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Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll) Posted by Mel / PSCA on January 5, 2012, 3:56 pm What do the PSCA racers think?? Should the PSCA allow towing in the lanes for Open Comp Racers  No  Yes  Don't care  Only if tow vehicle is a Smart Car

Mel- I have conceeded to the Fairness way of doing things Posted by Doug Crumlich on January 9, 2012, 1:32 pm, in reply to "Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll)" To All, I think everyone is right, we need to make it fair for everyone. The split tree gives the big tire cars a chance at the .500 lite. That may help. The towing in the lanes will give anyone with a hot running car, especially in this summer, an even chance on the track. Overheating should not be a deciding factor in a race. It may also speed up the program in the later rounds. So Mel, please include the split tree and towing in the new Open Comp rules. Thanks --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: Mel- I have conceeded to the Fairness way of doing things Posted by 777J on January 10, 2012, 8:00 am, in reply to "Mel- I have conceeded to the Fairness way of doing things" Looks like the towing was voted down? Would be a mess if everyone towed to the lanes. Besides I thought this was the Pacific STREET car. My cooling system is for shit and I do it. --Previous Message-- : To All, : I think everyone is right, we need to make : it fair for everyone. : : The split tree gives the big tire cars a : chance at the .500 lite. That may help. : : The towing in the lanes will give anyone : with a hot running car, especially in this : summer, an even chance on the track. : Overheating should not be a deciding factor : in a race. It may also speed up the program : in the later rounds. : : So Mel, please include the split tree and : towing in the new Open Comp rules. : : Thanks : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : :

Re: Mel- I have conceeded to the Fairness way of doing things Posted by Doug Crumlich on January 10, 2012, 7:24 pm, in reply to "Re: Mel- I have conceeded to the Fairness way of doing things" I am sure pro STREET and Outlaw STREET wouldn't agree with you. Plus, I wouldn't think your stang would pass the "test only" smog test required to make it Street Legal. Just saying, It is not "fair" for you to force another racer to run their car hot getting from the pit to the starting line. Especially when our car counts are the worst during the heat of the day. Very few of us have street legal cars. I still have to send Mel the rules to post anyway --Previous Message-- : Looks like the towing was voted down? Would be : a mess if everyone towed to the lanes. : Besides I thought this was the Pacific : STREET car. My cooling system is for shit : and I do it. : : --Previous Message-- : To All, : I think everyone is right, we need to make : it fair for everyone. : : The split tree gives the big tire cars a : chance at the .500 lite. That may help. : : The towing in the lanes will give anyone : with a hot running car, especially in this : summer, an even chance on the track. : Overheating should not be a deciding factor : in a race. It may also speed up the program : in the later rounds. : : So Mel, please include the split tree and : towing in the new Open Comp rules. : : Thanks : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: Mel- I have conceeded to the Fairness way of doing things Posted by 777J on January 11, 2012, 12:42 pm, in reply to "Re: Mel- I have conceeded to the Fairness way of doing things" I have no problem with the heads up guys towing where ever. But the bracket classes should be driven up to the lanes. If we have 50 cars in sm and only half do it that is a mess of cars getting in the way. if you let 1 bracket syle class do it you need to let them all do it. I dont car either way I will start towing though if its avail to me. --Previous Message-- : I am sure pro STREET and Outlaw STREET : wouldn't agree with you. Plus, I wouldn't : think your stang would pass the "test : only" smog test required to make it : Street Legal. : : Just saying, It is not "fair" for : you to force another racer to run their car : hot getting from the pit to the starting : line. Especially when our car counts are : the worst during the heat of the day. : : Very few of us have street legal cars. : : I still have to send Mel the rules to post : anyway : : : --Previous Message-- : Looks like the towing was voted down? Would : be : a mess if everyone towed to the lanes. : Besides I thought this was the Pacific : STREET car. My cooling system is for shit : and I do it. : : --Previous Message-- : To All, : I think everyone is right, we need to make : it fair for everyone. : : The split tree gives the big tire cars a : chance at the .500 lite. That may help. : : The towing in the lanes will give anyone : with a hot running car, especially in this : summer, an even chance on the track. : Overheating should not be a deciding factor : in a race. It may also speed up the program : in the later rounds. : : So Mel, please include the split tree and : towing in the new Open Comp rules. : : Thanks : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : :

If we get enough smart cars, can we get a .800 tree for them so it would be fair?? Posted by Doug Crumlich on January 7, 2012, 10:58 am, in reply to "Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll)" Just saying since we are tayloring the rules to the slow cars. I know the smart is slow. But it's SMART --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Doug, Just admit it! Posted by Ronnie on January 7, 2012, 1:29 pm, in reply to "If we get enough smart cars, can we get a .800 tree for them so it would be fair??" Everyone knows why you don't want the .500 tree! --Previous Message-- : Just saying since we are tayloring the rules : to the slow cars. I know the smart is slow. : : But it's SMART : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : :

