Well, an effort was made, but my well-documented butterfingers are not up to the challenge of these little works of art, so I'm passing them on to someone with better eye-hand coordination, while my Isha settles for a nice pair of Paul Zhangbys that are at my level. The shoes are out of their packaging, but in excellent shape since I was afraid of damaging them, $20 plus shipping in the US only. Refs available. booktigress@aol.com