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    Posted by DC on December 12, 2007, 12:27 pm, in reply to "Re: (no subject)"

    Hi NeuroQueen I was wondering when Anesthesia Technician&Technologist was going to be acknowledge there are a lot of Cer.A.T.s&Cer.A.T.T.s who have extensive clinical experience that also holds a B.S.or A.S.degrees in health science.

    Don't forget you also have Perfusion's(CCPs), RCPs Cer.A.T.s&Cer.A.T.T.s, and BSN(nurses)who are AA-Cs with a lot of clinical skills.Which means we as Cer.A.T.s&A.T.T.s, CCPs, RRTs,and RCPs ARE and CAN be ACLS and PALS certified.

    But let me trun this around ?...I'm going to make up a name Joe...Before Joe be came a nurse he was working in a department store he decides he want to become a nurse. Joe had no type of clinical skills what so ever he didn't know anything about BLS, BCLS, ACLS, PALS, life saving drips. Such as Norepi, Levo, Dopamine or should I say pressers ect.

    Operating Intra Aortic Balloon Pumps, PA Swan Ganz Catheter, Double lumen Central line, working the Crash Cart, Operating Cell Saver Machine, taking care of a patient on a RotoRest Bed, Oscillator high frequency ventilator, etc. the list goes on and on.

    The point I'm trying to make is before Joe became a nurse he had no Pryor of any I.C.U. or critical care experience he had to learn along the way that's why they have what is called Clinical rotation and a preceptor(nurse). When they first come to the unit after graduation or passing there boards they are still LOST WHEN THEY ENTER an I.C.U. with no clue where to start or what to do TRUST ME. They only know what they were taught in school BOOK SENCE but NOT CLINICAL. They are TRAINED AND TAUGHT AS THEY GO! Trust me I work in a I.C.U. Some nurses made it some nurses didn't make it as a I.C.U. NURSE. while they were on orientation 3to6months when they didn't cut it they had to either go to a step down unit or on the floor as a staff nurse. and then come back to I.C.U. when you have your basic pack down.

    In closing It's about what you put into your job I have seen ADNs(2year nurse)who have more clinical skills than the BSNs(4year nurse)I've seen ADNs(nurse) put rings around the BSNs(nurse)and vise versa I've seen BSNs(nurse)put rings around the ADNs(nurse). Again IT'S WHAT YOU PUT INTO YOUR JOB personally I don't see any difference every body have to start from some where. If that's the case then it should be that ALL NEW GRAD NURSES MUST! and SHOULD! WORK ON the the floor first as a staff nurse then move to a step down unit(IMU)and then move to I.C.U. but that doesn't happen the vast majority of new grad nurses go straight into I.C.U. coming out of nursing school with no type of clinical or critical care experience what so ever which I think is Dangerous.

    The vast majority of new grad nurses go straight into I.C.U. not even having their ACLS or PALS certification most of them have to obtain there certification with in 90 days of hire into I.C.U..I have seen new grad nurses freak out when they patient CODE in front of them and DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL TO DO or WHAT THEY WERE DOING. The preceptor nurse would tell them to step back watch and learn or record. Oh but they went to nursing school they have I.C.U. experience(critical care) there a R.N. they can do it FUNNY ISN'T IT ?. I even had a New grad nurse ask me AND I'M NOT EVEN A NURSE D WHAT IS ATROPINE or EPI but been there for several months should already know again SCARRY ISN'T IT? I had to point to them what emergency drugs was which YES I HAVE WORKED THE CRASH CART IT'S WHAT MY NURSES TAUGHT ME.

    But as the weeks, months, and years past they learned and became proficient in there clinical. If you you have what it takes to catch on fast and your determine to learn quick and to be the best I.C.U. nurse that just graduated from nursing school then I say GO FOR IT YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT.

    I feel the same way with the AA-Cs if you have what it takes to go into Anesthesia to be the best and safe Anesthetist and your a quick learner and catch on fast with no I.C.U. experience I say GO FOR IT YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT! that's why AA-Cs have extensive clinical training in the O.R. It's the perfect place to learn just as an I.C.U.nurse. AA-Cs handle every patient from ALL I.C.U.s specialties including E.R., IMUs, and Floor patients STATUS IT'S CALLED LEARN AS YOU GO! just like I.C.U. nurses.


    In fact a lot of AA-Cs already have there ACLS&PALS certification before they apply to AA school just like CRNAs if you don't have your ACLS&PALS certification you do obtain it with in so many semester in AA school. NEXT ANOTHER SMOKE SREEN COMING ONCE AGAIN FROM CRNAs.

    AA-C s are trained by Anesthesia Residents Doctors(MDA)and Anesthesiologist Assistants Certified(Anesthetist-AA-C)when they start clinical. Once again CRNAs using dirty tactics to keep AA-Cs out from practicing, CRNAs schools also have a O.R. were they practice and learn too trust me don't let them fool you. If the CRNAs could go with out 1-2 years ICU experience and it wasn't required trust me the vast majority would do it I guarantee you. The bottom line CRNAs are going to still have to be trained because the clinical training is on a Master Level which mean they have to have Didactic, Clinical, and Laboratory Classroom learning on a Master Level not on B.S. level just as the AA-Cs profession.

    If that's the case then(CRNAs) wouldn't have a Mock O.R. just as AA school dose to do there clinical&training It's a different entity when your doing Anesthesia. Meaning CRNAs would come straight out of ICU after 1-2 years experience and say your qualified to put patients under Anesthesia? NOT IT DOSEN'T WORK THAT WAY IT"S A MASTER LEVEL PROGRAM some of you CRNAS would be ignorant enough to say yes I can do it on B.S. LEVEL very SAD because oh wait a minute I'm a nurse. AA-C have been doing fine with no problems for the past 35years and counting. like the old saying if it ain't broke don't fix it.Please go do your politics somewhere else.


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