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What's up with screwing Gary in the first rd of 8.5? Posted by qwiknotch on April 29, 2012, 2:36 pm Jason was pulled back to the pits, Gary is told he has a single, does his burnout and starts to stage, and then gets pulled back because Slim was on the track... then suddenly, Jason pops back in after they got Slim off the track and you let him run... He shouldn't have been allowed to run at all. Then to make matter worse, both cars leave before the green and you don't dq them both. Same thing happened to Lonnie and Bowman at SCSN a few years ago and you dq'd them both. What's with the selective rules enforcement?

I think it's Slims Fault. Posted by speed on April 30, 2012, 11:01 am, in reply to "What's up with screwing Gary in the first rd of 8.5?" He can't do a burnout,He cant get off the track. What the heck . lol. Gary Why did u leave before the tree ? And what was the deal with the tree anyway ? malfunction ? --Previous Message-- : Jason was pulled back to the pits, Gary is : told he has a single, does his burnout and : starts to stage, and then gets pulled back : because Slim was on the track... : then suddenly, Jason pops back in after they : got Slim off the track and you let him : run... He shouldn't have been allowed to : run at all. : : Then to make matter worse, both cars leave : before the green and you don't dq them both. : : Same thing happened to Lonnie and Bowman at : SCSN a few years ago and you dq'd them both. : : What's with the selective rules enforcement? :

Get your facts straight Damon Posted by Mel / PSCA on April 29, 2012, 7:15 pm, in reply to "What's up with screwing Gary in the first rd of 8.5?" The other car never left the front of the tower, Gary would've been on a single but the track threw the reds for a something on the top end.. During that time Jason was able to start his car... Both cars did burnouts, Gary left first before the tree was activated giving the win to Jason (This was the John Force Rule from a few years back when there was a double DQ) Jason won per the NHRA RULE BOOK enforced by Division 7 Director Mike Rice who officiated the event from the LVMS Tower!!! Mel

Re: Get your facts straight Damon Posted by Brandt Racing on April 30, 2012, 9:04 am, in reply to "Get your facts straight Damon" It's always nice to see the s##t getting stirred up like the good old Limited Street days... And as usual I wind up being the center of conversation. I do this on purpose to keep the class interesting. I raced him, I left early, I lost, "Period" and that's how it's in the books. Now that you know how I feel about the race I'll get on to how the call was made. The starter told us to fire them up, I did and assumed he did as well. The Official at the arch held up One finger which in drag racing means a single. I pulled to the box, did my burnout, proceeded to stage and then as I pulled to the beams they threw the reds. (Maybe they should have been watching the stalled car on the track more closely but these things happen in racing?)I tried to keep it running but Copper Top told me to kill it because it was going to take a while. They pushed me back and I waited. I have radio communication so I asked my crew if I was still a single. Dale on my crew said yes they towed the car back to the pits. I told him ok and that it sucked that he couldn't get it going. I asked this question because I would have assumed that they would keep trying to fire it under the arch at what time I would expect him to come forward to race. However He did in fact leave the starting line and then returned back via the exit lane from the starting line. (I have never seen this and have been Drag Racing cars for 30 years) Now I go to the starting line and am ready to race and the single I have clearly in my head now has a car next to me that just showed up. I pre staged he pre staged, I staged and when he staged he started to roll deep and flickered the bottom bulb. I reacted to that and lost. The question at hand is the rules are if you leave the starting line you do not race. Doug Sikora was told this after he left the "Commitment Line" and came back that he could not run a couple of years ago. Mel says he never left the starting line? I would like to know did this car go anywhere other than from the arch to the burnout box??? Jason you were in the car, did you head back to the pits and then turn around and come back up the return road? Apparently the officials missed this if it happened? I really don't give a crap and the round is yours. I just want to know being is the Officials keep saying you never left the starting line and myself, DJ or any other Outlaw 8.5 Racers couldn't see this because it was behind me and around the wall of them. D.J. You are doing well and have allot to say and that's cool. However we are not racing under a bridge with a flashlight start or a bald guy with a hand drop and a do over. This is an Organization that is run by written rules and maybe the Officials should be watching the starting line activity more closely. Because if a car left the starting line and they didn't see it and are stating that it didn't leave? then there is a big purple elephant in the room and nobody can see it. I am honestly more interested in quality calls being made than pictures of the event. Gary --Previous Message-- : The other car never left the front of the : tower, Gary would've been on a single but : the track threw the reds for a something on : the top end.. During that time Jason was : able to start his car... Both cars did : burnouts, Gary left first before the tree : was activated giving the win to Jason (This : was the John Force Rule from a few years : back when there was a double DQ) : : Jason won per the NHRA RULE BOOK enforced by : Division 7 Director Mike Rice who officiated : the event from the LVMS Tower!!! : : Mel :

Re: Get your facts straight Damon Posted by qwiknotch on April 29, 2012, 9:04 pm, in reply to "Get your facts straight Damon" According to live feed, both cars left before the tree was activated , shouldn't both have been dq'd, just like you did 2 years ago at scsn and every other time it has happened? As far as allowing Jason to run, I was under the impression that he had left and came back, obviously I was wrong.

