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MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 3:31 pm

The Metro-East Sanitary District filed suit at the Madison County Courthouse on Friday, enjoining the city of Granite City in an action aimed at preserving its legal remedies in response to a similar suit filed by a group of Granite City taxpayers last week.

Metro-East Sanitary District Board of Commissioners Chairman Charles Brinza said Wednesday that the suit filed last week by residents flooded in the Aug. 12 event was a case of misplaced accountability, as more than 9 inches of rain pounded the American Bottoms on Aug. 12.

"Please understand, we all feel bad when people's lives are impacted by flooding,” Brinza said in an MESD press release. “MESD was created to address levees on the Mississippi, but we feel MESD systems actually handled the rain event better than expected; less than five years ago, Pontoon Beach and Mitchell were flooded by the same amount of rain over a longer time span. Mitchell and Pontoon Beach residents were unable to flush their toilets for a week in April 2017."

MESD attributes that success to maintaining the level of Horseshoe Lake at sustainable levels and through pump repairs, which made doing so possible. Executive Director Stephen Adler stated that the level of Horseshoe Lake on the day in question made it all possible.

"We pumped most of the summer to control the lake levels,” Adler said. “Water drains by gravity, and the lowest point in the area is Horseshoe Lake. If you control the lowest point in an area, you control the drainage if the adjoining channels are clear. The North Pump Station pumps were all operational on the day of the event."

Furthermore, MESD states the flood was an exceptional event, and that adjoining channels weren’t clear. MESD maintains that the city of Granite City was responsible for conveying it water so it could be drained.

" MESD can only process what water it receives, and MESD owns less than 1 percent of the linear feet of storm sewers in Granite City,” Adler said. “In addition, Granite City holds the only Environmental Protection Agency permit to drain storm water on behalf of the city".

Brinza stated MESD has photographs from the day of the flood, including photographs of Granite City infrastructure. He added that many storm sewers had been paved over by the city, resulting in localized flooding on a neighborhood by neighborhood basis.

In the suit, MESD also states that the majority of flooding was related to the sanitary sewer system, owned in full by the city of Granite City, which was overwhelmed by a locally accepted practice of discharging sump pumps into the sanitary sewer system, a practice which only pumps the same storm water into adjacent homes, now mixed with toxic sanitary effluent. This practice also violates the state plumbing code and EPA regulations. In Granite City, the mayor also serves as the director of public works, and as such is responsible for maintaining its sewer and storm drainage lines.

When laws do not apply to those who make them, people are not being governed, they are being ruled. ~ Judge Michael McHaney

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Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 4:41 pm, in reply to "MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

"widely accepted practice"? You mean they actually think the city condones illegally dumping sump pumps into the sanitary line?

Also, in the "newer" parts of town, aren't the sanitary and storm sewers different lines going different places? I know in downtown, both systems share the same line.

Of course this lawsuit is in answer to the MESD being sued because of the drainage ditches that were in bad shape the day of the flood. Also, the pumps were not turned on until later in the day after it was discovered the community was flooded.

The city needs to put every employee of MESD on a stand, under oath and that will come out.

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Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 4:59 pm, in reply to "MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

I still wanna know who signed off on storm sewers being paved over and flow restricted to the primary lines.

When laws do not apply to those who make them, people are not being governed, they are being ruled. ~ Judge Michael McHaney

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 5:02 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

Its a widely accepted practice in State Park, Opie.

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Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 5:10 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

The thing is blu is that many people dont really care about what the real truth is. They come to a fast conclusion right out of the gate and then they seek out comments from others that support them, and ignore everyone else. Ya, thats pretty much how it works. Its heart breaking for those that suffered losses, but even Stevie Wonder could see that this episode didnt come close to the devastation of 2017. But no matter, we simply cant let the actual truth get in the way of a good opinion, not when we have political implications to consider. Since we like to limit others from commenting on certain topics, or at least hold their opinions in a lower regard, maybe only engineers should be allowed to monday morning quarterback flooding issues.

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 5:12 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

Well blu, i can tell you the Adler bad response to your question...... Ah Blue, that didnt have a damn thing to do with it.

