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Blah blah blah,,,send more $$$ ro the education system

Posted by Riverbender <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Riverbender' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 5:57 pm

after all it's for the children...um isn't it?

Re: Blah blah blah,,,send more $$$ ro the education system

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 6:05 pm, in reply to "Blah blah blah,,,send more $$$ ro the education system"

Well, sure its for the children, except the 90% that isnt.

Re: Blah blah blah,,,send more $$$ ro the education system

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 6:06 pm, in reply to "Blah blah blah,,,send more $$$ ro the education system"

Maybe just level the playing field. Rich districts up in Chicago area certainly give their kids more advantages than the majority of the districts in southern Illinois.

they did not fail, because they did what their country asked of them....

Re: Blah blah blah,,,send more $$$ ro the education system

Posted by Worker A <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Worker+A' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 6:07 pm, in reply to "Re: Blah blah blah,,,send more $$$ ro the education system"

https://fox2now.com/2019/12/06/former-madison-superintendent-charged-with-stealing-50000/

Re: Blah blah blah,,,send more $$$ ro the education system

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 6:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Blah blah blah,,,send more $$$ ro the education system"

Stealing is such an ugly word, maybe Warletta was merely borrowing the money.

and the usual its the parents fault mantra

Posted by Riverbender <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Riverbender' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 7:27 pm, in reply to "Blah blah blah,,,send more $$$ ro the education system"

yet the parents pay the taxes to hire teachers that apparently dont do their job

Re: and the usual its the parents fault mantra

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 7:36 pm, in reply to "and the usual its the parents fault mantra"

The teachers pay those same taxes. In another thread, Palin laid out exactly the issue with our local school district. Chronic Truancy! If you don't know what it is people, look it up.

If, as an adult, you missed work as frequently as some of the poorly raised children, you would be fired. Yet you expect teachers to be successful when the kids don't show up.

I'll make this bet. Of the non-truants, most are probably above average students, if not in the top ten. See, their parents care. Their parents get it. Their parents realize a good education is imperative to a successful life.

However to the Miller High Life, sit on a bar stool and don't ever work parent, their kids don't have a chance.

they did not fail, because they did what their country asked of them....

Re: and the usual its the parents fault mantra

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 7:48 pm, in reply to "and the usual its the parents fault mantra"

River, if you can explain to me how many students in Granite City are very successful being taught by those same teachers, I'll be happy to listen.

Look at it this way.

Teacher XYZ stands in front of her class six hours a day. She teaches ALL children in her class from the same textbook and she uses the same methods.

She takes roll in the morning only to see that 4 of her 27 students aren't there again today.

She knows that Timmy comes from a strong home with parents who help him with homework, get him to bed on time, and support her when Timmy occasionally screws up.

Now Janie is a good girl. Her mom helps her all she can. She works two jobs but she still manages to help Janie and go to as many of her school events as possible. Janie struggles some so her teacher knows she'll have to take time away from successful Timmy to help Janie. No problem though because Timmy still gets lots more help at home.

Now little Heyward on the other hand has real issues. His dad beat his mother up and went to jail. Mom frequents bars, drinks heavily and brings home numerous "uncles". She doesn't like Heyward to get in her way. She doesn't care if he stays out late, gets up on time for school, eats or even attends school. Heyward is pretty much on his own. He tries to go to school but the kids tease him and he skips 2 days a week. When he's there, the teacher takes time away from Timmy and Janie just to help him keep his head above water.

Now it's state testing day. Jimmy is rested. Mom and dad have told him they're proud of him and they know he'll work hard on this test.

Janie's mom has tried to prepare her. She's not really up on new methods though. She gives her encouragement, tells her to be sure to eat the free breakfast at school and wishes her well.

Heyward's mommy isn't aware there's even such a thing as a state test. She could care less how he does on the test because she dropped out and can still afford her bar tab with her government check.

Are you following? This is our local district. This was described to me by a fantastic teacher when she told me of her daily struggles. It breaks her hear that she can't help Heyward as much as she wants to.

So yeah, you pay her salary with your taxes, just like I do. Hell, she pays part of her own salary, probably more of a chunk than you do.

they did not fail, because they did what their country asked of them....

Teachers do not make class interesting

Posted by Riverbender <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Riverbender' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 8:11 pm, in reply to "and the usual its the parents fault mantra"

but of course that's the parent's fault.
MAybe it is because on election day the same people get elected.

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Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 8:41 pm, in reply to "Teachers do not make class interesting"

A parent who doesn't take care of their kid? Yep, their fault.

Not sure how an election changes that but I'm open to ideas.

Some people are just low life bums. Nothing will change that.

they did not fail, because they did what their country asked of them....

Passing the buck

Posted by Palin 2020 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Palin+2020' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 9:36 pm, in reply to "Re: Teachers do not make class interesting"

It’s easier for some people to pass the buck than to take responsibility for themselves or their children.