NHRA Changed that rule Posted by Mel / PSCA on April 30, 2012, 10:15 am, in reply to "Re: Get your facts straight Damon" Board Administrator John Force was DQ'd in Vegas a few years back when he left before the tree was activated, the guy he was racing did the same thing and per NHRA Rule at that time both cars were DQ'd... Force went crazy on National TV, then NHRA changed the rule to the 1st car that left was DQ'd, 2nd car would advance to the next round without lane choice

thanks.. Posted by qwiknotch on April 30, 2012, 10:28 am, in reply to "NHRA Changed that rule" I know your rules state they are using 2007 NHRA rules, but the few times I have seen both dq'd were in 2009 and 2010. Thanks for clearing that up.

Re: What's up with screwing Gary in the first rd of 8.5? Posted by speed on April 29, 2012, 2:40 pm, in reply to "What's up with screwing Gary in the first rd of 8.5?" I don't see why Jason couldn't run he made it on time . But agree either double DQ or Re run. They both were on the trans brake a looooong time . --Previous Message-- : Jason was pulled back to the pits, Gary is : told he has a single, does his burnout and : starts to stage, and then gets pulled back : because Slim was on the track... : then suddenly, Jason pops back in after they : got Slim off the track and you let him : run... He shouldn't have been allowed to : run at all. : : Then to make matter worse, both cars leave : before the green and you don't dq them both. : : Same thing happened to Lonnie and Bowman at : SCSN a few years ago and you dq'd them both. : : What's with the selective rules enforcement? :

Re: What's up with screwing Gary in the first rd of 8.5? Posted by qwiknotch on April 29, 2012, 2:46 pm, in reply to "Re: What's up with screwing Gary in the first rd of 8.5?" He didn't make it on time, he left the starting line past the "threshhold" and went back to pits. Gary had already been told he had a single, did his burnout and was pulled back. He shouldn't have been able to run.. It's not like Gary was sitting in the staging lanes, he had already done his burnout..

The PSCA made Gary leave before the tree was activated? Posted by 67AfroMaro on April 29, 2012, 8:16 pm, in reply to "Re: What's up with screwing Gary in the first rd of 8.5?" Hey Damon, like I said on Yellowbullet, from the point of view I had (actually being there), it looked like one car had an issue, was going to leave but had the extra time to fix it *before* leaving. Gary left before the tree was even activated - everyone had time to look around confused and then look around again before Jason left. This had nothing to do with Jason at all. If Gary was told he had a single, then that's messed up and I'd be mad too but I'd still want to win the race I had rather then run a single and sit someone out who is ready to race. Before the final, Jason had a problem with his nitrous line when our lane got pulled and we told him, go back to your pit, fix it, we'll wait - we waited while they pulled two lanes around us to make sure he'd get his shot. Bottom line, if two cars are there to race, why are you advocating for singles? Why aren't you letting someone that was actually there complain or better yet let Gary speak up? Why are you blaming leaving on a dead tree on Jason or the PSCA? --Previous Message-- : He didn't make it on time, he left the : starting line past the : "threshhold" and went back to : pits. Gary had already been told he had a : single, did his burnout and was pulled back. : He shouldn't have been able to run.. It's : not like Gary was sitting in the staging : lanes, he had already done his burnout.. : :

Re: The PSCA made Gary leave before the tree was activated? Posted by qwiknotch on April 29, 2012, 9:31 pm, in reply to "The PSCA made Gary leave before the tree was activated?" Why are you putting words in my mouth, Dj? I am advocating a solid and consistent enforcement of rules. Where did I blame Jason or PSCA for Gary or Jason leaving before the tree? Where did I advocate having single cars run? And where is it any business of yours to question me about something I found shady about a friends car? you weren't racing Gary, so maybe you should stay out of it also...But, that would be out of character for you to have a chance to take a stab at me or any body because you would argue with anyone about anything. As far as my sportsmanship, I have raced in more races than you have in the past 3 years and I have sat and refused to start my car when an opponent couldn't get started and lost that very same race. And why do you care so much for something that doesn't involve any cars that you are involved with? Gary called me right after it happened and asked if I saw it and I told him what I saw on the live feed. I have seen it more than once with 2 cars leaving before the tree and both cars were always dq'd.. then today he is allowed to return to the race. I wasn't the only person that felt this way and from the look on the live feed, Jason was no where to be found, I watched the starter wave Gary in .. so it looked hanky from the feed. I already said I was wrong on that... letting him run, I was obviously not there, Mel stated what happened and I said I was wrong, but allowing both cars to run after a double dq after kicking out both cars every other time, just seemed odd. What if Jason ends up winning the championship over you by 5 points... but the 10 points he won by being allowed back in the race after dq'ing made the difference.... wouldn't you be mad?