I figured it out and admitted it. Posted by Doug Crumlich on January 7, 2012, 3:56 pm, in reply to "Doug, Just admit it!" OK Ron, I will admit it. I don't care if you want the track to give you a .490 tree being that your car is set up that way on that day. What I care about is you only allowing changes that directly affect YOUR CARS Benefit. So there I admitted it for you. Let me show you. Towing, does not affect you at all. IN FACT, it allows both you and the other racer to be able to stage the car MUCH Cooler no matter engine size or cooling system and therefore Fairly. EXAMPLE Racer #1-has a good cooling system and transmission cooling and can be cool enough to be at 150deg when they pull into the water box every time. This guy can do it repeadely and consistant. (holly cow, that's me) Racer #2-Does not have the money we spent for cooling but wants to support two classes. He gets to the lanes, drives forward inch by inch, and stages the car at 190deg. Maybe hurts parts as we do this and delays the show. So because You are being as against towing, He now 1. Gets a bunch of friends to PUSH his car from the head of staging all the way to heather. Causing other racers to hang back so they don't unneccesaraly heat up. 2. Spends hundreds of dollars to upgrade just to run with us. 3. They never supports two classes again, expecially in the summer, and we lose car count. (I already know some cars like this) All this and the fuel savings at $12 a gallon that you save. As for causing a space issue, we already have our tow vehicles in front of our cars, we just don't have the tow strap hooked up. So what is the differcnce. See the point! NO advantage on the track. It appears that you are trying to gain an advantage over a car that doesn't run as cool as yours or mine? DING, DING, DING. We have a winner. --Previous Message-- : Everyone knows why you don't want the .500 : tree! : : --Previous Message-- : Just saying since we are tayloring the rules : to the slow cars. I know the smart is slow. : : But it's SMART : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: I figured it out and admitted it. Posted by 777J on January 8, 2012, 7:42 am, in reply to "I figured it out and admitted it." If they allow it I only have my motohome so look out. My wife will be driving it too lol. --Previous Message-- : OK Ron, : : I will admit it. : : I don't care if you want the track to give : you a .490 tree being that your car is set : up that way on that day. : : What I care about is you only allowing : changes that directly affect YOUR CARS : Benefit. So there I admitted it for you. : Let me show you. : : Towing, does not affect you at all. IN : FACT, it allows both you and the other racer : to be able to stage the car MUCH Cooler no : matter engine size or cooling system and : therefore Fairly . : : EXAMPLE : Racer #1-has a good cooling system and : transmission cooling and can be cool enough : to be at 150deg when they pull into the : water box every time. This guy can do it : repeadely and consistant. (holly cow, : that's me) : : Racer #2-Does not have the money we spent : for cooling but wants to support two : classes. He gets to the lanes, drives : forward inch by inch, and stages the car at : 190deg. Maybe hurts parts as we do this and : delays the show. : : So because You are being as against towing, : He now : 1. Gets a bunch of friends to PUSH his car : from the head of staging all the way to : heather. Causing other racers to hang back : so they don't unneccesaraly heat up. : 2. Spends hundreds of dollars to upgrade : just to run with us. : 3. They never supports two classes again, : expecially in the summer, and we lose car : count. (I already know some cars like this) : : All this and the fuel savings at $12 a : gallon that you save. : : As for causing a space issue, we already : have our tow vehicles in front of our cars, : we just don't have the tow strap hooked up. : So what is the differcnce. : : See the point! NO advantage on the track. : : It appears that you are trying to gain an : advantage over a car that doesn't run as : cool as yours or mine? : : DING, DING, DING. We have a winner. : : : : : --Previous Message-- : Everyone knows why you don't want the .500 : tree! : : --Previous Message-- : Just saying since we are tayloring the rules : to the slow cars. I know the smart is slow. : : But it's SMART : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: I figured it out and admitted it. Posted by Doug Crumlich on January 8, 2012, 9:08 am, in reply to "Re: I figured it out and admitted it." will you be selling snacks in the staging lanes? --Previous Message-- : If they allow it I only have my motohome so : look out. My wife will be driving it too : lol. : : --Previous Message-- : OK Ron, : : I will admit it. : : I don't care if you want the track to give : you a .490 tree being that your car is set : up that way on that day. : : What I care about is you only allowing : changes that directly affect YOUR CARS : Benefit. So there I admitted it for you. : Let me show you. : : Towing, does not affect you at all. IN : FACT, it allows both you and the other racer : to be able to stage the car MUCH Cooler no : matter engine size or cooling system and : therefore Fairly . : : EXAMPLE : Racer #1-has a good cooling system and : transmission cooling and can be cool enough : to be at 150deg when they pull into the : water box every time. This guy can do it : repeadely and consistant. (holly cow, : that's me) : : Racer #2-Does not have the money we spent : for cooling but wants to support two : classes. He gets to the lanes, drives : forward inch by inch, and stages the car at : 190deg. Maybe hurts parts as we do this and : delays the show. : : So because You are being as against towing, : He now : 1. Gets a bunch of friends to PUSH his car : from the head of staging all the way to : heather. Causing other racers to hang back : so they don't unneccesaraly heat up. : 2. Spends hundreds of dollars to upgrade : just to run with us. : 3. They never supports two classes again, : expecially in the summer, and we lose car : count. (I already know some cars like this) : : All this and the fuel savings at $12 a : gallon that you save. : : As for causing a space issue, we already : have our tow vehicles in front of our cars, : we just don't have the tow strap hooked up. : So what is the differcnce. : : See the point! NO advantage on the track. : : It appears that you are trying to gain an : advantage over a car that doesn't run as : cool as yours or mine? : : DING, DING, DING. We have a winner. : : : : : --Previous Message-- : Everyone knows why you don't want the .500 : tree! : : --Previous Message-- : Just saying since we are tayloring the rules : to the slow cars. I know the smart is slow. : : But it's SMART : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: I figured it out and admitted it. Posted by Ronnie on January 8, 2012, 12:00 am, in reply to "I figured it out and admitted it." 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ Doug, I've said it many times. The tree issue, the towing issue does not affect me. I might be wrong in what I have been saying, but I am truly trying to keep the playing field as even as possible. It's not about me Doug and I think you know that. I have the .400 tree figured out, give me a break. I won the O/C Championship in 2010, have a chance to win the Mean Street Championship for 2011, Won O/C at the 2011 SCSN race. Was in 6 finals at the last 6 2011 PSCA events. Finished runner-up against you at the NMCA race, what more do I have to do to show you I don't have a problem with the .400 tree. I have worked hard at getting the car more consistent and running it out the back door. Hopefully will improve even a little more this year with the new glide. And as far as towing, it doesn't matter to ME one way or the other, I have 2 16 volt batteries and have never had a cooling problem, Never! But I do know there are cars that would like to have a tow vehicle because of cooling issues but either can't afford it, or don't have someone to drive the tow vehicle. So I am truly speaking on behalf of those racers and trying to keep it fair for everyone. I am now throwing in the white flag and do hope you have a great 2012 season. If I have said anything wrong on the message board or have offended anyone, I sincerely apologize. May God Bless you Doug and all the other PSCA racers as well. --Previous Message-- : OK Ron, : : I will admit it. : : I don't care if you want the track to give : you a .490 tree being that your car is set : up that way on that day. : : What I care about is you only allowing : changes that directly affect YOUR CARS : Benefit. So there I admitted it for you. : Let me show you. : : Towing, does not affect you at all. IN : FACT, it allows both you and the other racer : to be able to stage the car MUCH Cooler no : matter engine size or cooling system and : therefore Fairly . : : EXAMPLE : Racer #1-has a good cooling system and : transmission cooling and can be cool enough : to be at 150deg when they pull into the : water box every time. This guy can do it : repeadely and consistant. (holly cow, : that's me) : : Racer #2-Does not have the money we spent : for cooling but wants to support two : classes. He gets to the lanes, drives : forward inch by inch, and stages the car at : 190deg. Maybe hurts parts as we do this and : delays the show. : : So because You are being as against towing, : He now : 1. Gets a bunch of friends to PUSH his car : from the head of staging all the way to : heather. Causing other racers to hang back : so they don't unneccesaraly heat up. : 2. Spends hundreds of dollars to upgrade : just to run with us. : 3. They never supports two classes again, : expecially in the summer, and we lose car : count. (I already know some cars like this) : : All this and the fuel savings at $12 a : gallon that you save. : : As for causing a space issue, we already : have our tow vehicles in front of our cars, : we just don't have the tow strap hooked up. : So what is the differcnce. : : See the point! NO advantage on the track. : : It appears that you are trying to gain an : advantage over a car that doesn't run as : cool as yours or mine? : : DING, DING, DING. We have a winner. : : : : : --Previous Message-- : Everyone knows why you don't want the .500 : tree! : : --Previous Message-- : Just saying since we are tayloring the rules : to the slow cars. I know the smart is slow. : : But it's SMART : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: I figured it out and admitted it. Posted by Doug Crumlich on January 8, 2012, 9:10 am, in reply to "Re: I figured it out and admitted it." Yes Ron, white flags for both of us. I was just looking out for the other guys who do have a cooling problem. I also want it fair for everyone. Trying to keep all the cars cool and competitive in the track. Let's make everyone happy. --Previous Message-- : Doug, I've said it many times. The tree : issue, the towing issue does not affect me. : I might be wrong in what I have been saying, : but I am truly trying to keep the playing : field as even as possible. It's not about : me Doug and I think you know that. I have : the .400 tree figured out, give me a break. : I won the O/C Championship in 2010, have a : chance to win the Mean Street Championship : for 2011, Won O/C at the 2011 SCSN race. : Was in 6 finals at the last 6 2011 PSCA : events. Finished runner-up against you at : the NMCA race, what more do I have to do to : show you I don't have a problem with the : .400 tree. I have worked hard at getting : the car more consistent and running it out : the back door. Hopefully will improve even : a little more this year with the new glide. : And as far as towing, it doesn't matter to : ME one way or the other, I have 2 16 volt : batteries and have never had a cooling : problem, Never! But I do know there are cars : that would like to have a tow vehicle : because of cooling issues but either can't : afford it, or don't have someone to drive : the tow vehicle. So I am truly speaking on : behalf of those racers and trying to keep it : fair for everyone. I am now throwing in the : white flag and do hope you have a great 2012 : season. If I have said anything wrong on : the message board or have offended anyone, I : sincerely apologize. May God Bless you Doug : and all the other PSCA racers as well. : : --Previous Message-- : OK Ron, : : I will admit it. : : I don't care if you want the track to give : you a .490 tree being that your car is set : up that way on that day. : : What I care about is you only allowing : changes that directly affect YOUR CARS : Benefit. So there I admitted it for you. : Let me show you. : : Towing, does not affect you at all. IN : FACT, it allows both you and the other racer : to be able to stage the car MUCH Cooler no : matter engine size or cooling system and : therefore Fairly . : : EXAMPLE : Racer #1-has a good cooling system and : transmission cooling and can be cool enough : to be at 150deg when they pull into the : water box every time. This guy can do it : repeadely and consistant. (holly cow, : that's me) : : Racer #2-Does not have the money we spent : for cooling but wants to support two : classes. He gets to the lanes, drives : forward inch by inch, and stages the car at : 190deg. Maybe hurts parts as we do this and : delays the show. : : So because You are being as against towing, : He now : 1. Gets a bunch of friends to PUSH his car : from the head of staging all the way to : heather. Causing other racers to hang back : so they don't unneccesaraly heat up. : 2. Spends hundreds of dollars to upgrade : just to run with us. : 3. They never supports two classes again, : expecially in the summer, and we lose car : count. (I already know some cars like this) : : All this and the fuel savings at $12 a : gallon that you save. : : As for causing a space issue, we already : have our tow vehicles in front of our cars, : we just don't have the tow strap hooked up. : So what is the differcnce. : : See the point! NO advantage on the track. : : It appears that you are trying to gain an : advantage over a car that doesn't run as : cool as yours or mine? : : DING, DING, DING. We have a winner. : : : : : --Previous Message-- : Everyone knows why you don't want the .500 : tree! : : --Previous Message-- : Just saying since we are tayloring the rules : to the slow cars. I know the smart is slow. : : But it's SMART : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

tell us why ronnie? Posted by Super_Racer on January 7, 2012, 3:36 pm, in reply to "Doug, Just admit it!" dont keep this to urself --Previous Message-- : Everyone knows why you don't want the .500 : tree! : : --Previous Message-- : Just saying since we are tayloring the rules : to the slow cars. I know the smart is slow. : : But it's SMART : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : :

Re: tell us why ronnie? Posted by Ronnie on January 7, 2012, 11:25 pm, in reply to "tell us why ronnie?" 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ Doug and many of the other faster cars are deadly on the tree, I applaud them for that. They can bump into the beam the same every time, make whatever adjustment they need to slow their R/T down and go double 0's pretty consistently. Either by tire size or an adjustable type trans brake button, etc. With the slower cars now being able to stage the same way, slow their R/T down as needed you are going to see these same cars starting to improve a bunch on the tree and more consistently. I'm sure you know that. That's why! Doug has danced all around it but has never truly answered my question on why he is against the .500 tree. --Previous Message-- : dont keep this to urself : : --Previous Message-- : Everyone knows why you don't want the .500 : tree! : : --Previous Message-- : Just saying since we are tayloring the rules : to the slow cars. I know the smart is slow. : : But it's SMART : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : : :

Re: tell us why ronnie? Posted by dragracer on January 8, 2012, 1:53 pm, in reply to "Re: tell us why ronnie?" Crummy can't dance...He has 2 left feet --Previous Message-- : Doug and many of the other faster cars are : deadly on the tree, I applaud them for that. : They can bump into the beam the same every : time, make whatever adjustment they need to : slow their R/T down and go double 0's pretty : consistently. Either by tire size or an : adjustable type trans brake button, etc. : With the slower cars now being able to stage : the same way, slow their R/T down as needed : you are going to see these same cars : starting to improve a bunch on the tree and : more consistently. I'm sure you know that. : That's why! Doug has danced all around it : but has never truly answered my question on : why he is against the .500 tree. : : --Previous Message-- : dont keep this to urself : : --Previous Message-- : Everyone knows why you don't want the .500 : tree! : : --Previous Message-- : Just saying since we are tayloring the rules : to the slow cars. I know the smart is slow. : : But it's SMART : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: tell us why ronnie? Posted by 777J on January 8, 2012, 7:39 am, in reply to "Re: tell us why ronnie?" Im going to have to agree with Ronnie on this one. Doug is an exceptional racer and will figure it out though. As for towing in the lanes the point doug made about the expense is no where in line. It is cheaper to have a good cooling system or buy another car to tow your vehicle with. If they allow it im going to do it as it gives me a advantage over anyone who doesent do it. By the way I only bring my Motorhome to the track so get out of my way in the lanes because my wife will be driving it lol! --Previous Message-- : Doug and many of the other faster cars are : deadly on the tree, I applaud them for that. : They can bump into the beam the same every : time, make whatever adjustment they need to : slow their R/T down and go double 0's pretty : consistently. Either by tire size or an : adjustable type trans brake button, etc. : With the slower cars now being able to stage : the same way, slow their R/T down as needed : you are going to see these same cars : starting to improve a bunch on the tree and : more consistently. I'm sure you know that. : That's why! Doug has danced all around it : but has never truly answered my question on : why he is against the .500 tree. : : --Previous Message-- : dont keep this to urself : : --Previous Message-- : Everyone knows why you don't want the .500 : tree! : : --Previous Message-- : Just saying since we are tayloring the rules : to the slow cars. I know the smart is slow. : : But it's SMART : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : : : : :

Of the 39 who voted no Towing, would you leave open since you now have a .500 tree because of towin? Posted by Doug Crumlich on January 7, 2012, 5:35 am, in reply to "Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll)" Seems like we have 70 votes on the poll. Wonder where all those cars come from. --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: Of the 39 who voted no Towing, would you leave open since you now have a .500 tree because of towin? Posted by 777J on January 11, 2012, 1:15 pm, in reply to "Of the 39 who voted no Towing, would you leave open since you now have a .500 tree because of towin?" yes --Previous Message-- : Seems like we have 70 votes on the poll. : Wonder where all those cars come from. : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : :

How many new racers would join the O/C Class if you could tow! (Poll) Posted by Ronnie on January 6, 2012, 11:58 pm, in reply to "Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll)" 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ If you are currently running in a different Association or in a class other than O/C would you start running in Open if they allowed towing. Please give us your name, current Assn. or class and I am sure if there were enough NEW racers that the towing rule could probably be changed. I'm for it if it betters the PSCA. --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : :

So I see, only rule changes the promote slower cars??? Posted by Doug Crumlich on January 6, 2012, 6:10 pm, in reply to "Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll)" Well the truth has come out. We have now proposed that towing should be allowed in the lanes in Open comp Just like Pro STREET and OUTLAW, Super and Quick. Other organizations allow it in Open Comp. It adds NO extra money and deters people who push thier cars OR sit until there is a huge space in front of them until they move. Talk about clogging the lanes. BUT in Open Comp we only want to promote the SLOW car counts aparently. That's why we changed a long standing .400 tree to .500? Next we will eliminate the First or worse rule in red lighting because it isn't fair. I for one have the biggest motor in the class, 640. I have a awesome cooling system and numerous times wait for the slower car to get to the lanes because they are hot. I suggest towing as a way to increase faster car counts just like we added the .500 tree to increase slower car counts. Let's be fair here. You now have Super and Quick that can tow, shouldn't we allow those guys to tow in open too? Increased car counts. You guys only want to taylor the rules to your cars. I suggest things than any racer can use no mater if you are 8.60 or 19.60. IF NOT, get rid of the .500 tree and let's play with the 2011 Rules!!! I know you really don't want to do what it takes to increase car counts anyway. --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Doug, Why do you care if the tree was changed from .400 to .500! Posted by Ronnie on January 6, 2012, 8:09 pm, in reply to "So I see, only rule changes the promote slower cars???" 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ Doesn't affect you one bit! --Previous Message-- : Well the truth has come out. : : We have now proposed that towing should be : allowed in the lanes in Open comp Just like : Pro STREET and OUTLAW, Super and Quick. : Other organizations allow it in Open Comp. : : It adds NO extra money and deters people who : push thier cars OR sit until there is a huge : space in front of them until they move. : Talk about clogging the lanes. : : BUT in Open Comp we only want to promote the : SLOW car counts aparently. That's why we : changed a long standing .400 tree to .500? : Next we will eliminate the First or worse : rule in red lighting because it isn't fair. : : I for one have the biggest motor in the : class, 640. I have a awesome cooling system : and numerous times wait for the slower car : to get to the lanes because they are hot. I : suggest towing as a way to increase faster : car counts just like we added the .500 tree : to increase slower car counts. Let's be : fair here. You now have Super and Quick : that can tow, shouldn't we allow those guys : to tow in open too? Increased car counts. : : You guys only want to taylor the rules to : your cars. I suggest things than any racer : can use no mater if you are 8.60 or 19.60. : : IF NOT, get rid of the .500 tree and let's : play with the 2011 Rules!!! : : I know you really don't want to do what it : takes to increase car counts anyway. : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : :

Re: Doug, Why do you care if the tree was changed from .400 to .500! Posted by copley racing on January 7, 2012, 7:47 am, in reply to "Doug, Why do you care if the tree was changed from .400 to .500!" Heres how changing from .400 to a .500 will effect you if you can cut a good light on .400 tree and go in shallow your going to red light everytime on a .500 tree and if you run quick or super your not going to set up your car to leave on a .500 tree. I think open comp is going to lose some cars i hope not for mel sake. --Previous Message-- : Doesn't affect you one bit! : : --Previous Message-- : Well the truth has come out. : : We have now proposed that towing should be : allowed in the lanes in Open comp Just like : Pro STREET and OUTLAW, Super and Quick. : Other organizations allow it in Open Comp. : : It adds NO extra money and deters people who : push thier cars OR sit until there is a huge : space in front of them until they move. : Talk about clogging the lanes. : : BUT in Open Comp we only want to promote the : SLOW car counts aparently. That's why we : changed a long standing .400 tree to .500? : Next we will eliminate the First or worse : rule in red lighting because it isn't fair. : : I for one have the biggest motor in the : class, 640. I have a awesome cooling system : and numerous times wait for the slower car : to get to the lanes because they are hot. I : suggest towing as a way to increase faster : car counts just like we added the .500 tree : to increase slower car counts. Let's be : fair here. You now have Super and Quick : that can tow, shouldn't we allow those guys : to tow in open too? Increased car counts. : : You guys only want to taylor the rules to : your cars. I suggest things than any racer : can use no mater if you are 8.60 or 19.60. : : IF NOT, get rid of the .500 tree and let's : play with the 2011 Rules!!! : : I know you really don't want to do what it : takes to increase car counts anyway. : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : :

You don't have to change to a .500 tree. Posted by Ronnie on January 7, 2012, 9:13 am, in reply to "Re: Doug, Why do you care if the tree was changed from .400 to .500!" 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ In open comp there is going to be a split tree, take your pick .400 or .500. Doesn't make a bit of difference to O/C racers. And it is going to eliminate deep staging. The only class affected is Mean Street and more than half of the cars had to go deep so .500 make more sense. A larger tire on the front with an adjustable trans brake button and 90% of the cars are good. --Previous Message-- : : Heres how changing from .400 to a .500 will : effect you if you can cut a good light on : .400 tree and go in shallow your going to : red light everytime on a .500 tree and if : you run quick or super your not going to set : up your car to leave on a .500 tree. I think : open comp is going to lose some cars i hope : not for mel sake. : : --Previous Message-- : Doesn't affect you one bit! : : --Previous Message-- : Well the truth has come out. : : We have now proposed that towing should be : allowed in the lanes in Open comp Just like : Pro STREET and OUTLAW, Super and Quick. : Other organizations allow it in Open Comp. : : It adds NO extra money and deters people who : push thier cars OR sit until there is a huge : space in front of them until they move. : Talk about clogging the lanes. : : BUT in Open Comp we only want to promote the : SLOW car counts aparently. That's why we : changed a long standing .400 tree to .500? : Next we will eliminate the First or worse : rule in red lighting because it isn't fair. : : I for one have the biggest motor in the : class, 640. I have a awesome cooling system : and numerous times wait for the slower car : to get to the lanes because they are hot. I : suggest towing as a way to increase faster : car counts just like we added the .500 tree : to increase slower car counts. Let's be : fair here. You now have Super and Quick : that can tow, shouldn't we allow those guys : to tow in open too? Increased car counts. : : You guys only want to taylor the rules to : your cars. I suggest things than any racer : can use no mater if you are 8.60 or 19.60. : : IF NOT, get rid of the .500 tree and let's : play with the 2011 Rules!!! : : I know you really don't want to do what it : takes to increase car counts anyway. : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : : :

Re: You don't have to change to a .500 tree. Posted by glenn mcdowell on January 7, 2012, 4:40 pm, in reply to "You don't have to change to a .500 tree." smaller tires and adjustable trans brake button some limiters your car can and will work in a 400 world also and maybe even a pinion angle change might be needed --Previous Message-- : In open comp there is going to be a split : tree, take your pick .400 or .500. Doesn't : make a bit of difference to O/C racers. And : it is going to eliminate deep staging. The : only class affected is Mean Street and more : than half of the cars had to go deep so .500 : make more sense. A larger tire on the front : with an adjustable trans brake button and : 90% of the cars are good. : : --Previous Message-- : : Heres how changing from .400 to a .500 will : effect you if you can cut a good light on : .400 tree and go in shallow your going to : red light everytime on a .500 tree and if : you run quick or super your not going to set : up your car to leave on a .500 tree. I think : open comp is going to lose some cars i hope : not for mel sake. : : --Previous Message-- : Doesn't affect you one bit! : : --Previous Message-- : Well the truth has come out. : : We have now proposed that towing should be : allowed in the lanes in Open comp Just like : Pro STREET and OUTLAW, Super and Quick. : Other organizations allow it in Open Comp. : : It adds NO extra money and deters people who : push thier cars OR sit until there is a huge : space in front of them until they move. : Talk about clogging the lanes. : : BUT in Open Comp we only want to promote the : SLOW car counts aparently. That's why we : changed a long standing .400 tree to .500? : Next we will eliminate the First or worse : rule in red lighting because it isn't fair. : : I for one have the biggest motor in the : class, 640. I have a awesome cooling system : and numerous times wait for the slower car : to get to the lanes because they are hot. I : suggest towing as a way to increase faster : car counts just like we added the .500 tree : to increase slower car counts. Let's be : fair here. You now have Super and Quick : that can tow, shouldn't we allow those guys : to tow in open too? Increased car counts. : : You guys only want to taylor the rules to : your cars. I suggest things than any racer : can use no mater if you are 8.60 or 19.60. : : IF NOT, get rid of the .500 tree and let's : play with the 2011 Rules!!! : : I know you really don't want to do what it : takes to increase car counts anyway. : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: You don't have to change to a .500 tree. Posted by Doug Crumlich on January 7, 2012, 4:50 pm, in reply to "Re: You don't have to change to a .500 tree." Glen, Tell them how fast your car is. They won't believe you. Must be inpossible. --Previous Message-- : : smaller tires and adjustable trans brake : button some limiters your car can and : will work in a 400 world also and maybe : even a pinion angle change might be needed : : : --Previous Message-- : In open comp there is going to be a split : tree, take your pick .400 or .500. Doesn't : make a bit of difference to O/C racers. And : it is going to eliminate deep staging. The : only class affected is Mean Street and more : than half of the cars had to go deep so .500 : make more sense. A larger tire on the front : with an adjustable trans brake button and : 90% of the cars are good. : : --Previous Message-- : : Heres how changing from .400 to a .500 will : effect you if you can cut a good light on : .400 tree and go in shallow your going to : red light everytime on a .500 tree and if : you run quick or super your not going to set : up your car to leave on a .500 tree. I think : open comp is going to lose some cars i hope : not for mel sake. : : --Previous Message-- : Doesn't affect you one bit! : : --Previous Message-- : Well the truth has come out. : : We have now proposed that towing should be : allowed in the lanes in Open comp Just like : Pro STREET and OUTLAW, Super and Quick. : Other organizations allow it in Open Comp. : : It adds NO extra money and deters people who : push thier cars OR sit until there is a huge : space in front of them until they move. : Talk about clogging the lanes. : : BUT in Open Comp we only want to promote the : SLOW car counts aparently. That's why we : changed a long standing .400 tree to .500? : Next we will eliminate the First or worse : rule in red lighting because it isn't fair. : : I for one have the biggest motor in the : class, 640. I have a awesome cooling system : and numerous times wait for the slower car : to get to the lanes because they are hot. I : suggest towing as a way to increase faster : car counts just like we added the .500 tree : to increase slower car counts. Let's be : fair here. You now have Super and Quick : that can tow, shouldn't we allow those guys : to tow in open too? Increased car counts. : : You guys only want to taylor the rules to : your cars. I suggest things than any racer : can use no mater if you are 8.60 or 19.60. : : IF NOT, get rid of the .500 tree and let's : play with the 2011 Rules!!! : : I know you really don't want to do what it : takes to increase car counts anyway. : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: Ron, Why do you care if someone tows? Posted by Doug Crumlich on January 6, 2012, 11:23 pm, in reply to "Doug, Why do you care if the tree was changed from .400 to .500!" Why do you care if someone tows? Doesn't affect you a bit?? Isn't the race decided after we take the tree? There is no advantage, everyone could do it if they wanted, no change to your race car, unlike changing the rules on the race track. You can already tow to the back of the lanes. I am sure you see me coming right into the lanes after a pass when we are hot lapping. And I have 640 inches. Just trying to get more cars in Open. I thought you said that was our goal? --Previous Message-- : Doesn't affect you one bit! : : --Previous Message-- : Well the truth has come out. : : We have now proposed that towing should be : allowed in the lanes in Open comp Just like : Pro STREET and OUTLAW, Super and Quick. : Other organizations allow it in Open Comp. : : It adds NO extra money and deters people who : push thier cars OR sit until there is a huge : space in front of them until they move. : Talk about clogging the lanes. : : BUT in Open Comp we only want to promote the : SLOW car counts aparently. That's why we : changed a long standing .400 tree to .500? : Next we will eliminate the First or worse : rule in red lighting because it isn't fair. : : I for one have the biggest motor in the : class, 640. I have a awesome cooling system : and numerous times wait for the slower car : to get to the lanes because they are hot. I : suggest towing as a way to increase faster : car counts just like we added the .500 tree : to increase slower car counts. Let's be : fair here. You now have Super and Quick : that can tow, shouldn't we allow those guys : to tow in open too? Increased car counts. : : You guys only want to taylor the rules to : your cars. I suggest things than any racer : can use no mater if you are 8.60 or 19.60. : : IF NOT, get rid of the .500 tree and let's : play with the 2011 Rules!!! : : I know you really don't want to do what it : takes to increase car counts anyway. : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