They tend to grow up stuck in a rut, doing the same things everyday, wondering why things don’t change and blaming others for their lack of success.

Oh well.

I’m neither an educator nor a member of the schoolboard. I am also not an appointed or elected local official.

Re: Teachers do not make class interesting

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 9:39 pm, in reply to "Re: Teachers do not make class interesting"

And that's how we create second and third generation welfare recipients.

they did not fail, because they did what their country asked of them....

Re: and the usual its the parents fault mantra

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 9:39 pm, in reply to "Re: and the usual its the parents fault mantra"

Re: Teachers do not make class interesting

Posted by 3Dee <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=3Dee' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 9:42 pm, in reply to "Re: Teachers do not make class interesting"

Exactly...

Mr. Smith, I'm sorry Sebastian isn't doing so well in your class, but could you make it a little more interesting? He is quite the genius when he's playing Fortnite....maybe if you could make World History like a video game, he would grasp the concepts so much better.

Capital Punishment - Those without capital get the punishment.

Re: and the usual its the parents fault mantra

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 9:46 pm, in reply to "Re: and the usual its the parents fault mantra"

Yes, schools have students from very different backgrounds. Heyward may not be great in class but he can do a windmill dunk so his grades are just fine.

Re: Teachers do not make class interesting

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 9:48 pm, in reply to "Teachers do not make class interesting"

Its a viscous circle River, its hard to blame just one single person or profession. We save that kind of scrutiny for people involved with holding back floodwaters and easy tasks such as that.

Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?

Posted by Riverbender <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Riverbender' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 9:59 pm, in reply to "Blah blah blah,,,send more $$$ ro the education system"

That is an interesting concept. Based upon the State report card the parents might do a better job.
Maybe remove school taxes from the tax bills of those that don't send their children to the public schools.

Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 10:02 pm, in reply to "Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

I like it, pro choice for schools. Nah River, thats just for butchering babies, not everything else.

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Posted by Riverbender <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Riverbender' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 10:21 pm, in reply to "Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

The horrors of it all...for once it really being about the children instead of salaries.

Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 10:29 pm, in reply to "Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

I understand those that say teachers deserve to make more money, but then ten minutes later those same people will say teachers get into the education field because they love it, so i dont know. My sister in law is a teacher, and i have a niece that teaches also. They could have entered another field and probably made more money, but they seem happy with the choice they made.

Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 10:29 pm, in reply to "Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

Maybe remove school taxes from the tax bills of those that don't send their children to the public schools.

And then increase taxes on those families who have enough work ethic to earn a living so they can take care of the people who ignore education.

I thought you were a conservative. You sound like Bernie in that last remark.

they did not fail, because they did what their country asked of them....

Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 10:32 pm, in reply to "Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

Have you ever noticed how pissy Opie gets with cons, and how he tip toes around the liberals? Dont get me wrong Opie, i think its adorable.

Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?

Posted by Dave Williams <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Dave+Williams' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 9, 2019, 12:06 am, in reply to "Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

You idiot! Bernie would force everyone into public schools!

The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits. -Thomas Jefferson

Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 9, 2019, 12:28 am, in reply to "Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

Well of course, every mind the publik skools arent able to mold is a mind wasted as far as he is concerned.

Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?

Posted by 3Dee <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=3Dee' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 9, 2019, 6:22 am, in reply to "Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

Maybe he's not a low-information voter and knows how to nuance any one issue. Maybe in local politics he has a perspective that goes beyond the articles that are written.

And if to be conservative is to believe that education should be de-funded.....then Thank God Opie is not walking the party line.

Like I say, after yesterday, the WorkerBenderBunker crowd really were prime examples on why we NEED to continue funding education!

Where did we go wrong? ....that people are falling for fake news left and right, and just making general statements that are simply not true!

And you're disappointed in Opie for not following suit?

Fund Education and Double Down..... and broaden the powers of the truant officers!

Capital Punishment - Those without capital get the punishment.

Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?

Posted by Dave Williams <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Dave+Williams' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 9, 2019, 6:32 am, in reply to "Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

In Illinois it would be best to do what can be afforded before the ship sinks, don't you think? You rail on Trump a lot. Don't you think Illinois is in far more dire condition? And Trump didn't cause that. Pensions are literally making Illinois insolvent. Illinois only has to thank our politicians for that. Many local and county officials are benefitting greatly from this. Everyone else has to pay for the party. Your silly whimsical rhyming isn't really a fix.

The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits. -Thomas Jefferson

Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?

Posted by Riverbender <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Riverbender' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 9, 2019, 6:50 am, in reply to "Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

You got that backwards. None the less why should people that choose not to have children have to pay for those that do?
While were on it the schools have some pretty big free food lines...why should people that don't have children have to pay for meals at the schools? Based upon the results of the Granite District lets face it,,,a big expensive baby sitting service is just about what it amounts to and if people can't afford children why penalize others that make responsible financial decisions?