I missed the "widely accepted practice part"

Posted by Riverbender <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Riverbender' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 6:15 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

however I did read "sump pumps puming (sic) into the sanitary sewers as a "locally accepted practice of discharging sump pumps into the sanitary sewer system.'"
Years ago it was pretty common to route sump pumps into the sanitary sewer systems. Think about it. What other sewer was available to pump into not that long ago for owners of properties with sump pumps? Basement floor drains are commonly hooked into the sanitary sewers as well and while current homes are built differently older homes wern't. I can't say for sure on this but I have noticed a lot of older homes had their gutters drain into what appears to be a sewer as well making me wonder were they hooked into the storm sewers or the sanitary sewers? Back in the day the sewers were simply a gravity fueled pipe to the river...how times have changed.

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Stephen Adler <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Stephen+Adler' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 6:37 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

Mr. OP, I stand by my press release on this matter, and your comments don't reflect what it said; furthermore, the urban myth regarding MESD having pumps available that somehow "turn on" by command and "pump the city dry" is just that...an urban myth.

The situation is unfortunate for taxpayers at all levels.

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 6:52 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

Stop it, i suppose you are going to say next that magic dust isnt real.

Re: I missed the "widely accepted practice part"

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 7:18 pm, in reply to "I missed the "widely accepted practice part""

River, my gutter downspouts are extended from my home underground and out into my yard where the water comes up through a pop up drain head and disperses into the grass. My sump pump, which fortunately doesn't have to run too often, does much the same only it's dispersed over a gravel area in my back yard.

I know people tie into their sewers but I don't think the city " condones " it as was stated by the MESD board representative. Keep in mind though that he's covering his ass.

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Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 7:21 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

"We pumped most of the summer to control the lake levels,” Adler said.

Sure sounds to me like you pump on demand.

What part of your comments are not correctly reflected on? I'd be careful what you put in print right now. Your employees may not have the same viewpoint.

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Posted by Stephen Adler <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Stephen+Adler' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 7:24 pm, in reply to "I missed the "widely accepted practice part""

Riverbender filling gutter storm water (or sump pump seepage) into the sanitary sewer system only pushes your stormwater into your neighbor's house;only now, it's mixed with sewage effluent. It's a serious code violation today, but your point is correct...it was widely practiced many years past.

Proactive municipalities ensure that these connections are eliminated through smoke testing and occupancy inspections. Does your community smoke test the sanitary sewers? If not, call your Director of Public Works, and ask why not?

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 7:24 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

I still wanna know who signed off on storm sewers being paved over and flow restricted to the primary lines.

I would agree that there is a problem. NO doubt the catch basin pictured does not have the full opening it did at one time. That restricts water flow into the sewer and floods street surfaces. At least it would appear to. But that is surface water and wouldn't have anything to do with water coming up in basements.

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Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 7:25 pm, in reply to "Re: I missed the "widely accepted practice part""

Can ya'll collect rain water in GC, Opie?

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Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 7:29 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

I've read and seen news reports where sections of road have collasped because of that.

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Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 7:32 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

Wally, of course a smaller opening means less water getting into the catch basin itself. I'm not an engineer but that only makes sense.

However, and here's where I would just like Adler to take a little responsibility, streets that border the ditch spill directly into the ditch.

Example, a catch basin on a street like Roger, runs through an easement between yards, under the bike trail system and into the ditch. Once the ditch is full, or water is restricted getting to the ditch by all the overgrown vegetation and trash, it backs up in the pipes and onto the streets. That has nothing to do with the sanitary lines like those downtown.

Turn the water on full blast in your bathroom sink. Slightly open the stopper so the water doesn't go down as fast as it is going in. Same thing with the ditch. In your bathroom, you end up mopping up a mess. In MESD world, they send people out to clean and cut the ditches a few weeks later.

This doesn't excuse the fact that city sewers are old and in need of repair and replacement. That will take big bucks and a major tax increase.

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Re: I missed the "widely accepted practice part"

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 7:33 pm, in reply to "Re: I missed the "widely accepted practice part""

Blu, I don't but I assume some people do. I knew a guy once who collected it and hooked a sprinkler to it to water his lawn.

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Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 7:35 pm, in reply to "Re: I missed the "widely accepted practice part""

Years ago the city did smoke test sewer lines. An engineer friend of mine, Mr. Hanke suggested the practice if memory serves. I don't know how the results were or if citations were issued. Most of my neighbors use the same method I do at my house. None of us get water in our basements.

