their life enough to stay silent.

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Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 26, 2019, 3:09 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Only to cowards.

Re: Dear jeremylindsey

Very nice of you to share this info.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 26, 2019, 3:39 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

It was illegal at one time to record the police.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 26, 2019, 3:42 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

granny, do you know what a threat is? Telling someone to jump off a bridge isnt a threat. Certainly if you are a real granny you understand that simply being right doesnt mean a damn thing.

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 26, 2019, 3:44 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

granny, why dont you go jump off a bridge, if you can raise yourself up that high. Dont egg him on, its only going to end bad for the boy.

Re: Dear jeremylindsey

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 26, 2019, 3:46 am, in reply to "Re: Dear jeremylindsey"

You should have all you need by 2030. Good luck.

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Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 26, 2019, 2:43 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

"Fowl Play"? Why bring birds into this? LOL

Every member of the House and Senate are richer tonight because of the economy of Donald Trump. You're Welcome!

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Posted by Punk <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Punk' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 26, 2019, 3:56 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

granny sounds oddly enough like Jeremy Huckleberry

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Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 27, 2019, 6:10 am, in reply to "City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Just got some of what I requested from the City of Granite City, and surprise surprise, they are holding back. They sent the squad car camera footage for 4 of the squad cars that arrived. 2 of them shockingly doesn't have the audio to it. Wonder why that is? Are they afraid of what was said that was picked up on it getting out to the public? And the written report lacks many crucial details. Like what the officer did. What was said or done. No mention of illegally reaching into my pocket to take my wallet while asking if I had ID. No Mention of the profanity laced tirade the officer went on telling me I don't fu@#$ng tell me (Patrich) what he can't do when I told him he cant reach into my pocket. No mention that I was placed in handcuffs and placed in the back of the squad car so I couldn't hear what was being discussed between the officers and the Clerk. The videos will be posted online this weekend.

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 27, 2019, 7:04 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I have to admit, you have tenacity, i just hope it doesnt get you Arkancided. The more i think about the things you say, and how you claim you were responded to, i 51% believe most of your account of how things went down. You and your alter ego granny still face an uphill battle, and i dont like your chances of sticking the landing.

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Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 27, 2019, 9:04 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Still whining after all these years. Grow up and find a hobby.

Every member of the House and Senate are richer tonight because of the economy of Donald Trump. You're Welcome!

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Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 27, 2019, 2:50 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

You got me on that one, lol.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 27, 2019, 3:10 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Sounds like a threat to me. I don't know you but if I had to guess, I would say you are quite possibly related or hold the title of someone involved. He was assaulted or battered or perhaps both by armed goons. I suggest he carry his own protection and that he find a shooting range and perfect his aim.

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 27, 2019, 3:15 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Maybe thats your problem, you think everything is a threat. Telling someone to jump off a bridge is a suggestion. Telling someone you are going to throw them off a bridge is a threat. Learn the difference bruh.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 27, 2019, 3:18 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I didn't say you threatened me.

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 27, 2019, 5:45 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Good, because i was about to hunt down my video recorder.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 27, 2019, 7:07 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Now grandma, you old fart, don't be calling the police "armed goons". Jeremy mouthed off, showed some attitude and got put in his place by the police.

Sometimes justice is served.

Only people who have been in trouble with the police would refer to them as goons. Either your or little Jeremy (my guess a relative) have probably had your share of police contacts.

Hey Granny, whatcha gonna do when they come for you?

Every member of the House and Senate are richer tonight because of the economy of Donald Trump. You're Welcome!

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 27, 2019, 7:30 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Shes going to tell everyone at Bingo how she was mistreated.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 27, 2019, 8:23 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Wally, she needs to stay on the outside of the tub when she's bathing Jeremy. It's disturbing to both of their mental well being.

Every member of the House and Senate are richer tonight because of the economy of Donald Trump. You're Welcome!