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Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 9, 2019, 6:52 am, in reply to "Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

Wally what I tip toe around are your post which are piles of bullshit too often. When you ramble on with no facts you make our side look stupid. I try to prove there are well educated conservatives around.

they did not fail, because they did what their country asked of them....

Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 9, 2019, 6:58 am, in reply to "Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

Yes Davey but Wally was saying we shouldn’t tax people who choose not to send their kids to school.

they did not fail, because they did what their country asked of them....

Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 9, 2019, 6:58 am, in reply to "Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

Yes Davey but Wally was saying we shouldn’t tax people who choose not to send their kids to school.

they did not fail, because they did what their country asked of them....

Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?

Posted by 3Dee <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=3Dee' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 9, 2019, 7:00 am, in reply to "Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

Illinois needs a New Constitution, and hopefully when Mike Madigan is unable to maintain his death grip on Illinois, maybe, maybe a turn around can begin.

The need for a new Constitution stems from the fact that one man has remained in charge since the ratification of the State Contitution in 1970.

Can you believe that?

That's a 50 year death grip!

Capital Punishment - Those without capital get the punishment.

Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?

Posted by Dave Williams <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Dave+Williams' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 9, 2019, 7:09 am, in reply to "Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

I absolutely agree with him. You want kids then you pay for. I would rather pay for kids to go to a private school than public. At least with private i feel like my money wouldn't be going to layers and layers of management that are not necessary. By the looks of most administration officials i know, none look like they are starving.

The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits. -Thomas Jefferson

Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?

Posted by Dave Williams <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Dave+Williams' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 9, 2019, 7:10 am, in reply to "Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

Illinois is too stupid to do any of that. Madigan's son is all ready to take over.

The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits. -Thomas Jefferson

Chronic Absentee Self Awareness

Posted by Palin 2020 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Palin+2020' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 9, 2019, 7:20 am, in reply to "Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

You seem to fight hard for chronic absentee rights?

Were you a chronic absentee?

I’d guess mostly during spelling class (or anything that required logic, numbers, empiric evidence, etc).

I’m neither an educator nor a member of the schoolboard. I am also not an appointed or elected local official.

Students bored as they are not taught

Posted by Riverbender <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Riverbender' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 9, 2019, 7:34 am, in reply to "Chronic Absentee Self Awareness"

simple answer

Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 9, 2019, 9:21 am, in reply to "Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

absolutely agree with him. You want kids then you pay for

Who paid for your time in public schools? Your parents and their friends did through taxes. It's your turn to pay back. Do we tell people who use the bus that they don't have to pay taxes for roads?

Those are some of the points of socialism that we can't avoid. We all use roads. We all are supposed to send our kids to school. Should there be waivers for people who want to send their kids to private schools? That's a long debate.

My issue with Bernie is the ongoing handouts. Free college. Free healthcare. Extra days off at business owner's expense. To me, those are above and beyond "a fair tax".

Many kids won't go to college even if it's free. So are the only people who pay this new Bernie tax people whose kids go on to college?

Should the super wealthy be taxed higher to send my kids or your kids to college? I personally don't think so. These "freebies" are the main reason that many central democrats have left the party.

Oh and we all know, if we're honest that all this "free stuff" has no way to be financially supported. I've not seen one report from any study of our economy that would support such a thing.

they did not fail, because they did what their country asked of them....

Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 9, 2019, 9:27 am, in reply to "Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

You got that backwards. None the less why should people that choose not to have children have to pay for those that do?

For the same reason they paid for yours.

It's a little thing called the Constitution. " All kids be given equal education opportunity regardless of their ethnic background, race, religion or sex". If we don't maintain an education system, we'll raise a generation of idiots incapable of supporting themselves.

they did not fail, because they did what their country asked of them....

Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?

Posted by Picard <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Picard' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 9, 2019, 10:22 am, in reply to "Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

I thought you were a conservative. You sound like Bernie in that last remark

I am not a conservative, but most that i know of are not in favor of public education. They realize it can be done much better, more efficiently, and more choice if it is privatized.

Re: and the usual its the parents fault mantra

Posted by Picard <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Picard' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 9, 2019, 10:24 am, in reply to "Re: and the usual its the parents fault mantra"

Sounds like somebody has a teacher in the family. You get pretty testy when someone enters that arena Opie, even more so than when someone starts on Mayor Ed. We all have our little red zones i suppose.

He is totally conservative when the subject matter falls north of Brighton, south of Collinsville, east of Highland, or west of the Mississippi River.

I missed that phrase in the Constitution, Could you please point it out to me

Posted by Riverbender <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Riverbender' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 9, 2019, 11:00 am, in reply to "Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

thanking you in advance for your assistance too!

Ad hominem alert

Posted by Riverbender <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Riverbender' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 9, 2019, 12:40 pm, in reply to "Re: Why hire teachers if the parents are supposed to teach the children?"

just more liberal ranting

Re: Ad hominem alert

Posted by Picard <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Picard' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 20, 2021, 1:39 pm, in reply to "Ad hominem alert"

CRT and other goodies coming to GC schools......

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