I've answered your question, now answer mine! Posted by Ronnie on January 6, 2012, 11:50 pm, in reply to "Re: Ron, Why do you care if someone tows? " 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ It does affect me if they allow it in a class I race. I don't like people trying to get an extra edge on other racers. Towing is an advantage to many cars. You can't possibly say it isn't. Many racers come by themselves like I said a few different times and they would not have that towing luxury. It would be an unfair advantage to many racers. It doesn't bother me, I've never had an overheating problem. But it definitely is to some. Like I've said a dozen times, lets try and keep the playing field even. If it truly would bring more cars then I would be for it, unfair or not. --Previous Message-- : Why do you care if someone tows? : : Doesn't affect you a bit?? : : Isn't the race decided after we take the : tree? : : There is no advantage, everyone could do it : if they wanted, no change to your race car, : unlike changing the rules on the race track. : You can already tow to the back of the : lanes. : : I am sure you see me coming right into the : lanes after a pass when we are hot lapping. : And I have 640 inches. : : Just trying to get more cars in Open. I : thought you said that was our goal? : : : --Previous Message-- : Doesn't affect you one bit! : : --Previous Message-- : Well the truth has come out. : : We have now proposed that towing should be : allowed in the lanes in Open comp Just like : Pro STREET and OUTLAW, Super and Quick. : Other organizations allow it in Open Comp. : : It adds NO extra money and deters people who : push thier cars OR sit until there is a huge : space in front of them until they move. : Talk about clogging the lanes. : : BUT in Open Comp we only want to promote the : SLOW car counts aparently. That's why we : changed a long standing .400 tree to .500? : Next we will eliminate the First or worse : rule in red lighting because it isn't fair. : : I for one have the biggest motor in the : class, 640. I have a awesome cooling system : and numerous times wait for the slower car : to get to the lanes because they are hot. I : suggest towing as a way to increase faster : car counts just like we added the .500 tree : to increase slower car counts. Let's be : fair here. You now have Super and Quick : that can tow, shouldn't we allow those guys : to tow in open too? Increased car counts. : : You guys only want to taylor the rules to : your cars. I suggest things than any racer : can use no mater if you are 8.60 or 19.60. : : IF NOT, get rid of the .500 tree and let's : play with the 2011 Rules!!! : : I know you really don't want to do what it : takes to increase car counts anyway. : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: I've answered your question, now answer mine! Posted by Doug Crumlich on January 7, 2012, 5:31 am, in reply to "I've answered your question, now answer mine!" Still don't see how it is an advantage other than not forcing a racer to upgrade thier cooling system to run two categories. We can tow to the entry of the staging lanes and then push our cars the rest of the way. I guess in your mind that is unfair because if you travel alone, you really can't push your car to the ready line?? As you know, I definitely do not have a cooling problem but looking for solutions for the other group of racers that are not 10 sec and slower. Let's just race under the old rules, .400 and no tow. Then no one has any more advantage than the previous year. --Previous Message-- : It does affect me if they allow it in a class : I race. I don't like people trying to get : an extra edge on other racers. Towing is an : advantage to many cars. You can't possibly : say it isn't. Many racers come by : themselves like I said a few different times : and they would not have that towing luxury. : It would be an unfair advantage to many : racers. It doesn't bother me, I've never : had an overheating problem. But it : definitely is to some. Like I've said a : dozen times, lets try and keep the playing : field even. If it truly would bring more : cars then I would be for it, unfair or not. : : --Previous Message-- : Why do you care if someone tows? : : Doesn't affect you a bit?? : : Isn't the race decided after we take the : tree? : : There is no advantage, everyone could do it : if they wanted, no change to your race car, : unlike changing the rules on the race track. : You can already tow to the back of the : lanes. : : I am sure you see me coming right into the : lanes after a pass when we are hot lapping. : And I have 640 inches. : : Just trying to get more cars in Open. I : thought you said that was our goal? : : : --Previous Message-- : Doesn't affect you one bit! : : --Previous Message-- : Well the truth has come out. : : We have now proposed that towing should be : allowed in the lanes in Open comp Just like : Pro STREET and OUTLAW, Super and Quick. : Other organizations allow it in Open Comp. : : It adds NO extra money and deters people who : push thier cars OR sit until there is a huge : space in front of them until they move. : Talk about clogging the lanes. : : BUT in Open Comp we only want to promote the : SLOW car counts aparently. That's why we : changed a long standing .400 tree to .500? : Next we will eliminate the First or worse : rule in red lighting because it isn't fair. : : I for one have the biggest motor in the : class, 640. I have a awesome cooling system : and numerous times wait for the slower car : to get to the lanes because they are hot. I : suggest towing as a way to increase faster : car counts just like we added the .500 tree : to increase slower car counts. Let's be : fair here. You now have Super and Quick : that can tow, shouldn't we allow those guys : to tow in open too? Increased car counts. : : You guys only want to taylor the rules to : your cars. I suggest things than any racer : can use no mater if you are 8.60 or 19.60. : : IF NOT, get rid of the .500 tree and let's : play with the 2011 Rules!!! : : I know you really don't want to do what it : takes to increase car counts anyway. : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

