Posted by suli
on 4/5/2008, 2:59 pm, in reply to "Re: Manchester Classes"
Asalamualaikum Tariq,
In my book its good manners to begin anything by greeting the person, so salams to you and your family.
I have mailed Hafiz privately with my concerns, but as you have brought them up in public, for the sake of clear understanding all round, I will elaborate.
My issues are these;
1) Hafiz has not been given permission from the ketua khalifa of the UK to establish Silat Gayong mid and north west UK.. but this is how he is promoting his class on his website.
2) He has not been given permission because we do not know him..he has not visited Pak Ariffin,as adab would require,and we have not checked him out.
Phone calls and emails can never take the place of a personal visit, I dont know how many guru guru silat we visited in malaysia, but I have been taught that that is the way you do it.
When I lived in spain I still managed to get over just to see Pak Ariffin at least once every few months, and my family commitments are VERY complicated, so its just a question of priorities.
3) Silat gayong UK operates differently from Gayong Malaysia.
We have modified the syllabus and ANYONE teaching a class under the name of Gayong uk MUST be following OUR syllabus.
For legal and safety reasons we have certain official requirements for our instructors..such as Criminal record checks and comprehensive personal injury and public liability insurance.
We are a professional , well established organisation, it is not simply a case of turn up and start your own class..that leads to lack of quality control and chaos.
4)Hafiz did not ask permission to promote his website on either Pak Ariffins board ( as is requested in the rules ) or on mine, neither did he greet us with salams or even a hello..thats just plain rude in my book.
5) You posted a telephone number on the website, again in contradiction to the discussion board rules , and again without asking the webmaster.
6) When you first started the classes up there , I mailed Hafiz to ask for the details of the classes and the students for our Gayong UK records, I have still not received either the details or an explanation as to why they have not been sent.
7) A small point , but Hafiz has posted himself as Cikgu Hafiz..a point of adab , but an important one..if he is teaching us silat , he is a cikgu, it means teacher and is not a title that you apply before your name in normal useage..if he is posting himself as cikgu on Pak Ariffins and my websites, is he our teacher ?
It is not appropriate or correct to call yourself a teacher such when you are not in the act of teaching.
It may not seem important, but for me it is an indication of a very prolific sickness of the ego these days, which is the love of titles and positions..Gayong UK does not accept this and our instructors do NOT call themselves Cikgu this or that in everyday life.
We are not following the way of the common people nor of the self appointed ones, we expect a higher standard.
All the above have lead me to the conclusion that Mr.Hafiz has no interest in being part of the Silat Melayu structure we have built here over the last 10 years, has no interest in displaying good manners to the Ketua khalifa of Gayong UK and has just set himself up as some sort of GURU on his own.
I am surprised about that because it is from a Malay and from a Malay who practises Gayong..I expect better manners.
My apologies to you , my comments were not directed at you but at Hafiz, who should know better.
all the best
Sulaiman Simon Lee
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