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Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 7:42 pm, in reply to "Re: I missed the "widely accepted practice part""

I had read somewhere that ordinances were written against it because you would then be supplying open water for mosquitoes to breed. But, a closed system being fed directly from the downspout would avoid that. Water is starting to be very expensive.

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Re: I missed the "widely accepted practice part"

Posted by Riverbender <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Riverbender' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 7:58 pm, in reply to "Re: I missed the "widely accepted practice part""

Yes I understand. My house does the same thing with a rock bed and drain tile around the foundation that feeds a sump pump that drains out in the yard as well as the gutters. I was just pointing out that years ago based upon my experiences everything just about was run into a homes sanitary sewer. It would not surprise me if many of the older homes in our area continue to do the same today.
WHen I was young I remember my grandmother having to put a plug type contraption in the basement floor drain because of water coming in when there were heavy rains. I can't say for sure but it would not surprise me that that drain ended up in the sanitary sewers. I do not think there were sewer plant back then as the general consensus was that the river could simply wash all sewage away.
I also remember fish being in the cooling water at the old coke plant and being told the water came straight from the river. I never saw a drain though but maybe they used all the excess in the quencher thinking on this and the bug rusty spots on the horizontal surfaces of many a car in the area back then.

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Stephen Adler <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Stephen+Adler' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 8:06 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

I stand by my press release, and my comments. You (or whomever is advising you) doesn't understand the process. Had someone at MESD understood the process...why...I would have never been hired after the spring floods of 2017.

Because whomever was in charge in 2017 either didn't understand the process, or they just didn't care.

It's one or the other, Mr. OP.

Give me a call on Monday (618-452-9400) and I would be pleased to walk you through the process. While I won't hold my breath, I'll keep a slot available.

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 8:07 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

I would have reported high vegetation if I felt it could possibly impede water flow.

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Re: I missed the "widely accepted practice part"

Posted by Riverbender <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Riverbender' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 8:09 pm, in reply to "Re: I missed the "widely accepted practice part""

I know my community does. I have seen it in action but didn't want to comment on that being usureif they test the sanitary sewers as well as the storm sewers. I know nothing of these things, codes and rules but do know I have seen many an older home that had clay pipes coming out of the ground where the gutters were connected to at one time. Occasionally one will still find isolated situations here and there regarding the gutters but don't think that smoke test would work in all cases regarding pumps. Most people in the situation simply just would not know the newer rules. While it might be unfortunate but things happen. I will add that I am no great fan of retroactively applied building codes because quite simply many can not afford to come into compliance with many of the new rules. None the less it is a self correcting situation as building become replaced with newer buildings.

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Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 8:17 pm, in reply to "Re: I missed the "widely accepted practice part""

I remember years ago, some man tried to build, I believe, a residential subdivision over a subterranean river in the Mitchell area and it was shut down.

Bad feelings erupted everywhere.

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Re: I missed the "widely accepted practice part"

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 8:17 pm, in reply to "Re: I missed the "widely accepted practice part""

Blu, my neighbor had his downspouts piped directly into two very attractive, covered barrels. He then had some type of faucet set up with a small pump. He hooked his hoses and sprinklers to them and watered grass all summer. I thought it was very creative.

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Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 8:19 pm, in reply to "Re: I missed the "widely accepted practice part""

It is, and very resourceful as well.

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Re: I missed the "widely accepted practice part"

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 8:20 pm, in reply to "Re: I missed the "widely accepted practice part""

River, I'm sure in our older areas there are numerous abuses.

I was told once as well that when the steel plant was in full swing, they would pump ground water for cooling and other processes. That water was then dumped into the lake. In later years, the tree hugging community put a stop to that and as a result, we have an extremely higher water table which has helped to destroy our sewer system.

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Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 8:26 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

why...I would have never been hired after the spring floods of 2017.

LMAO, good one!

I realize you don't have something as simple as a light switch that you turn off and on. However, if you can't tell me that there aren't emergency procedures in place that allow you to control the flow of water into and out of that lake.

No, I won't be calling you. I'll wait to see how the law suits work out. That of course is IF the current parties are in charge at the time.

It appears that you're not willing to take any accountability for our community flooding. While it's not all on MESD, clearly the ditches were a problem or you would not have reacted a couple of weeks after the flood.

