Maybe something will help me understand what or where you are coming from. Let me ask you this. In regards to already reaching in my pocket to grab my wallet at the same time he asked for id do you believe that:
A. That didn't happen
B. He can do that if he wants.
C. He can't do that under Terry v Ohio
D. I am required to ID anytime an officer asks no matter what
E. People do not have to id unless they are being detained.
F. Something else
I'm trying to come to a consensus as to what you are thinking so I can have some meaningful dialog/discussion about the fruits of what I am saying.