Cool story bro... Posted by 67AfroMaro on April 29, 2012, 10:53 pm, in reply to "Re: The PSCA made Gary leave before the tree was activated?" Here's something for you, everyone who was at the race wanted to know who was stirring shit on the internet already - when I said Damon... without fail eyes rolled. If you are not advocating singles or are not blaming Gary's loss on someone other than Gary then why post? Really, what is your point? What are you trying to accomplish? It sounds liek you want Mel to call up Jason and apologize for letting him run his car and tell him, that next time his fuel pump acts up, he should just go home rather than try to fix it and run down the track when another car is still sitting there for him to run.. Why not spend this time and energy on your car so that you actually have a leg to stand on when Jason comes sneaking out of the stands to make you leave on a dead tree. And BTW, none of this is directed at Gary, I like him. He's a strong competitor and will get more shots at going rounds. We all make mistakes and Gary made a mistake, simple as that. --Previous Message-- : Why are you putting words in my mouth, Dj? I : am advocating a solid and consistent : enforcement of rules. : : Where did I blame Jason or PSCA for Gary or : Jason leaving before the tree? Where did I : advocate having single cars run? And where : is it any business of yours to question me : about something I found shady about a : friends car? you weren't racing Gary, so : maybe you should stay out of it also...But, : that would be out of character for you to : have a chance to take a stab at me or any : body because you would argue with anyone : about anything. : : As far as my sportsmanship, I have raced in : more races than you have in the past 3 years : and I have sat and refused to start my car : when an opponent couldn't get started and : lost that very same race. : : And why do you care so much for something : that doesn't involve any cars that you are : involved with? Gary called me right after : it happened and asked if I saw it and I told : him what I saw on the live feed. : : I have seen it more than once with 2 cars : leaving before the tree and both cars were : always dq'd.. then today he is allowed to : return to the race. : : I wasn't the only person that felt this way : and from the look on the live feed, Jason : was no where to be found, I watched the : starter wave Gary in .. so it looked hanky : from the feed. I already said I was wrong : on that... : : letting him run, I was obviously not there, : Mel stated what happened and I said I was : wrong, but allowing both cars to run after a : double dq after kicking out both cars every : other time, just seemed odd. : : What if Jason ends up winning the : championship over you by 5 points... but the : 10 points he won by being allowed back in : the race after dq'ing made the : difference.... wouldn't you be mad? :

You're funny... Posted by qwiknotch on April 30, 2012, 8:14 am, in reply to "Cool story bro..." That's funny because several people who were at the race, called me laughing and thought the same thing I did. I already said EXACTLY why I posted, apparently you overlooked it. You saw what you saw from the front seat of your car strapped in. I saw what I saw from the front window of the tower with sound. Different view, different perspective. And other than a paintjob, my car is ready to go. Has been ready to go and if I had the extra money, I would have been there racing. You also already know that.

And by the way... Posted by 67AfroMaro on April 29, 2012, 8:19 pm, in reply to "The PSCA made Gary leave before the tree was activated?" Jason spun hard... I mean HARD. Had Gary waited for the tree, he would have advanced just running a 7. Again, how is this anyone else's fault? --Previous Message-- : Hey Damon, like I said on Yellowbullet, from : the point of view I had (actually being : there), it looked like one car had an issue, : was going to leave but had the extra time to : fix it *before* leaving. : : Gary left before the tree was even activated : - everyone had time to look around confused : and then look around again before Jason : left. This had nothing to do with Jason at : all. : : If Gary was told he had a single, then : that's messed up and I'd be mad too but I'd : still want to win the race I had rather then : run a single and sit someone out who is : ready to race. : : Before the final, Jason had a problem with : his nitrous line when our lane got pulled : and we told him, go back to your pit, fix : it, we'll wait - we waited while they pulled : two lanes around us to make sure he'd get : his shot. : : Bottom line, if two cars are there to race, : why are you advocating for singles? : Why aren't you letting someone that was : actually there complain or better yet let : Gary speak up? : Why are you blaming leaving on a dead tree : on Jason or the PSCA? : : : --Previous Message-- : He didn't make it on time, he left the : starting line past the : "threshhold" and went back to : pits. Gary had already been told he had a : single, did his burnout and was pulled back. : He shouldn't have been able to run.. It's : not like Gary was sitting in the staging : lanes, he had already done his burnout.. : : : :

Re: What's up with screwing Gary in the first rd of 8.5? Posted by turbotime2 on April 29, 2012, 2:57 pm, in reply to "Re: What's up with screwing Gary in the first rd of 8.5?" Damon you worked for mel you should know by now it's his sandbox and he will do what he wants. Or it could be it's not psca anymore it could be Chris Blair spring break shootout --Previous Message-- : He didn't make it on time, he left the : starting line past the : "threshhold" and went back to : pits. Gary had already been told he had a : single, did his burnout and was pulled back. : He shouldn't have been able to run.. It's : not like Gary was sitting in the staging : lanes, he had already done his burnout.. : :

Thanks Robert Posted by Mel / PSCA on April 29, 2012, 7:18 pm, in reply to "Re: What's up with screwing Gary in the first rd of 8.5?" Appreciate the dig!!! Great event with awesome cars, too bad you missed it!!!!

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