DOUG, YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY ORIGINAL QUESTION! Posted by Ronnie on January 7, 2012, 9:22 am, in reply to "Re: I've answered your question, now answer mine!" 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ Why do you care if the tree was changed from .400 to .500. That will not affect you at all. --Previous Message-- : Still don't see how it is an advantage other : than not forcing a racer to upgrade thier : cooling system to run two categories. : : We can tow to the entry of the staging lanes : and then push our cars the rest of the way. : I guess in your mind that is unfair because : if you travel alone, you really can't push : your car to the ready line?? : : As you know, I definitely do not have a : cooling problem but looking for solutions : for the other group of racers that are not : 10 sec and slower. : : Let's just race under the old rules, .400 : and no tow. Then no one has any more : advantage than the previous year. : : : --Previous Message-- : It does affect me if they allow it in a : class : I race. I don't like people trying to get : an extra edge on other racers. Towing is an : advantage to many cars. You can't possibly : say it isn't. Many racers come by : themselves like I said a few different times : and they would not have that towing luxury. : It would be an unfair advantage to many : racers. It doesn't bother me, I've never : had an overheating problem. But it : definitely is to some. Like I've said a : dozen times, lets try and keep the playing : field even. If it truly would bring more : cars then I would be for it, unfair or not. : : --Previous Message-- : Why do you care if someone tows? : : Doesn't affect you a bit?? : : Isn't the race decided after we take the : tree? : : There is no advantage, everyone could do it : if they wanted, no change to your race car, : unlike changing the rules on the race track. : You can already tow to the back of the : lanes. : : I am sure you see me coming right into the : lanes after a pass when we are hot lapping. : And I have 640 inches. : : Just trying to get more cars in Open. I : thought you said that was our goal? : : : --Previous Message-- : Doesn't affect you one bit! : : --Previous Message-- : Well the truth has come out. : : We have now proposed that towing should be : allowed in the lanes in Open comp Just like : Pro STREET and OUTLAW, Super and Quick. : Other organizations allow it in Open Comp. : : It adds NO extra money and deters people who : push thier cars OR sit until there is a huge : space in front of them until they move. : Talk about clogging the lanes. : : BUT in Open Comp we only want to promote the : SLOW car counts aparently. That's why we : changed a long standing .400 tree to .500? : Next we will eliminate the First or worse : rule in red lighting because it isn't fair. : : I for one have the biggest motor in the : class, 640. I have a awesome cooling system : and numerous times wait for the slower car : to get to the lanes because they are hot. I : suggest towing as a way to increase faster : car counts just like we added the .500 tree : to increase slower car counts. Let's be : fair here. You now have Super and Quick : that can tow, shouldn't we allow those guys : to tow in open too? Increased car counts. : : You guys only want to taylor the rules to : your cars. I suggest things than any racer : can use no mater if you are 8.60 or 19.60. : : IF NOT, get rid of the .500 tree and let's : play with the 2011 Rules!!! : : I know you really don't want to do what it : takes to increase car counts anyway. : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: DOUG, YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY ORIGINAL QUESTION! Posted by Doug Crumlich on January 7, 2012, 10:53 am, in reply to "DOUG, YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY ORIGINAL QUESTION!" Well, this first time that the track makes a mistake on the input of .400 or .500 there will be big issues. Now you would have a rerun, if you can prove it, and then Mel's show gets off schedule. You say put a bigger tire on and longer button. I thought this was all about increasing car counts and not increasing racer cost. Tires $400 New button $50 500ft of 18 gauge wire (to slow the transbrake down) $200 Visa Priceless Towing in the lanes FREE Well seems like you found a way to increase cost over last years rules. I for one might run the .500 tree just to keep you honest. --Previous Message-- : Why do you care if the tree was changed from : .400 to .500. That will not affect you at : all. : : --Previous Message-- : Still don't see how it is an advantage other : than not forcing a racer to upgrade thier : cooling system to run two categories. : : We can tow to the entry of the staging lanes : and then push our cars the rest of the way. : I guess in your mind that is unfair because : if you travel alone, you really can't push : your car to the ready line?? : : As you know, I definitely do not have a : cooling problem but looking for solutions : for the other group of racers that are not : 10 sec and slower. : : Let's just race under the old rules, .400 : and no tow. Then no one has any more : advantage than the previous year. : : : --Previous Message-- : It does affect me if they allow it in a : class : I race. I don't like people trying to get : an extra edge on other racers. Towing is an : advantage to many cars. You can't possibly : say it isn't. Many racers come by : themselves like I said a few different times : and they would not have that towing luxury. : It would be an unfair advantage to many : racers. It doesn't bother me, I've never : had an overheating problem. But it : definitely is to some. Like I've said a : dozen times, lets try and keep the playing : field even. If it truly would bring more : cars then I would be for it, unfair or not. : : --Previous Message-- : Why do you care if someone tows? : : Doesn't affect you a bit?? : : Isn't the race decided after we take the : tree? : : There is no advantage, everyone could do it : if they wanted, no change to your race car, : unlike changing the rules on the race track. : You can already tow to the back of the : lanes. : : I am sure you see me coming right into the : lanes after a pass when we are hot lapping. : And I have 640 inches. : : Just trying to get more cars in Open. I : thought you said that was our goal? : : : --Previous Message-- : Doesn't affect you one bit! : : --Previous Message-- : Well the truth has come out. : : We have now proposed that towing should be : allowed in the lanes in Open comp Just like : Pro STREET and OUTLAW, Super and Quick. : Other organizations allow it in Open Comp. : : It adds NO extra money and deters people who : push thier cars OR sit until there is a huge : space in front of them until they move. : Talk about clogging the lanes. : : BUT in Open Comp we only want to promote the : SLOW car counts aparently. That's why we : changed a long standing .400 tree to .500? : Next we will eliminate the First or worse : rule in red lighting because it isn't fair. : : I for one have the biggest motor in the : class, 640. I have a awesome cooling system : and numerous times wait for the slower car : to get to the lanes because they are hot. I : suggest towing as a way to increase faster : car counts just like we added the .500 tree : to increase slower car counts. Let's be : fair here. You now have Super and Quick : that can tow, shouldn't we allow those guys : to tow in open too? Increased car counts. : : You guys only want to taylor the rules to : your cars. I suggest things than any racer : can use no mater if you are 8.60 or 19.60. : : IF NOT, get rid of the .500 tree and let's : play with the 2011 Rules!!! : : I know you really don't want to do what it : takes to increase car counts anyway. : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: DOUG, YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY ORIGINAL QUESTION! Posted by Dak on January 7, 2012, 11:21 am, in reply to "Re: DOUG, YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY ORIGINAL QUESTION!" PSCA Quick Street Agreed Doug. Personally, I don't care if they split the tree, my concern matches yours: Will it work each and every time, without mistakes? I posted this earlier and have not received an answer yet. I will run the .400, but if I get the wrong tree and go red by .080, how will I prove it? I seriously doubt if there will be a rerun. You will be screwed at that point and most likely not run O/C again. Once again; Great if it will work without any mistakes...ANY mistakes. --Previous Message-- : Well, this first time that the track makes a : mistake on the input of .400 or .500 there : will be big issues. : : Now you would have a rerun, if you can prove : it, and then Mel's show gets off schedule. : : You say put a bigger tire on and longer : button. I thought this was all about : increasing car counts and not increasing : racer cost. : : Tires $400 : New button $50 : 500ft of 18 gauge wire (to slow the : transbrake down) $200 : Visa Priceless : Towing in the lanes FREE : : : : Well seems like you found a way to increase : cost over last years rules. : : I for one might run the .500 tree just to : keep you honest. : : --Previous Message-- : Why do you care if the tree was changed from : .400 to .500. That will not affect you at : all. : : --Previous Message-- : Still don't see how it is an advantage other : than not forcing a racer to upgrade thier : cooling system to run two categories. : : We can tow to the entry of the staging lanes : and then push our cars the rest of the way. : I guess in your mind that is unfair because : if you travel alone, you really can't push : your car to the ready line?? : : As you know, I definitely do not have a : cooling problem but looking for solutions : for the other group of racers that are not : 10 sec and slower. : : Let's just race under the old rules, .400 : and no tow. Then no one has any more : advantage than the previous year. : : : --Previous Message-- : It does affect me if they allow it in a : class : I race. I don't like people trying to get : an extra edge on other racers. Towing is an : advantage to many cars. You can't possibly : say it isn't. Many racers come by : themselves like I said a few different times : and they would not have that towing luxury. : It would be an unfair advantage to many : racers. It doesn't bother me, I've never : had an overheating problem. But it : definitely is to some. Like I've said a : dozen times, lets try and keep the playing : field even. If it truly would bring more : cars then I would be for it, unfair or not. : : --Previous Message-- : Why do you care if someone tows? : : Doesn't affect you a bit?? : : Isn't the race decided after we take the : tree? : : There is no advantage, everyone could do it : if they wanted, no change to your race car, : unlike changing the rules on the race track. : You can already tow to the back of the : lanes. : : I am sure you see me coming right into the : lanes after a pass when we are hot lapping. : And I have 640 inches. : : Just trying to get more cars in Open. I : thought you said that was our goal? : : : --Previous Message-- : Doesn't affect you one bit! : : --Previous Message-- : Well the truth has come out. : : We have now proposed that towing should be : allowed in the lanes in Open comp Just like : Pro STREET and OUTLAW, Super and Quick. : Other organizations allow it in Open Comp. : : It adds NO extra money and deters people who : push thier cars OR sit until there is a huge : space in front of them until they move. : Talk about clogging the lanes. : : BUT in Open Comp we only want to promote the : SLOW car counts aparently. That's why we : changed a long standing .400 tree to .500? : Next we will eliminate the First or worse : rule in red lighting because it isn't fair. : : I for one have the biggest motor in the : class, 640. I have a awesome cooling system : and numerous times wait for the slower car : to get to the lanes because they are hot. I : suggest towing as a way to increase faster : car counts just like we added the .500 tree : to increase slower car counts. Let's be : fair here. You now have Super and Quick : that can tow, shouldn't we allow those guys : to tow in open too? Increased car counts. : : You guys only want to taylor the rules to : your cars. I suggest things than any racer : can use no mater if you are 8.60 or 19.60. : : IF NOT, get rid of the .500 tree and let's : play with the 2011 Rules!!! : : I know you really don't want to do what it : takes to increase car counts anyway. : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

OLD RULES AND .400 TREE LEAVE THINGS ALONE Posted by DonMc on January 7, 2012, 3:05 pm, in reply to "Re: DOUG, YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY ORIGINAL QUESTION!" .400 TREE AND .500 TREE MIX IN OPEN WILL BE A MESS SOONER OR LATER.LET EVERYBODY TOW IF THEY WANT TO. --Previous Message-- : Agreed Doug. Personally, I don't care if they : split the tree, my concern matches yours: : Will it work each and every time, without : mistakes? I posted this earlier and have not : received an answer yet. I will run the .400, : but if I get the wrong tree and go red by : .080, how will I prove it? I seriously doubt : if there will be a rerun. You will be : screwed at that point and most likely not : run O/C again. Once again; Great if it will : work without any mistakes...ANY mistakes. : : --Previous Message-- : Well, this first time that the track makes a : mistake on the input of .400 or .500 there : will be big issues. : : Now you would have a rerun, if you can prove : it, and then Mel's show gets off schedule. : : You say put a bigger tire on and longer : button. I thought this was all about : increasing car counts and not increasing : racer cost. : : Tires $400 : New button $50 : 500ft of 18 gauge wire (to slow the : transbrake down) $200 : Visa Priceless : Towing in the lanes FREE : : : : Well seems like you found a way to increase : cost over last years rules. : : I for one might run the .500 tree just to : keep you honest. : : --Previous Message-- : Why do you care if the tree was changed from : .400 to .500. That will not affect you at : all. : : --Previous Message-- : Still don't see how it is an advantage other : than not forcing a racer to upgrade thier : cooling system to run two categories. : : We can tow to the entry of the staging lanes : and then push our cars the rest of the way. : I guess in your mind that is unfair because : if you travel alone, you really can't push : your car to the ready line?? : : As you know, I definitely do not have a : cooling problem but looking for solutions : for the other group of racers that are not : 10 sec and slower. : : Let's just race under the old rules, .400 : and no tow. Then no one has any more : advantage than the previous year. : : : --Previous Message-- : It does affect me if they allow it in a : class : I race. I don't like people trying to get : an extra edge on other racers. Towing is an : advantage to many cars. You can't possibly : say it isn't. Many racers come by : themselves like I said a few different times : and they would not have that towing luxury. : It would be an unfair advantage to many : racers. It doesn't bother me, I've never : had an overheating problem. But it : definitely is to some. Like I've said a : dozen times, lets try and keep the playing : field even. If it truly would bring more : cars then I would be for it, unfair or not. : : --Previous Message-- : Why do you care if someone tows? : : Doesn't affect you a bit?? : : Isn't the race decided after we take the : tree? : : There is no advantage, everyone could do it : if they wanted, no change to your race car, : unlike changing the rules on the race track. : You can already tow to the back of the : lanes. : : I am sure you see me coming right into the : lanes after a pass when we are hot lapping. : And I have 640 inches. : : Just trying to get more cars in Open. I : thought you said that was our goal? : : : --Previous Message-- : Doesn't affect you one bit! : : --Previous Message-- : Well the truth has come out. : : We have now proposed that towing should be : allowed in the lanes in Open comp Just like : Pro STREET and OUTLAW, Super and Quick. : Other organizations allow it in Open Comp. : : It adds NO extra money and deters people who : push thier cars OR sit until there is a huge : space in front of them until they move. : Talk about clogging the lanes. : : BUT in Open Comp we only want to promote the : SLOW car counts aparently. That's why we : changed a long standing .400 tree to .500? : Next we will eliminate the First or worse : rule in red lighting because it isn't fair. : : I for one have the biggest motor in the : class, 640. I have a awesome cooling system : and numerous times wait for the slower car : to get to the lanes because they are hot. I : suggest towing as a way to increase faster : car counts just like we added the .500 tree : to increase slower car counts. Let's be : fair here. You now have Super and Quick : that can tow, shouldn't we allow those guys : to tow in open too? Increased car counts. : : You guys only want to taylor the rules to : your cars. I suggest things than any racer : can use no mater if you are 8.60 or 19.60. : : IF NOT, get rid of the .500 tree and let's : play with the 2011 Rules!!! : : I know you really don't want to do what it : takes to increase car counts anyway. : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