Re: Dear jeremylindsey

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 27, 2019, 9:35 pm, in reply to "Re: Dear jeremylindsey"

He'll have it much quicker than they will want to give it up.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 27, 2019, 10:01 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I'LL BRING MY (A) GAME, OF COURSE.
YOU DON'T FOLLOW ALONG VERY WELL WITH WHAT YOU ARE WATCHING, DO YOU? THE VIDEO TELLS THE STORY AND THE TRUTH. MAYBE I WILL REQUEST SOME OF THEIR OWN VIDEO FOOTAGE. NOTHING LIKE USING THEIR OWN VIDEO AGAINST THEM. AND YOU OLD FART SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF FOR MAKING UP THE FALSE SCRIPT YOU WANT TO PLAY OUT IN YOUR WORSE MOVIE OF THE YEAR YOU ARE DIRECTING. YOU REALLY MUST FIND YOU SOME BETTER ACTORS.

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 27, 2019, 10:33 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Im going to have nightmares now.

Re: Dear jeremylindsey

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 27, 2019, 10:36 pm, in reply to "Re: Dear jeremylindsey"

jeremy, the odds in Vegas are better for the Orioles to win the world series this year than for you to come out of this a winner. Go get em killa.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 3:51 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Falsify reports often officer?

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 4:31 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Even if I mouthed off to the police which I did not, they are subject to it, it's the 1st amendment. I'm sorry you don't understand that you are not required to give id just because police ask you for it. I'm sorry you don't understand that police can not go into your pockets to take your wallet unless you are arrested. Failure to ID can not be the sole basis for detention because it is not against the law unless you are already lawfully detained. Patrich falsified his report and omitted many details.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 5:07 am, in reply to "City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 5:09 am, in reply to "City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

animated trump gif

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Posted by poor ol elroy <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=poor+ol+elroy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 5:57 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

YAWN

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Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 6:22 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Yawn all you want, the written report by Officer Patrich contradicts the video. Falsifying his report, violating the law, you must be ok with it those sworn to uphold the law to fabricate statements. If they do it to one person, they do it to many and just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't make it any less serious of a pattern or practice of criminal behavior.

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Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 7:07 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

JL get a job you twit.

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Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 7:09 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Too bad he didn’t split your skull.

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Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 7:40 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Wow, seriously, you want the police to split my skull when I didn't commit a crime? You thinking criticizing the police warrants being brutalized or killed? Seriously, what is wrong with you?

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Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 7:44 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I have one thank you. Why do you think people who look into the affairs of government doesn't have a job? Bless your heart. Just cause you don't like your cop buddies being exposed doesn't mean you are gonna shut me up. Why don't you man up and do something to hold your government accountable for violating the law?

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Posted by Palin 2020 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Palin+2020' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 9:32 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Must be one hell of a career if you’ve got enough free time to get cuffed up at 1:27pm on a Monday.

Looks like they turned the report around for you pretty quickly.

Unfortunately for you, your video doesn’t jibe with the other more reliable sources.

Would like to see the portion where you had the meltdown that precipitated the police being called.

You wouldn’t have edited that out, would you?

Of course not.

I’m neither an educator nor a member of the schoolboard. I am also not an appointed or elected local official.

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Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 11:14 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Why didn't you, on your report, write down all the officers names that responded? Why didn't you ask him what his side of the story was? Why didn't you articulate what crime you suspected him of when he asked you? Why didn't you arrest him? After all, you had him in cuffs and placed him in the back of the squad car. I'll post a video and I'll bet it will answer all my questions at once, so to speak.

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Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 11:26 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I'll overlook you because you are an old fool like me. But I can say here and now that they are lucky they let him go.

Whether I am a relative or not has no bearing on this case. The fact that I am old and have lived a full life and don't care if my world ends today, plays heavily in my world.

You and others sit on this board and talk about how criminal the people are who run the city, county etc etc, but you act like your police are saints. I still held an ounce of respect for you up until now.