Thanks for your responses though. At least you present a case.

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Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 8:28 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

It was reported Blu. High weeds, trash, shopping carts and even a recliner were reported by people along the ditch. At one point Mr. Adler said, "we're not in charge of the ditches". That may have been the problem. He couldn't fix what he didn't know was his to fix.

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 8:31 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

I dont dont remember whoever that guy was in 2017 catching 1/1000th of the grief that you have. Does anyone even know his name, or care? I dont... Not at all, it was the townships fault until they punted to the village, then it was the villages fault until they were smart enough to bring in an engineer to face the mob. I guess other areas it was the same thing, um ugh, its nobodies fault. The engineer said the magic words, its a flood plain, flood plains flood.
But no, something changed and the time for blaming everyone while blaming noone is over.

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 8:34 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

Wally, the Village of Pontoon, according to their Mayor, installed new drainage pipes under Highway 162 and the bike trail along that route. Those new pipes, paid for by the residents, kept the village from flooding in August.

I think the Mayor said they got no help from the county with the expense of that project. Could be wrong on that part though.

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Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 8:49 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

At the meeting they talked about just that, but no guarantees were givin. Dont quote me on this, but i think the term used was tinkering around the edges, and doing what we can do. An added pump also was to be added at Mallard Park. People seemed happy after the meeting, well most anyway. Continually it was stated that any real long term fix would be very costly, and that the money was just not available. Nobody wants to be flooded, it happened to me years ago and it sucked. BUT.... when the engineers say, a real fix will cost money that we dont have, that doesnt leave a hell of a lot of gray area.

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 8:57 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

The biggest joke is that mandatory flood insurance doesnt cover anything.

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 8:58 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

Wally, money cures a lot of ailments. None of us want to pay for it though. We live in an older community. Maybe if the feds stop playing the impeachment game, they'll pass an infrastructure bill that will help.

I'm blessed. Built my house properly and never had so much as a drop of water in the basement.

I didn't realize you lived in the village. Your mayor has it together. He knows he can't deliver filet mignon but he sure can deliver a hell of a pizza. I lover your memorial park behind the old Bank of Edwardsville. Very touching to see the "boots and rifles" tributes.

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Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 8:59 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

I think we can all agree on that comment Wally. Insurance companies are useless.

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Posted by Worker A <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Worker+A' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 9:03 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

The guy in charge in 2017 didnt catch 1/1000 of what Adler does because he was a Democrat ( incompetent at that). But he was Brother Eddies big buddy so he was off limits.

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Stephen Adler <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Stephen+Adler' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 9:15 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

I'm good with everything I've said as factual.
I'm responsible for all that has or hasn't been accomplished during my tenure at my post.

I refuse to spend a 20 minute stint in the Madison County Jail for feeding trolls, and on the advice of my attorney, I bid you all good night and Merry Christmas.

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 9:15 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

We couldn't even get FEMA help.

When laws do not apply to those who make them, people are not being governed, they are being ruled. ~ Judge Michael McHaney

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 9:17 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

Exactly, he did not over promise, but nobody was pointing fingers either. I think if Adler had been running things then, he would have been strung up with a chain and dragged by the neck all over the county. AND YET the MESD came out of that mess pretty much unscathed. Thats my entire bitch, why all of a sudden this MESD hate?? If Adler has to be the sacrificial lamb for this, then maybe we need to do a whole lot of rounding up from 2017 and even prior to that. You can do most everything right and bad things can still happen. What they are trying to do to this guy just isnt right. Look at what goes on in this state and nobody is ever held accountable for anything, but they want to ruin this guy. I couldnt point him out in a two man lineup, i just know hes being treated unlike any other in his position or a similar position that ive ever seen.

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 9:18 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

Ya, good idea, you wouldnt want to miss a comma or a period, someone may decide to sue you.

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Wally Bunker <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Wally+Bunker' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 9:23 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

In a gazillion years i never would have guessed that.

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Worker A <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Worker+A' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 9:30 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

It is also no big secret on what ails your sewer system there. Decades of neglect unless something catastrophic happens as it did a few years ago on Johnson road. Ridiculous pension systems have a way of hamstringing a state.