I respectably disagree Don... Posted by Mel / PSCA on January 7, 2012, 3:22 pm, in reply to "OLD RULES AND .400 TREE LEAVE THINGS ALONE" It'll be hard to match all the apparent quick trees that we have been dealing with for years due to Deep Staging.. Split Tree isn't gonna be perfect, but I think it's a step in the right direction

Yes Iam wrong in what I said Posted by DonMc on January 7, 2012, 4:38 pm, in reply to "I respectably disagree Don..." Shouldnt have said leave things the same.Adding 11.60 and 12.60 class's ok.Tow Ok .500 lite in classes ok [I dont want to run a .500 lite myself].Is having a .400 lite and a .500 lite in open the only way to handle quick lites.Again split lites in open will be a problem at times.I have been had and have seen quick lites in vegas only.Never in fontana or one race in Phoenix in 4 years. --Previous Message-- : It'll be hard to match all the apparent quick : trees that we have been dealing with for : years due to Deep Staging.. Split Tree isn't : gonna be perfect, but I think it's a step in : the right direction : :

Not Perfect??? Posted by Dak on January 7, 2012, 3:55 pm, in reply to "I respectably disagree Don..." PSCA Quick Street Well, if it is not perfect I would say forget it. I have posted twice asking how it will work with no response. Maybe this is a premature question, (which is ok at this time)or does somebody actually know how it will be set up? If it is not perfect, and subject to human error, count me out! --Previous Message-- : It'll be hard to match all the apparent quick : trees that we have been dealing with for : years due to Deep Staging.. Split Tree isn't : gonna be perfect, but I think it's a step in : the right direction : :

Come on Dak, nothing in life is ever PERFECT Posted by Mel / PSCA on January 7, 2012, 4:19 pm, in reply to "Not Perfect???" The tracks both agree that changing Open Comp to a split tree over allowing "Deep Staging" will be move in the right direction. We have had so much downtime due to Quick tree'd controversy we needed to make an attempt to make PSCA racing better. We will have a plan in place at the 1st event in Vegas, let's be positive!!

I think Dak was just letting his concerns known. Posted by Doug Crumlich on January 7, 2012, 5:54 pm, in reply to "Come on Dak, nothing in life is ever PERFECT" I'm in for the split tree. Why not give it a try. I open for things that help the racers. --Previous Message-- : The tracks both agree that changing Open Comp : to a split tree over allowing "Deep : Staging" will be move in the right : direction. We have had so much downtime due : to Quick tree'd controversy we needed to : make an attempt to make PSCA racing better. : : We will have a plan in place at the 1st : event in Vegas, let's be positive!! : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Sorry. Posted by Dak on January 7, 2012, 4:43 pm, in reply to "Come on Dak, nothing in life is ever PERFECT" PSCA Quick Street I did not mean to sound grouchy. I just hope it works without everyone that goes red complaining that they were given the wrong tree. Maybe I am reading too much into it. But, as I mentioned before; I have no problem with using the split tree. --Previous Message-- : The tracks both agree that changing Open Comp : to a split tree over allowing "Deep : Staging" will be move in the right : direction. We have had so much downtime due : to Quick tree'd controversy we needed to : make an attempt to make PSCA racing better. : : We will have a plan in place at the 1st : event in Vegas, let's be positive!! : : :

I am curious to see what is on the time slip for notification. Posted by Doug Crumlich on January 7, 2012, 3:40 pm, in reply to "I respectably disagree Don..." Mel. I have to admit, I have not seen time slips with a split tree before. Will it show what tree was selected by each racer? If so, than it would be easy to determine that it is incorrect and that a rerun be made. Just concerned that this could slow down your show. No problem on my side. --Previous Message-- : It'll be hard to match all the apparent quick : trees that we have been dealing with for : years due to Deep Staging.. Split Tree isn't : gonna be perfect, but I think it's a step in : the right direction : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: I am curious to see what is on the time slip for notification. Posted by Brad Cannon on January 7, 2012, 6:18 pm, in reply to "I am curious to see what is on the time slip for notification." Doug, Time slip notification in eliminations would be the "S" after the dial in. --Previous Message-- : Mel. : : I have to admit, I have not seen time slips : with a split tree before. : : Will it show what tree was selected by each : racer? If so, than it would be easy to : determine that it is incorrect and that a : rerun be made. : : Just concerned that this could slow down : your show. : : No problem on my side. : : : : --Previous Message-- : It'll be hard to match all the apparent : quick : trees that we have been dealing with for : years due to Deep Staging.. Split Tree isn't : gonna be perfect, but I think it's a step in : the right direction : : : : :

Is this really a big deal? Posted by quickstang on January 6, 2012, 10:47 am, in reply to "Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll)" Who really cares if you tow or not tow? --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : :

Can you imagine the cluster it would be pairing up 1st round if everyone towed. Posted by Ronnie on January 6, 2012, 9:09 am, in reply to "Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll)" 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ It's already a mess and if the car counts continue to grow it will get worse. --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : :

Not near the cluster you will see when they try to keep the split tree correct Posted by Doug Crumlich on January 6, 2012, 11:31 pm, in reply to "Can you imagine the cluster it would be pairing up 1st round if everyone towed." I think the tree will be more of an issue for the track than towing, which is done in many classes in PSCA. No other class has a split tree. --Previous Message-- : It's already a mess and if the car counts : continue to grow it will get worse. : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: Can you imagine the cluster it would be pairing up 1st round if everyone towed. Posted by dragracer on January 6, 2012, 5:16 pm, in reply to "Can you imagine the cluster it would be pairing up 1st round if everyone towed." --Previous Message-- : It's already a mess and if the car counts : continue to grow it will get worse. : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : We tow in Super Comp with alot longer cars plus larger car counts...It is all about car counts if I remember correctly...How much room does a golf cart or Smart Car take up anyway :

Re: Can you imagine the cluster it would be pairing up 1st round if everyone towed. Posted by glenn mcdowell on January 7, 2012, 4:46 pm, in reply to "Re: Can you imagine the cluster it would be pairing up 1st round if everyone towed." im towing mine with something built for the job an international 4700 TOW truck and see no problem there --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : It's already a mess and if the car counts : continue to grow it will get worse. : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : We tow in Super Comp with alot longer cars : plus larger car counts...It is all about car : counts if I remember correctly...How much : room does a golf cart or Smart Car take up : anyway : : :

And I bet you would to anyone, for a fee :) Posted by Doug Crumlich on January 7, 2012, 5:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Can you imagine the cluster it would be pairing up 1st round if everyone towed." Being that you are a professional. --Previous Message-- : : im towing mine with something built for the : job an international 4700 TOW truck and see : no problem there : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : It's already a mess and if the car counts : continue to grow it will get worse. : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : We tow in Super Comp with alot longer cars : plus larger car counts...It is all about car : counts if I remember correctly...How much : room does a golf cart or Smart Car take up : anyway : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

lane conjestion Posted by glenn mcdowell on January 7, 2012, 6:03 pm, in reply to "And I bet you would to anyone, for a fee :)" we have all seen 100 super comp pippers being towed oh what a mess that wasnot all worked out and they cant turn correctly --Previous Message-- : Being that you are a professional. : : --Previous Message-- : : im towing mine with something built for the : job an international 4700 TOW truck and see : no problem there : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : It's already a mess and if the car counts : continue to grow it will get worse. : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : We tow in Super Comp with alot longer cars : plus larger car counts...It is all about car : counts if I remember correctly...How much : room does a golf cart or Smart Car take up : anyway : : : : : : :

Re: Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll) Posted by JMRacer on January 6, 2012, 9:02 am, in reply to "Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll)" Towing would become an advantage when they start hot lapping. Keep the playing field level, I say no. --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : :

Re: Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll) Posted by Dak on January 6, 2012, 5:50 am, in reply to "Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll)" PSCA Quick Street There are not too many cars that will tow, so I don't see the problem. I do not tow my race car, but towing sure helps when it is hot outside and you are going through the rounds with a big inch motor. Who wants to strap a huge, 50 lb. radiator to their car? If there is no towing allowed, and the line initially moves pretty quick, a few guys are going to end up having to push their car 100 yards to the front of the lanes. People that prefer to tow their vehicles have never bothered me one bit. Actually, I never gave it a thought. --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : :

Split O/C! 9.99 and quicker .400 & towing, 10.00 & slower .500 & no towing! Posted by Ronnie on January 5, 2012, 11:08 pm, in reply to "Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll)" 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ Many racers come to the track by themselves, makes towing a little tough. Make it the same for all racers! NO TOWING! Simple & Fair! --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : :

Re: Split O/C! 9.99 and quicker .400 & towing, 10.00 & slower .500 & no towing! Posted by Davey on January 6, 2012, 7:52 am, in reply to "Split O/C! 9.99 and quicker .400 & towing, 10.00 & slower .500 & no towing! " 2nd in Street Muscle Points "street" cars shouldn't be towed at all...otherwise call them what they are...no one likes to hot lap their cars in the heat.... --Previous Message-- : Many racers come to the track by themselves, : makes towing a little tough. Make it the : same for all racers! NO TOWING! Simple : & Fair! : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : :

If everyone towed in O/C it would be a mess in the staging lanes. Posted by Ronnie on January 5, 2012, 11:03 pm, in reply to "Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll)" 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ nm --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : :

what mess? Posted by quickstang on January 6, 2012, 11:35 am, in reply to "If everyone towed in O/C it would be a mess in the staging lanes." never seen a tow vehicle sitting in front of the stands win a drag race --Previous Message-- : nm : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : :

Re: Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll) Posted by DCZ28 on January 5, 2012, 6:59 pm, in reply to "Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll)" I'm all for it. Now if I can get the Smart car to tow me. Doug Carter --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : :

Re: Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll) Posted by Doug Crumlich on January 5, 2012, 4:58 pm, in reply to "Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll)" OH Very funny. (Smart Car) But really, if you allow towing, does it hurt anyone that doesn't tow? Maybe this will help get some more double entries that are afraid of overheating? --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

If you can push it, why not tow it? Posted by Super_Racer on January 6, 2012, 3:40 pm, in reply to "Re: Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll)" who cares about towing a car up, if you have a big crew you can push the car so where's an advantage? Unless you ban big crews next? --Previous Message-- : OH Very funny. (Smart Car) : : But really, if you allow towing, does it : hurt anyone that doesn't tow? : : Maybe this will help get some more double : entries that are afraid of overheating? : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : :

Towing is an advantage! Posted by Ronnie on January 6, 2012, 8:36 pm, in reply to "If you can push it, why not tow it?" 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ What if your one of the many racers who come by themselves. Let's keep the playing field as even as possible. --Previous Message-- : who cares about towing a car up, if you have a : big crew you can push the car so where's an : advantage? Unless you ban big crews next? : : --Previous Message-- : OH Very funny. (Smart Car) : : But really, if you allow towing, does it : hurt anyone that doesn't tow? : : Maybe this will help get some more double : entries that are afraid of overheating? : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : :

phone a friend problem solved Posted by glenn mcdowell on January 7, 2012, 8:34 pm, in reply to "Towing is an advantage!" oh btw have them race a car also oh two down in one swoope

Re: Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll) Posted by 777J on January 6, 2012, 8:00 am, in reply to "Re: Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll)" problem is if everyone starts to tow then there will be no room in the lanes. Im all for it, towing would be sweet but it takes double the room. --Previous Message-- : OH Very funny. (Smart Car) : : But really, if you allow towing, does it : hurt anyone that doesn't tow? : : Maybe this will help get some more double : entries that are afraid of overheating? : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : :

Re: Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll) Posted by dragracer on January 5, 2012, 5:10 pm, in reply to "Re: Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll)" Mel..since we are polling, how about a vote on factoring the indexes when racing in Vegas --Previous Message-- : OH Very funny. (Smart Car) : : But really, if you allow towing, does it : hurt anyone that doesn't tow? : : Maybe this will help get some more double : entries that are afraid of overheating? : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : :

got 30 in Posted by glenn mcdowell on January 5, 2012, 9:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll)" know where i can get a 30 in skinny front tire now ? for the datsun --Previous Message-- : : Mel..since we are polling, how about a vote : on factoring the indexes when racing in : Vegas : --Previous Message-- : OH Very funny. (Smart Car) : : But really, if you allow towing, does it : hurt anyone that doesn't tow? : : Maybe this will help get some more double : entries that are afraid of overheating? : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : :

Re: got 30 in Posted by Ronnie on January 8, 2012, 8:52 am, in reply to "got 30 in " Glen, You are not concerned about the .500 tree are you. I am assuming you are talking about a 30 inch tire for the front of your car which you do not need. You can continue to run the .400 tree. So you have no problem right and you didn't run Mean Street all of 2011. I don't understand! --Previous Message-- : : know where i can get a 30 in skinny front : tire now ? for the datsun : : --Previous Message-- : : Mel..since we are polling, how about a vote : on factoring the indexes when racing in : Vegas : --Previous Message-- : OH Very funny. (Smart Car) : : But really, if you allow towing, does it : hurt anyone that doesn't tow? : : Maybe this will help get some more double : entries that are afraid of overheating? : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : :

Re: got 30 in Posted by Doug Crumlich on January 5, 2012, 9:32 pm, in reply to "got 30 in " You don't mean that there is a 10.60 car that would prefer a .400 tree?? --Previous Message-- : : know where i can get a 30 in skinny front : tire now ? for the datsun : : --Previous Message-- : : Mel..since we are polling, how about a vote : on factoring the indexes when racing in : Vegas : --Previous Message-- : OH Very funny. (Smart Car) : : But really, if you allow towing, does it : hurt anyone that doesn't tow? : : Maybe this will help get some more double : entries that are afraid of overheating? : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Unbelievable Doug! Posted by Ronnie on January 5, 2012, 11:01 pm, in reply to "Re: got 30 in " 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ nm --Previous Message-- : You don't mean that there is a 10.60 car that : would prefer a .400 tree?? : : --Previous Message-- : : know where i can get a 30 in skinny front : tire now ? for the datsun : : --Previous Message-- : : Mel..since we are polling, how about a vote : on factoring the indexes when racing in : Vegas : --Previous Message-- : OH Very funny. (Smart Car) : : But really, if you allow towing, does it : hurt anyone that doesn't tow? : : Maybe this will help get some more double : entries that are afraid of overheating? : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : : :

Re: Unbelievable Doug! Posted by Doug Crumlich on January 6, 2012, 6:00 pm, in reply to "Unbelievable Doug! " Just saying that two weeks ago it was impossible to cut a .400 light in a 10.60 car unless you deep staged. I know this car and it can do it. Damn Datsun's --Previous Message-- : nm : : --Previous Message-- : You don't mean that there is a 10.60 car : that : would prefer a .400 tree?? : : --Previous Message-- : : know where i can get a 30 in skinny front : tire now ? for the datsun : : --Previous Message-- : : Mel..since we are polling, how about a vote : on factoring the indexes when racing in : Vegas : --Previous Message-- : OH Very funny. (Smart Car) : : But really, if you allow towing, does it : hurt anyone that doesn't tow? : : Maybe this will help get some more double : entries that are afraid of overheating? : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: Unbelievable Doug! Posted by kerzman7608 on January 6, 2012, 9:19 pm, in reply to "Re: Unbelievable Doug! " Doug , Glenn read that chassis book I was talkin about, Worked on his car and figured out how to make a 10.60 car go .400 on the tree. Good job Glenn. Just sayin. I dont know what to tell ya about slowin the Rt down one without a delay box though. maybe hang a bunch of weight off the nose. 4 link or ladder bar glenn ? Randy

ladder bar car its a bit old Posted by glenn mcdowell on January 7, 2012, 8:42 pm, in reply to "Re: Unbelievable Doug! " --Previous Message-- : Doug , Glenn read that chassis book I was : talkin about, Worked on his car and figured : out how to make a 10.60 car go .400 on the : tree. Good job Glenn. Just sayin. I dont : know what to tell ya about slowin the Rt : down one without a delay box though. maybe : hang a bunch of weight off the nose. 4 link : or ladder bar glenn ? : Randy :

dragracer Posted by PSCA RACER on January 5, 2012, 6:16 pm, in reply to "Re: Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll)" factoring the indexes has been discussed in the past and the mass majority did not want it. --Previous Message-- : : Mel..since we are polling, how about a vote : on factoring the indexes when racing in : Vegas

Re: dragracer Posted by kerzman7608 on January 6, 2012, 9:22 pm, in reply to "dragracer " Thought it was all about gettin the car count up.Guess not --Previous Message-- : factoring the indexes has been discussed in : the past and the mass majority did not want : it. : : --Previous Message-- : : Mel..since we are polling, how about a vote : on factoring the indexes when racing in : Vegas :

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