BREAKING NEWS. BREAKING NEWS. BREAKING NEWS

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Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 11:56 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

More reliable sources can found in 🇩🇪.
I didn't know that the P O L I C E were in the business of letting go tantrum throwing people.

The only one having a meltdown was the old lady who was playing with her doll.

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Posted by Palin 2020 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Palin+2020' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 12:03 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Whatever.

Obviously what prompted them to call the police was edited out.

Hopefully there are tasers and jail time the next time this nuisance presents itself.

I’m sure it won’t be the first time this entity has been to the pokey.

I’m neither an educator nor a member of the schoolboard. I am also not an appointed or elected local official.

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Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 12:06 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

SOME HAVE ASSURED THAT IF THERE IS EVER A JURY TO BE SELECTED FOR A TRIAL INVOLVING THE POLICE, THEY WILL BE DISQUALIFIED.
SAD DAY FOR AMERICA.

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Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 12:09 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

One less biased juror.

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Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 12:25 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Lets see, based on what soldiers today make, I'd say he gets paid more money than you ever got paid. Saddens me to say this.

Hagnauer and Whitacre being Democrats don't have to follow the law

Posted by Riverbender <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Riverbender' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 12:38 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

and are sure to be re-elected by the vote of the Free Stuff Army and their allies. It is a done deal.

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Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 1:29 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

They let you go because they don't know when a fellow officer will get a conscience
and tell the truth.

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Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 5:39 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Did it ever occur to you that the reason I started recording is because Judy Whitaker was having a meltdown? Saying she doesn't care about the law and she has her own law and I said the people need to know how she is acting and treating people and I told her I was gonna start recording this. Before you go and claim that the video doesn't jive up with more reliable sources maybe you should carefully inspect what I have presented with what the law says. You can't be detained and cuffed and put in the back of a squad car for refusing to ID. That is against the law for police to do. The report said I refused to give ID so I was detained. Did you watch the video closely? I turned around cause he already put his hand in my pocket grabbing for my wallet. For the last time, that is 100% Illegal. It became theft/armed robbery. When did I refuse to give ID? I asked 1 question which people have a right to do to determine if they are being detained to know if I'm even obligated to give ID. The police lied in the report. Prrhaps the video doesnt jive with the report because the police lied. So much for them being a more reliable source. You are seriously grasping for straws when everything is presented. Video doesnt lie. I didn't refuse to give my Id. I refused to let him steal it out of my pocket. If you could only be bothered to educate yourself on the law. Seriously. Think about what you are saying. The video diesnt jive with the more reliable source, the word of a cop. Video v falsified report. Reading the law to the clerk doesnt qualify as a meltdown on my part. Sorry to burst your bubble.

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Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 6:04 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Cause thats the obvious conclusion because you dont want to believe the police lied. You more reliable source caught lying and your brain just can't handle it so obviously the person whose rights were violated must have done something wrong to deserve it. Rights are rights and if you cant understand that then you are sadly misinformed. The Law isn't what police say it is, it is what the law says. And if the law says I dont have to give ID then I cant be detained and cuffed for refusing because it's not a crime. He tried in person finally tell me I was being detained for "how about disorderly conduct" another falsification. Why doesnt that match his written report? Why wasn't that mentioned in his report at all. Go educate yourself before you spout off that you hope uts jail time and teasers. We're you there? You already have me convicted in your mind based on your opinion that people can't quote the law or you deserve jail time. No wonder Granite City Police get away with so much. You either are a police officer yourself or you are letting one screw you just because well arr ubh obviously as you like to put it.

When the officer grabbed my hand and phone down he cause it to be shut off which stopped the recording. Luckily for me I had a password on the phone and any attempt to go through my phone was met with a lock screen. Otherwise I would have had on video his profane laced tirade and what was said and done. But that's another violation of law for police to stop someone from recording. So dont blame me for there not being more of a video. You clearly see she was yelling. That was the reason I started recording to begin with and I told her as much.

