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Bates, Walker & Co /Etruscan Vases pattern Posted by Susan on August 12, 2010, 6:22 pm Hello, I am looking to learn about Bates, Walker & Co transferware; specifically, the Etruscan Vases pattern. Is there anyone who can give me information on this manufacturer / pattern? Thank you, Susan

Re: Bates, Walker & Co /Etruscan Vases pattern Posted by Sarah Eigen on September 22, 2010, 2:09 pm, in reply to "Bates, Walker & Co /Etruscan Vases pattern" 69.200.233.176 From my list of favorite Transferware patterns: ETRUSCAN VASES, Mayer & Elliott, c. 1858-1861 (Gildea and Walker was a later version of this company, due to a succession of mergers and takeovers and also made this pattern) This plate is very rare as the company only manufactured the design for three years. Marks include the words Etruscan Vases and the Mayer & Elliott markings.

Re: Bates, Walker & Co /Etruscan Vases pattern Posted by Len on August 12, 2010, 8:01 pm, in reply to "Bates, Walker & Co /Etruscan Vases pattern" Hi Susan. This is an interesting pattern, evidently made over several decades by succeeding partnerships. Bates, Walker & Company was the sixth partnership to produce the pattern, which started with Thomas & John Mayer, who were in business 1838-1842. Bates Walker's successor, Gildea, Walker & Co., also made it. I entered this pattern in the TCC database and conjectured that Bates, Walker & Co also produced it without having seen or heard of an example; it's nice to hear that you have a piece with their maker's mark! Len

Re: Bates, Walker & Co /Etruscan Vases pattern Posted by Susan on August 12, 2010, 8:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Bates, Walker & Co /Etruscan Vases pattern" 173.76.28.100 Hi Len, Not surprisingly,as I'm new to this, my piece doesn't have an easily identifiable maker's mark...that would be too easy! Rather, it has a series if imprints. For example, it has what I believe to be a 1 over 1577. Also, a 38 and a 4 over 63. My piece is a lidded tureen in excellent condition with gold decorative edging (also in excellent condition) on the lid. Your groups 2008 Annual Meeting Newsletter had a picture of the pattern on page 20 where a platter in the pattern is visible at the front of a dealer's sale table. Any idea who this dealer would be? Any other thoughts / info on this pattern would be much appreciated. Thank you, Susan

Re: Bates, Walker & Co /Etruscan Vases pattern Posted by Len on August 12, 2010, 9:07 pm, in reply to "Re: Bates, Walker & Co /Etruscan Vases pattern" 97.83.10.52 Hi Susan. I looked at the 2008 meeting issue again. That's the first time I noticed that Etruscan Vases piece! Unfortunately I have no idea who the dealer might have been. A couple of thoughts about the marks on your tureen. If the 1 over 1577 is a painted mark, it might be a pattern number for any painted decoration on the piece. If the 4 over 63 is impressed it sounds like a date code for April 1863, which would have been the date the tureen was made, not the date the pattern was put on, though it would probably have been decorated soon after. Liddle, Elliott & Co (1860-1870) was the partnership in business at that time, followed by Bates, Elliott & Co and then Bates, Walker & Co if my memory serves. There are ten patterns in the database with "Etruscan" in the name, and there were a number of other patterns besides that. There was a lot of interest in classical artifacts and ruins and the Staffordshire makers capitalized on that interest with their pattern names. In fact a lot of so-called "Greek" vases in English collections were Etruscan. Len

Re: Bates, Walker & Co /Etruscan Vases pattern Posted by Sandy Kinsey on June 13, 2011, 12:22 pm, in reply to "Re: Bates, Walker & Co /Etruscan Vases pattern" To anyone interested, I have a service for 12 which has been in my family for generations with many serving pieces that is identified as 'Etruscan Vases' printed on the underside - the impressed marks are various depending upon the type of dish/plate and the painted numbers on various pieces are 8018 (painted in red). I am interested in understanding the value. I understand that it was made by Bates, Walker and Co. which existed between 1875 - 1878 but would be interested in validating this. I would also be interested in potentially selling the pieces to a collector or other interested party.

Re: Bates, Walker & Co /Etruscan Vases pattern Posted by Gretchen on March 8, 2011, 2:34 pm, in reply to "Re: Bates, Walker & Co /Etruscan Vases pattern" Hello, I am a curator researching a footed bowl with the maker's mark for "B.W & Co / ETRUSCAN VASES" with the kneeling potter/1790. Just wanted to confirm that there are such marked wares out there (images attached). Am I correct in assuming this mark would date c.1875-1878? Thank you, Gretchen Goodell Curator Stratford Hall ggoodell@stratfordhall.org

Re: Bates, Walker & Co /Etruscan Vases pattern Posted by Annette Heys on December 26, 2011, 5:05 pm, in reply to "Re: Bates, Walker & Co /Etruscan Vases pattern" 82.26.158.92 Hi, Just browsing and came across your site. I have a meat platter with a similar pattern to above and the number 1809 on the back. Also the name Gilder? Imprinted into the dish. Have no idea of it's value. Annette

Re: Bates, Walker & Co /Etruscan Vases pattern Posted by Helen on January 31, 2012, 5:42 pm, in reply to "Re: Bates, Walker & Co /Etruscan Vases pattern" I have a meat platter marked Etruscan Vases. I don't see another makers mark on it. Would love to know more about it. Has a chip but it's beautiful.

Re: Bates, Walker & Co /Etruscan Vases pattern Posted by julie on January 18, 2013, 12:47 pm, in reply to "Re: Bates, Walker & Co /Etruscan Vases pattern" Hello Helen, I too just purchased a 4 piece soup tureen by same maker and it seems that there is precious little info because the maker with those initials was in business for only 3 years, making our pieces quite rare. I would love to see a picture of your piece to compare -

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