- Re: CRNA - upset about article/Attention to Lori Dowell RN, MSN, CRNA & CRNAs who are Anti AA-C. Archived Message
Posted by DC on March 13, 2009, 9:26 pm, in reply to "CRNA - upset about article"
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The Real CRNA Truth "FEAR" vs. AAs/AA-Cs/RN,AA-Cs. Hi Lori CRNA, I would like to share a little information with you, maybe your negative views regarding AA-Cs will change. I will repeat what you stated in your post. I will say that I don't want anyone without health care back ground taking care of my family members, or any patient for that matter. As a Critical Care Nurse prior to anesthesia school I know I obtained invaluable experience that when combine with anesthesia education, helps me to care for my patients at an entirely different level than an AA. Just as T mention in his post you have "bad" MDAs, "bad" DOAs, "bad" AA-Cs, and Yes even "bad" CRNAs as well across the board. Lets not forget what happen last year 2008 in Nevada when your so call 5 Superior CRNAs infected several hundred patients with hepatitis C+, B+ and possible HIV+. Oh and lets not forget the 1 CRNA in Oklahoma who also infected several patients with Hep C+, I'm sure they all had several years of ICU experience along with their CCRN Certification plus over 100 years of experience as a nurse anesthetist. How ignorant think before you talk or before you make a bad comment about someone or someones profession. Okay Lori explain to me what's the difference between a CRNA vs. a RN,AA-C ? example: CRNA ROUTE, Case Western Reserve University School of Nursing NA program GRE test. 1. RN, BSN = 4 years + 2 years specialty Trauma ICU experience, ACLS Certified, CVVHD, CCRN Certified, + 2.5 years CRNA program (Anesthetist) = 6.5 years of school = RN, MSN, CRNA, in Anesthesia in nursing. Starting salary as a new "grad" in the ACT model = $140,000 ("Nursing"). AA-C ROUTE, Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine AA program MCAT test only. 2. RN, BSN = 4 years + 2 years specialty CVICU experience, ACLS Certified, CVVHD, IABP, CCRN Certified, + 2.5 years AA program (Anesthetist) = 6.5 years of school = RN, MSA, RN,AA-C, in Anesthesiology. Starting salary as a new "grad" in the ACT model = $140,000 ("Medicine"). Attn: 2 years of ICU experience and/or obtaining other certification within the hospital does not count as total years being in school. Your on a job, not in a University or College classroom. Here is another FACT: a RN, BSN who went AA-C route. She also stated she wants to bridge the gap between AA-Cs and CRNAs. CONTACT NAME AA's Name (Preferred Name in parenthesis if desired): Rebecca Barrow, RN, MMSc., AA-C POSITION DESIRED Brief Description of Candidate: Thirteen years experience as an Certified Anesthesiologist Assistant and twenty-three years experience as a Registered Nurse (BSN). Full Time, Locum Tenens, & Part Time. Other: Bariatrics, Major Spine, Plastics, Endoscopy, Radiology, Cardioversion, Off-site anesthetics etc. Practice settings preferred: Both Academic and Private Practice. QUALIFICATIONS AA School attended: Emory University, Atlanta, GA BS in Nursing (Bachelor's of Science) and MMSc. in Anesthesiology (Masters of Medical Science) from Emory University School of Medicine. Check which Life Support card your currently have: ACLS OTHER Hold two licenses as a Registered Nurse in Texas and Georgia. ESSENTIAL INFORMATION Frequently commended for fast turn-overs. Strong ability with "major" cases and have performed hundreds of bypasses and lap bands). Excellent team member with strong knowledge base and ability to adapt quickly. ANY QUESTIONS ! May I ask: 1.What state do you live in? 2.Do AA-Cs work in your state? 3.Have you ever met an AA-C? 4.Do you have AA-Cs working at your institution hospital and/or outpatient surgery center? As you stated in your post how can anyone without the education & experience of a health care provider improve the quality care standards?. In case your unaware of AA education I will be more than happy to share that with you. Keep in mind the vast majority AA-Cs that have education & experience of health care provider with direct patient care who are also ACLS/PALS/& NALS Certified with a Bachelor's degree when entering AA program they are RRT, Cer.ATs/Cer.ATTs, RCPs, CCPs, PMs, EMTs MTs, CSTs, SAs (Surgical Assistant), CVTs and yes RNs as well. All AA-Cs must have obtain an undergraduate degree Bachelor's of Science (BS, BSc., BSH) or Bachelor's of Arts (BA) with pre-med core curriculum (rigorous  ), AA-Cs must then take the MCAT ) or GRE, the average AA student completes 600 hours of classroom/laboratory education, 2600 hours of clinical anesthesia education, and administers more than 600 anesthetics, during all types of surgical and diagnostic procedures, which are required to successfully complete AA training. In conclusion Lori CRNA, as you can see AA-Cs are very strong anesthetists, and nurses must still take all the pre-med standard courses and take the MCAT or GRE with full laboratory hours, full clinical anesthesia education hours, and 600 anesthetics. whether you have 2, 5 or 8 years of ICU experience when going AA route. In my opinion it's "FEAR" and Ignorance from CRNAs stand point vs. AA/AA-C/RN,AA-C. Why? Many of the younger CRNAs have been so drilled into the political process that opposes AA licensure they see AA-Cs as a political issue and direct competition FACT!. If your not on here to support and/or learn more about the true quality of AA-Cs (Considered as Physician extenders Anesthetist) and respect for your fellow nurses (RN,BSN) who functions as an Allied Health Nurse Anesthetist (RN,AA-C). I have tremendous respect for nurses in general but I have to admit since learning about the CRNA profession looking on the inside, I am very disappointed and disgusted in the way the vast majority of CRNAs act towards AA-Cs (Not all CRNAs agree with their colleague) and their fellow ICU nurses who are AA-Cs. In all honesty if I was an RN, BSN working in ICU today and I wanted to become an anesthetist trust me I would definitely not be CRNA route. It would definitely go AA route, no offense but I do not want to be with organization association that brain wash nurses to become Anti AA-C (In other words "HATE"). Please do me a favor take your negative comments somewhere else, life is to short for this nonsense. May God bless you, I have no hatred towards you good always prevail over evil. I will say try learning from Rebecca RN, MMSc, AA-C, Dave J CRNA, and T. Good day  Future Anesthetist AA-C, MMSc., Cer.AT, BSH, ACLS |