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Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 6:11 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

The Law itself be damned right. We have laws for a reason. And its not so police can be judge jury and executioner. Just because you are happy with them violation the law doesnt mean I have to accept it. I wasnt put in my place. I was illegally treated. Big difference. Police are not reliable when they break the law. They are called law enforcement officers, not personal feeling and whims enforcement officers. If you don't like people having rights then move to North Korea.

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 6:20 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Why post a video of LA? Im not sure you now this but the police can handcuff your sorry ass and detain you without arresting you. Also the police dont have to answer to the media just because some halfwit wannabee craka gangsta challenges their authority.

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 6:37 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Back in the 80's we had a charge called Disorderly conduct for guys like you when they decided to act up. And it was shocking how many of those people got hit up with a resisting charge. In most states when the police ask for ID you better cough it up because that is a charge. The peoples Republic of Illinois still tends to bend over forwards for dirtbags and wannabees and not he police. In the end jeremey you are still going to lose, but maybe some of us will put a few bucks in your canteen account for being so entertaining.
BTW jeremy, its not so much that i blindly believe the police, its that i dont believe you. One of these days you are going to push the wrong cops button and its going to be really ugly for you.

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Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 7:06 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

The video doesn't lie. And refusing to ID is not against the law, it is not considered disorderly conduct. Furthermore, Disorderly conduct can't be used to criminalize constitutionally protected activity. I've presented the video, and why does it not match up with the written report from the officer? It sure isn't because the video lied. I didn't act up. If you also notice the documents I uploaded, it states that the officers can't give preferential treatment.

Right from their own policy and procedure manual:

Exhibiting partiality for or against and individual or group because of race, creed, gender or influence constitutes un-officer like conduct; conduct unbecoming an officer.

I was treated with impartiality against someone with "influence" based on her position in government. She was the only one yelling. Has anyone bothered to even call her and ask her for a list of the types or categories of records she has? Then ask her why she doesn't have such a list? See how you get treated. None of you have even bothered to look into what happened, I present evidence and you just automatically believe the word of the police which contradict the video. Patrich's credibility is gone.

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 7:39 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I havent seen no video. Lets see your edited video.

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 7:45 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Thats it??? Wow, you should take that to the Supreme Court.

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 7:48 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I wouldnt mind some kind of response from Granite City concerning jeremeys accusations. Just because hes annoying as hell and a royal pain in the ass doesnt automatically make him wrong with everything.

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Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 7:49 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I personally would take my chances in Russia or Iraq.

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Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 8:01 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

And that is when I come in like an old fool with nothing to lose. You have made yourself look pretty stupid and quite possibly the dumbest cop I have never known.

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 8:05 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Cya.

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Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 8:08 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Just let him continue to show himself and what his true colors have revealed about him. I pity the fool.

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Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 8:27 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

NO, not because you didn't commit a crime. Just because nobody likes you except for your granny. Get a job.

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Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 8:29 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

OMG, say it ain't so. Granny doesn't respect me. What shall I do?

By the way, you never hear me call any leader a criminal honey. I might call a few "ignorant", but I never accuse them of being criminal.

I do accuse those who berate police officers criminals because they usually are.

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Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 8:30 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I personally would take my chances in Russia or Iraq.

Good. Go!

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Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 8:34 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Granny, it's Saturday night. Give JL a bath and some cookies and milk. Sing him to sleep and both of you STFU.

You're obviously criminal types and that's why you continue to bash police officers ten years after a "supposed" event happens.

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Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 8:43 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

There must be reasonable suspicion of a crime in order to detain you, merely asking if you are being suspected of a crime does not under the law constitute refusal to id nor does it constitute a lawfully permitted reason to detain someone for refusing to id. You can't seem to grasp the concept that people don't have to id just because police ask for it. That is not how the law works, and since you refuse to research the law and go of what you think you know, you're credibility in the matter is zilch.