Re: I missed the "widely accepted practice part"

Posted by Riverbender <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Riverbender' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 9:31 pm, in reply to "Re: I missed the "widely accepted practice part""

I didn't know that but certainly can believe it. It probably happened up and down the bottoms from Alton to Cahokia and all places in between. Without discussing the rights and wrongs of it all...at one time there were sure a lot of jobs in the area.

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 9:52 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

Wise attorney. Merry Christmas to you as well.

Protest: a statement or action expressing disapproval of or objection to something.
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Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 9:54 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

Personally, I'm thankful the Village has Mayor Pagano and I am also very thankful that MESD has Steven Adler.

I read the minutes from their meetings and Mr. Adler is always on top of things regarding his position there as Director.

As far as that ditch is concerned, they have well paid and benefit bulging Superintendents responsible for the day to day field operations.

According to a news article by KSDK, Mayor Hagnauer stated, "the ditch," a channel that drains water for the eastern side of Granite City, the maintenance of which is contracted out to a third-party had not been maintained properly.

This may or may not be "the ditch". I dunno.
Anyway, if it is .. I don't think MESD would contract to do grass cutting with the massive responsibility of levees.

Could be wrong ..

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When laws do not apply to those who make them, people are not being governed, they are being ruled. ~ Judge Michael McHaney

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 9:56 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

Wally my only issue with him is his arrogance and refusal to admit he let the ditches fall in disrepair the last two years. He even wrongly stated they weren’t under his control.

His predecessor took criticism too.

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Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 9:59 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

Blu, MESD is the third party

Protest: a statement or action expressing disapproval of or objection to something.
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Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Dave Williams <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Dave+Williams' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 10:00 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

His predecessor should have taken criticism. He was incompetent!!!

The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits. -Thomas Jefferson

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Wrong

The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits. -Thomas Jefferson

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 10:03 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

Who is the third party Dave

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Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 10:04 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

And why were MESD employees cutting the ditches two weeks later?

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Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by 3Dee <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=3Dee' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 10:32 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

The Orange Messiah wouldn't even help?

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Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Worker A <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Worker+A' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 10:37 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

FEMA shouldn't even exist at the federal level.

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 10:43 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

Oh geez, are you blaming Trump for the 2015 flood event in Pontoon Beach?

He didn't even take office until January 20, 2017.

When laws do not apply to those who make them, people are not being governed, they are being ruled. ~ Judge Michael McHaney

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 7, 2019, 10:51 pm, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

j/k 3Dee

But, Obama could care less about trailer parks flooding and even thought seeing police cars being turned over and torched made for some entertaining TV.

When laws do not apply to those who make them, people are not being governed, they are being ruled. ~ Judge Michael McHaney

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by 3Dee <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=3Dee' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 7:39 am, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

You mean Obama didn't help either?

Oh well, keeping all these flood events straight, I guess I needed a nap myself.

Let's do it Worker's way... we don't need FEMA, tear down the levees and no more pump repairs. Doggone it, TAXATION IS THEFT....so just return the old river back to its natural state and do like they did in the olden days...

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Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by poor ol elroy <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=poor+ol+elroy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 7:47 am, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

In order to have an opinion or be opinionated, one should be more educated on how both the city sewers, ditches work and also understand what the MESD is responsible for, and actually how the system works. Most on here dont.
Mr. Adler has done a good job, and we are lucky to have him and most of his workers. It doesnt take much understanding to look at his picture of the main pipes that are responsible for draining the city at 11 am the morning of the flood, and see that they were only about half full. Stevie Wonder, Ronnie Milsap, and Ray Charles could even see that. NO, the main pumps at the river,(watch this part, AT THE RIVER), werent working because they werent needed because the water couldnt drain out of the city.
The problems we have had in the past should be over, the right people are in place who are trying to do the job they are getting paid to do. This is too much for me to be discussing this early, getting dizzy, a nap is approaching.

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by Worker A <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Worker+A' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 8:26 am, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

Here you go 3d. Thisnis why there should be no FEMA

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Text

Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 8, 2019, 8:34 am, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

Hard to think of an old redneck like you as educated Elroy. LOL You obviously didn't see the pictures of an overflowing ditch clogged with foliage and debris. Merry Christmas.

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Posted by Picard <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Picard' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 9, 2019, 10:20 am, in reply to "Re: MESD files legal action against Granite City over August flooding"

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