Posted by sandhillAB
on July 29, 2009, 7:57 pm, in reply to "OK, now it is time for what I really think..."
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Hmmm. I am going to try to tackle this one. I am by no means an expert or trainer so this is just my opinion based on what I have seen, read, and talked to other trainers about. When you say that you are asking the dog to fight by doing civil aggitation, aren't you in a way developing his defense drive? When you take a green dog do you just go right in and work him in a civil manner without any drive work before hand? When I started out researching and getting into protection work it mostly on the civil/pp side of things and I have seen the good and the bad and have seen a lot lacking in the training and theory behind it. Many PP trainers do not (IMO) place enough thought into developing the dog in a manner that the dog is stable and not "just looking for something bad to happen" I have found that they are slack on the OB and general social skills of the dog. This is just what I have seen. To me, this is not a safe way to hand or promote these dogs. Many dogs can bite. That is not impressive to me nor what I strive for anymore. so, I think this is why I how want to see dogs (even those not in training for sport) to have a solid foundation with their drives (prey, defense, fight) developed in a manner to where to dog learns to read certain situations and are under control through OB training.
I'm not sure if I am answering your question. A lot of people just want to see their dogs bite and put up a show. Many of these dogs are not stable nor safe. I dont know if it is because of poor training, heavy aggitation, or poor temperament/nerves but all of these issues can go hand in hand. I think a lot of "good" dogs are ruined through heavy aggitation without proper development.
Drive work is a must for a sport dog. And we all know that many sport dogs are not overly civil. Many are, more than you think if put in the right situation. Most of them have super nerves because they have been developed and not just back tied and aggiatied. I think a lot of pp dogs are so overly aggitated that they think that the world is going to get them if they aren't keys up at all times, looking for something to the wrong. Something in that bothers me. It can go both ways. The key is trainers being able to read the dog and train that dog correctly. I agree with you though that a lot of drive work is better suited for sport training than working working a pure pp dog.
Was wondering what you mean by "defense of prey." Is this like object guarding? With this, wouldn't you have to develop that dogs want/need to defense the prey? I just see a lot of sorely pp trainers just back tie the back and aggitate him and do nothing else with the dog. I just dont see the point really. There has to be something else. Perhaps, it is the fight that the dog has with the man.
I just like to see a ballance no matter what you do with the dog; sport or pp. There has to be a ballance to the drive work, the control work, the defense work. without this ballance, you only have a dog that will bite and so what? To me, a pp isn't one pulling on the end of his lead looking at everyone as if they are going to get 'em.
Again, I think I've gone off topic. I dont know if I added anything to this topic. It is an interesting one however.
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