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Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 8:45 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

The fact that you think the police can and should do that to people is why people need to be able to monitor them and push for accountability.

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Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 8:50 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

This just happened this month. I've never seen the inside of a jail cell so I don't know where you think I'm a criminal type. But just because you say "obviously" doesn't make it so. I'd sure like to know what stake you have in this? What department are you with? You obviously are either a cop, or have friends who are cops, or are family with someone involved. And you're poor little brain just can't grasp the concept that police have limited authority or that people have rights. I don't give 2 shits if you don't like people who seek to push for government to follow the LAW. That's your problem. Not mine. If you don't want to seek the truth out for yourself then what's it to you?

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Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 8:54 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Because they usually are. So you are accusing me of being a criminal because I dare speak against the police yet you have no proof of such. They call that Libel. I expect you produce my criminal record or make a statement that you falsely accused me of being a criminal.

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Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 9:03 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Thank you for at least acknowledging that they should make a statement regarding what I have said.

Maybe something will help me understand what or where you are coming from. Let me ask you this. In regards to already reaching in my pocket to grab my wallet at the same time he asked for id do you believe that:

A. That didn't happen
B. He can do that if he wants.
C. He can't do that under Terry v Ohio
D. I am required to ID anytime an officer asks no matter what
E. People do not have to id unless they are being detained.
F. Something else

I'm trying to come to a consensus as to what you are thinking so I can have some meaningful dialog/discussion about the fruits of what I am saying.

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 9:35 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

And exactly what has your online law degree done for you to this point?

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 9:47 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I didnt say they should, i said i wouldnt mind. Its not so much for your benefit as much as id like to hear for myself what they have to say. Even on something like that you feel the need to exaggerate. I dont really think you are a criminal, but you are a major pain in the ass. I have to admit, i wouldnt mind watching video of the cops putting the boots to you and your granny too. Nothing too crazy, just a good old fashioned ass kicking, because i think it would do you good.

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 9:48 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Not to people, just to you.

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Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 9:49 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Better re-read the post son. It speaks in general based on decades of experience. Typically people who hate the police and constantly bash have had some type of "involvement" with police.

And I would be really careful throwing around the term "libel" unless you have proof of what you're saying about the police officer. You used his name.

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Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 9:51 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

nd you're poor little brain just can't grasp the concept

Please don't insult my intelligence by saying, "you're" when the term is "your". You show your ignorance.

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Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 9:54 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

If you fail to show an i.d. after being stopped by the police, you are obstructing an investigation. If they were called to the scene because you caused an disturbance, you are subject to being investigated. It's not that tough.

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 9:55 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

jeremy, im pretty sure Granite City High School doesnt pass out law degrees, so believe me when i tell you this, you are no F. Lee Bailey.

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Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 9:56 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

There must be reasonable suspicion of a crime in order to detain you

But that's the point. As I understand your original post, you created a disturbance with the clerk. You were therefore subject to the investigative processes of the police who responded. Ergo, you were required to present your identification.

The thing I don't get is what is the big deal about giving him your I.D. People who do that typically have a reason. Now I'm curious.

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Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 9:57 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Wally, Judge Judy has created more law degrees than U of I.

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 9:57 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Ya, if hes being looked at for a disturbance he is fair game. His problem is he likes to leave a lot of things out that dont help his cause.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 10:00 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Wally, he is semi-accurate. He cites case law wherein the officers stopped an individual with no suspicious activity.

In this case, IF I understand JL's situation, he caused a disturbance in a public facility. He is therefore subject to the investigation processes around that activity. Thus the need to present his ID.

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Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 10:05 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

In an earlier post he claimed the clerk caused the disturbance. Either way an investigation had to pursue.

Now in fairness to him, I haven't watched his video nor have I read the police report. However, he claims the police "lied' about both so it's his word against theirs.

