They are a bit unique in their own way,but always good to have comparisons.Many things are human things.That interests me very much.It isn't anymore for me,that a tropical country is very far.No--you can find the same things in their culture as yours. Yours sincerelly:
Dear Mister Buyers;
I see on pictures and read in articles about them and see,that the kings of Walis/Futuna are treated as such.
Many peoples always are immigrants and always come from somewhere.
Yes,Tonga is more royal like,than Uvea,but on Timor I found areas,where before the Raja was also regarded as semi-god and now nearly totally not anymore.But in a few isolated areas on nearby Rote(so people still in their own way of living),the leaders are just their kings.
I mean:a nominal king in a country with much people,but the people only life modern for themselves has less power,than a leader of an isolated culture,who still life really together.
I agree for the most of your talking and I agree it is always a very difficult item:is it a king,or justa chief.
DP Tick
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: Hello Donald,
:
: But it isn't a Euorpean/non-European thing
: at all.
:
: As I tried to point out, there is a very big
: difference between Wallis and Futuna and
: other Pacific polities. There is a huge
: difference between, say, the kingdoms of
: Tonga and Hawaii and Uvea. One does no need
: to go to Europe, India or Rote to find
: comparisons. They are available close by in
: very similar cultures.
:
: Uvea was largely peopled by immigrants from
: Tonga, having originally formed part of the
: Tongan empire. The Lavelua, although also
: called Tu'i Uvea, does not even have
: anything like the permanency of a Tongan
: noble.
:
: --Previous Message--
: Dear reader;
:
: Yes,you are right.But when the monarch is
: there and functioning,then he is regarded as
: real monarch.That happened before:a king is
: regarded as a real king,but when he is
: disliked,be3cause of not functioning,he is
: nothing afterwards.
: I know the Rote and Savu islands near
: Timor.The monarchs there are respected as
: monarchs,although some of the more little
: principalities on Rote just begin with a
: couple of thousand inhabitants.
: When he is functioning good he is regarded
: as a real monarch and respected as symbol of
: their own people government system.But when
: he is no good,he is just chased away as a
: dog.
: When you see the Lavelua of Uvea(King of
: Wallis),he is treated by his people as areal
: king.
: Different from a chief of an Indian tribe in
: USA.
: Okay:total of inhabitants of Wallis- and
: Futuna islands are just 14.000 locally and
: 15.000 outside the area.That is compared
: with UK of Great Britain not very much,but
: you can consider it,that he is here also a
: sort of father of his people.If you are a
: father of 19.000 people(also the outside
: people still keep contact with their
: homeland and most regard the local king of
: their area really as their king),you really
: can be seen as a king.That was before:a king
: was a father of his people and a wise king
: should be such a person.Really.
: In Europe it is a bit changed,but always as
: a monarch go back to your duty roots.
:
: Yours sincerelly: DP Tick
:
: --Previous Message--
:
: --Previous Message--
: Dear readers;
:
: Better look at this Princess Etua,who might
: be the next Queen of Uvea.Some say,that
: these are just chiefs,but the world(God)left
: them to life this way,so why not call them
: sort of Kings.The rule here is centralised
: and in areas with chiefs it is not always
: that way.
: The Prince of Monaco is also not a chief,but
: a monarch.
: Yours sincerelly: DP Tick gRMK/Pusaka.
:
: But the situaion in Wallis and Futuna is
: precisely the opposie of what you say. It
: isn't very centralised. The country is very
: different from the other pacific kingdoms of
: say Tonga or Hawaii.
:
: If the ministers, powerful district or
: village chiefs decide they do not like the
: Lavelua they easily depose him and elect
: someone else from a different family. Some
: of them have only lasted a few months.
: Frequently they cannot agree and there are
: periodic interregnums.
:
: All five predecessors of Tomasi Kulimoetoke
: II Lavelua were either deposed or forced to
: resign due to pressure from some party or
: another.
:
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