Posted by Ariffin. on 4/6/2008, 1:03 am, in reply to "Re: Manchester Classes"
salams.
you reap what you sow.
all's well that ends well.
peace and love.
sallu ala Nabi......
--Previous Message--
: wa alayka assalam
:
: you are right it is common courtesy to greet
: with the greeting of peace before
: proceeding. But to be honest with you friend
: when I saw the comments you unjustly
: directed at me ("and talk about his
: assistant and his mission to spread the
: knowledge of silat.." I felt no peace
: in my heart and therefore would have been a
: hypocrite to say something my heart did not
: feel. In any case I accept your apology and
: I wish you and your family peace and
: blessings.
:
: I think there's been a huge misunderstanding
: somewhere. Because again for all his faults
: (even clumsiness sometimes) brother hafis is
: a well meaning man and comes from a good
: home.
:
: Finally, I don't really think this board
: posting pin pong is the right way to
: proceed. so this will be my last comment on
: the matter. I think that since baber has
: kindly extended an invitation to us to come
: up to manchester and meet pak ariffin that
: that would be the time and place to clarify
: the situation. I pray that I'll be able to
: make it but if I can't then I will certainly
: encourage my brother hafiz to do so; or at
: least catch up with him (pak ariffin)
: somehow while he's in this neck of the
: woods.
:
: My salams to all and especially to pak
: ariffin
:
: tariq
: al-faatiha
:
: incidentally I sincerely apologise to the
: webmaster for not getting permission before
: posting my phone number; I simply did not
: read the discussion board rule and did not
: know it was against the rules - so feel free
: to delete that posting if you deem it
: necessary.
: --Previous Message--
: Asalamualaikum Tariq,
: In my book its good manners to begin
: anything by greeting the person, so salams
: to you and your family.
: I have mailed Hafiz privately with my
: concerns, but as you have brought them up in
: public, for the sake of clear understanding
: all round, I will elaborate.
: My issues are these;
: 1) Hafiz has not been given permission from
: the ketua khalifa of the UK to establish
: Silat Gayong mid and north west UK.. but
: this is how he is promoting his class on his
: website.
: 2) He has not been given permission because
: we do not know him..he has not visited Pak
: Ariffin,as adab would require,and we have
: not checked him out.
: Phone calls and emails can never take the
: place of a personal visit, I dont know how
: many guru guru silat we visited in malaysia,
: but I have been taught that that is the way
: you do it.
: When I lived in spain I still managed to get
: over just to see Pak Ariffin at least once
: every few months, and my family commitments
: are VERY complicated, so its just a question
: of priorities.
:
: 3) Silat gayong UK operates differently from
: Gayong Malaysia.
: We have modified the syllabus and ANYONE
: teaching a class under the name of Gayong uk
: MUST be following OUR syllabus.
: For legal and safety reasons we have certain
: official requirements for our
: instructors..such as Criminal record checks
: and comprehensive personal injury and public
: liability insurance.
: We are a professional , well established
: organisation, it is not simply a case of
: turn up and start your own class..that leads
: to lack of quality control and chaos.
: 4)Hafiz did not ask permission to promote
: his website on either Pak Ariffins board (
: as is requested in the rules ) or on mine,
: neither did he greet us with salams or even
: a hello..thats just plain rude in my book.
: 5) You posted a telephone number on the
: website, again in contradiction to the
: discussion board rules , and again without
: asking the webmaster.
: 6) When you first started the classes up
: there , I mailed Hafiz to ask for the
: details of the classes and the students for
: our Gayong UK records, I have still not
: received either the details or an
: explanation as to why they have not been
: sent.
: 7) A small point , but Hafiz has posted
: himself as Cikgu Hafiz..a point of adab ,
: but an important one..if he is teaching us
: silat , he is a cikgu, it means teacher and
: is not a title that you apply before your
: name in normal useage..if he is posting
: himself as cikgu on Pak Ariffins and my
: websites, is he our teacher ?
: It is not appropriate or correct to call
: yourself a teacher such when you are not in
: the act of teaching.
: It may not seem important, but for me it is
: an indication of a very prolific sickness of
: the ego these days, which is the love of
: titles and positions..Gayong UK does not
: accept this and our instructors do NOT call
: themselves Cikgu this or that in everyday
: life.
: We are not following the way of the common
: people nor of the self appointed ones, we
: expect a higher standard.
:
: All the above have lead me to the conclusion
: that Mr.Hafiz has no interest in being part
: of the Silat Melayu structure we have built
: here over the last 10 years, has no interest
: in displaying good manners to the Ketua
: khalifa of Gayong UK and has just set
: himself up as some sort of GURU on his own.
: I am surprised about that because it is from
: a Malay and from a Malay who practises
: Gayong..I expect better manners.
: My apologies to you , my comments were not
: directed at you but at Hafiz, who should
: know better.
: all the best
: Sulaiman Simon Lee
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