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Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 10:07 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

The fact that you are ok with police committing unlawful acts of violence and oppression says it all and it destroys any credibility you have in the matter.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 10:12 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

No, a call alone does not create a requirement to provide ID. The only disturbance was Mrs Whitaker when she started yelling. The fact that people don't want to provide ID when they are not required to means they know what their rights are and don't need a reason to exercise their right. Just because someone expects their rights to be upheld as required by law does not mean someone has something to hide, it just means that we don't have to justify our rights to the government for approval. We are not suppose to be in a police state. We do not have to answer to our employees.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 10:13 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

What city department do you work for?

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 10:18 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Even when detained or before declaring detainment of an individual they may not reach into pocket or inside clothing to take a wallet unless arrested. And if the courts determine that the detainment turned to an arrest based on the actions of going into clothing and seizing property then it will be even more unfavorable upon the City and the officer as there is established case law. This is what I'm trying to get at, some meaningful discussion, not insult hurling.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 10:20 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

What city department do you work for?

Are you saying anyone who defends an elected official works for city hall?

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Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 10:20 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I've explained I didn't cause a disturbance. Judy Whitaker started yelling. I was talking about the section of law that requires having the list I asked for. I'm not leaving things out. Look at the police report, you wanna talk about things being left out, look at the report and the video.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 10:20 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

opie, i hear you, but he gives us plenty of things to nail him on without nitpicking

for spelling and punctuation.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 10:22 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

You dont know what was said to the police on that call.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 10:24 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Exactly Opie, but he always diminishes his role.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 10:25 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I posted the video and the documents somewhere in this mess of a thread. I encourage you to watch and read the report.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 10:25 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Im only ok with it when you are the one getting B slapped.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 10:28 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

jeremy, early on i tried to sympathize with you to some degree, but you really make it difficult for me to keep that position.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 10:44 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

JL, is it the original video or the one that you claim the police deleted? I'll try to find it. I don't usually watch internet video. Is the report the official one as well?

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Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 10:45 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I know Wally but he personally insulted me. That's why I replied.

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Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 10:47 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

JL, I know what you said but regardless of "who started it", an investigation had to be initiated. That's how it works.

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Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 10:51 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

JL, again, even if Whitaker "started" the disturbance, you were a party to it. Therefore, you and probably Whitaker were questioned as to what happened.

You were asked for your ID as part of that investigation and if you didn't willingly produce it, yes, the police have the right to search you for it.

Now, if they found something on you that didn't pertain to the search, that would constitute illegal search.

I get what you're saying. Police just can't randomly stop a citizen and "demand" ID. In this case, the disturbance created the investigation.

I'm interested to see where this goes but I've explained my educated response to the questions.

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Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 11:03 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

They didnt delete the video, they cause it to stop recording. And yes. The report is from the records request I made to obtain it. The redactions made in the report were by myself to remove personal/sensitive details such as where I live and vin numbers etc. There were no redactions made by the police department. I told Judy Whitaker I was going to start recording based on her temper tantrum.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 11:35 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

But they can not reach into your pocket to take your wallet before finishing their sentence of asking for ID. That is prohibited. When I get home from the Gym I will post the relevant rulings on the matter.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by bob <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=bob' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 28, 2019, 11:43 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Jeremy - why don't you get a lawyer? It would be better to tell him about this rather than telling us.

If you don't read the papers, you're uninformed. If you read the papers, you're misinformed. - Mark Twain

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 12:06 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I was just thinking how i spell like a 4th grader is all.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 12:07 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

He doesnt need a lawyer, he thinks he is a lawyer.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 1:06 am, in reply to "City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/limits-frisks-police-officers.html

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 1:35 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

You must be the unluckiest guy in the world, to have all these laws on your side, and also to have done nothing wrong to be in the position you are in. That position is holding court on this site and somehow you have managed to have most everyone on here against you. Not evryone is all in for the clerk or the police, just all in against you.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by bob <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=bob' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 2:01 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Again - your post is telling you to contact an attorney - why don't you?

If you don't read the papers, you're uninformed. If you read the papers, you're misinformed. - Mark Twain

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 2:32 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Tell me did you hold your breath too long
under water during your military training?
Apparently not long enough?

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 2:37 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Perhaps you should FOIA Whitakers cell phone calls, if she used her personal cell phone during work hours?

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 2:48 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Really, FOIA her cell phone calls? Anything else, did she take an extra five minutes for her lunch? Look Jeremy AKA granny, if you keep this up eventually the other side is going to respond. Im afraid when that happens, its going to get real ugly for you. Just stop or do as bob suggested, consult an attorney.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by jeremylindsey <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=jeremylindsey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 2:50 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I never said I was going to sue. I am just trying to make people realize what they think they know about what police can do is not always true. My hope and goal is for people to care about what their government is doing and take an interest in reigning their government in under their control and hope people would want to make sure their government follows the law lest it causes their taxes to raise from lawsuits and the illegal/wasteful spending that is going to bankrupt the citizens. It's not those in government who are paying for their misdeeds, it's the people who are paying them.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 2:54 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Bait much? No, Im not asking if you masturbate.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 2:55 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Oh, so you are enlightening us all. Well thank you for that.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 2:58 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

He doesn't need an attorney. He has me. ROFL!

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 3:02 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

You sir are not that educated, clearly.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 3:35 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I would like to thank all the truly intelligent people for not stooping
to your level of perceived
ignorance.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 3:45 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I'll try to pass your opinion on to any lawyer who has a case in GC that involves the police.

We wouldn't want a tainted jury pool.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 3:57 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

The video speaks for itself.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 4:02 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

WRONG!

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 4:06 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

AGAIN, WHY WAS HE NOT ARRESTED?

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 4:20 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Well at least now you can say you're the second brightest bulb in the pack.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by poor ol elroy <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=poor+ol+elroy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 4:55 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

YAWN
this guy is making me sleepy again.
im gonna git my Rodney King t shirt out and go march in front of the court house i guess since i dont have any thing else to do.
Mr. Patrick has always been very nice to me, nice man. for the record, the police has never asked me for my id, i feel left out. this guy, now its nap time.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 9:13 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Perhaps you should FOIA Whitakers cell phone calls, if she used her personal cell phone during work hours?

LMA0

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Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 9:15 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

He doesn't need an attorney. He has me. ROFL!

He would be better off with the ambulance chasers.

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Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 9:17 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Granny, stop drinking so much sweetie.

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Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 9:24 am, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

JL, trust me and I say this with all sincerity. Never get law or medical information off of internet sites. Most people who post them do so with a certain spin.

They write them in a way that makes them sound like strong legal positions but that's not how they work in court. I'm a huge proponent of the first and second amendment. I know there are officers who don't always follow proper protocol. It happen.

Trust me though. The internet isn't a lawyer.

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Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 7:50 pm, in reply to "City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

Like Hilary's emails

Posted by Riverbender <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Riverbender' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 8:40 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

on her personal account so as to hide them

Re: Like Hilary's emails

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 9:30 pm, in reply to "Like Hilary's emails"

I don't know if she used her own phone or not to call the police or if perhaps she gave someone else orders to call. But we will find out.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 9:43 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

263 YEARS

hqttps://youtu.be/l8D3LLUrlQs

Re: Like Hilary's emails

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 9:44 pm, in reply to "Re: Like Hilary's emails"

Oh, im sure she is scared to death.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 9:49 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

I dont think you belong in jail, you belong in the twinkie unit of the nearest hospital that has one.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 9:53 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

granny, where is grampie, did you have him whacked for the insurance money?

Re: Like Hilary's emails

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 11:35 pm, in reply to "Re: Like Hilary's emails"

Nobody wants her to be scared. It's just public records to which is her job. Nothing more nothing less.

Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully.

Posted by granny <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=granny' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 29, 2019, 11:37 pm, in reply to "Re: City Clerk still violating the states FOIA laws willfully."

YA BOY!

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