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MagnaFuel Outlaw 10.5--Doug Sikora
MagnaFuel Xtreeme Drag Radial--Rich Hoyle
AOS Hot Street--Tony Aneian
Mickey Thompson Tires Wild Street--George Raygoza
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OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by Mel / PSCA on December 13, 2011, 6:56 pm I had a long conservation with a longtime PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that would make it fair for all and an opportunity to attract more racers, possible bigger car counts (Then that would lead to bigger payouts) and more opportunity for racers to run 2 classes with a little bit more of a break between them (at least in the early rounds)!! Check this out and let me know if this can/will work.. It would also be the same amount of classes we have but have an opportunity to attract more cars Read them all before responding... Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in Lanes Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in Lanes / 8.00 or slower Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in Lanes What do you think about this new class structure?  I like it  I don't like it

the poll (post) currently has over 800 views Posted by PSCA RACER on December 24, 2011, 12:34 pm, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." the poll (post) currently has over 800 views and less than 200 votes. i would hope we have over 200 potential racers out there, if there are less than 200 potential racers intersted in all of these clases, this is all a waste of time.

Re: the poll (post) currently has over 800 views Posted by Davey on December 24, 2011, 3:32 pm, in reply to "the poll (post) currently has over 800 views" 2nd in Street Muscle Points A waste of time? I don't think so, this is the most conversation this board has had all year. Any time you can get the flock to talk it's a good thing. The 174 or so that have voted pretty much equals the average existing car count so let's assume most of the regulars have checked in. This gets back to the core issue, what kind of changes will attract more cars? There are other things besides what tree is used, I would love to see everyone suggest what might draw more cars rather than defending what we already have. Having only raced for the past two years I'm still a newbie compared to a lot of you guys who have been here a long time, there must be some feelings about what could be better. This should not be about bashing PSCA, Mel or any other PSCA member. However there may be some issues that need to be said that will be a little tough, but it's for the overall good. I'll put two out there. When I got back into racing a little over two years ago I ran a couple of SCEDA and Summit ET races. When I asked some of those racers about PSCA I got a lot of negative comments. The perception from these people was that PSCA was a bunch of tough guy renegade type racers (didn't you know you guys are meanies). Well I decided to try it anyway and nothing could be further from the truth, what a great bunch of guys and gals, I love it. So where does this come from? I'm not sure but maybe the next issue is part of it, pit parking or at least the approach to it. A new racers first experience is pit parking. I'm just putting it out there, this is not always the best first experience for a new racer. I've have tried to bring a few guys into PSCA and pretty much all of them have come to me afterward and asked "what the hell is the deal on pit parking?". I know there are logistics involved, I know there may be a need to have certain cars in certain places but something is going wrong with the approach. It's a critical first step to bringing new people in, brainstorm it, it can be handled better. Okay, that's just what I've honestly experienced, we've got to get it out there so Mel can make it better. Again, not bashing, just trying to think of how we can get more cars in, there are lot of guys that run Summit and not PSCA so why? Not all of them are because of cost... I know this is off the original post topic, sorry 'bout that, I just think there's more to it than what tree is used in Mean. We all want PSCA to be doing very well...Mel might want to buy a new truck or something.....Davey --Previous Message-- : the poll (post) currently has over 800 views : and less than 200 votes. i would hope we : have over 200 potential racers out there, if : there are less than 200 potential racers : intersted in all of these clases, this is : all a waste of time. : :

Its kind of a loaded question Posted by fastbackjan on December 24, 2011, 1:40 pm, in reply to "the poll (post) currently has over 800 views" Thinking about this has driven me nuts for the past few days.I would love to see the .500 tree in Mean, but not all that excited about the combination of 11.60 and 12.60 cars. In the big scheme of things my car might actually do better an a .500 tree and leaving last against 12.60 and 11.60 cars. But then, it basically becomes a regular bracket race to a certain extent. I am torn- It seems like 10.60 stand alone with .400 tree or combined with .500 tree, I might prefer 10.60 alone with .400 even though my combo will not be optimum. It sure seems to me that 10.60 and MM could benefit from the .500 tree, but that might screw up those that run Mean and OC at the same events. It is a tough decision, and it is not mine to make since I will be a returning racer who had not raced PSCA since 2006. I will say this- if 10.60 was to be combined with 9.60 on a .400 tree, count me out!! : :

first vote to reach 100 wins Posted by PSCA RACER on December 24, 2011, 3:21 am, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." currently 100 like and 74 don't like. with 174 votes, most have already voted. maybe the changes shouldn't be exactly as the one example in the poll, but the majority seem to want some sort of change.

Re: first vote to reach 100 wins Posted by Doug Crumlich on December 24, 2011, 10:07 am, in reply to "first vote to reach 100 wins" Wish these 174 people would tell us who they are, then we can ask, where the h$ll have you been --Previous Message-- : currently 100 like and 74 don't like. with 174 : votes, most have already voted. maybe the : changes shouldn't be exactly as the one : example in the poll, but the majority seem : to want some sort of change. : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: first vote to reach 100 wins Posted by cal on December 24, 2011, 7:32 am, in reply to "first vote to reach 100 wins" --Previous Message-- : currently 100 like and 74 don't like. with 174 : votes, most have already voted. maybe the : changes shouldn't be exactly as the one : example in the poll, but the majority seem : to want some sort of change. :

Re: first vote to reach 100 wins Posted by cal on December 24, 2011, 7:43 am, in reply to "Re: first vote to reach 100 wins" I like the .400 tree but wil adapt to what is best over all,we all just need to work together an enjoy what we have. lets just go raceing an get along guys hope all of you have a merry xmas an a happy new year see all you in Feb. --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : currently 100 like and 74 don't like. with : 174 : votes, most have already voted. maybe the : changes shouldn't be exactly as the one : example in the poll, but the majority seem : to want some sort of change. : : :

174 votes ??????? Posted by Tom E on December 24, 2011, 9:21 am, in reply to "Re: first vote to reach 100 wins" Hmmmm Pick one: 1.obviously people have voted several times 2.people who have NO interest in the class voted 3.we have a BUNCH on new racers headed to the index classes!!!! Polls only mean something when only ONE vote person is followed.

Re: 174 votes ??????? Posted by Dak on December 24, 2011, 10:35 am, in reply to "174 votes ???????" PSCA Quick Street I don't think that 174 people have voted, or 174 different people would have posted a message regarding this topic in the last 2 weeks. Besides, the original post from Mel was asking us to "Tell us what you think". I don't think that this was supposed to be a "majority rules" decision. There is actually to many subjects involved here to have just 1 vote in my opinion. We should have voted on each topic and discussed them individually rather that throw them all into a blender and make a train wreck of it. --Previous Message-- : : Hmmmm Pick one: 1.obviously people have : voted several times : 2.people who have NO interest in the class : voted : 3.we have a BUNCH on new racers headed to : the index classes!!!! : : Polls only mean something when only ONE vote : person is followed. :

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by Hanko on December 21, 2011, 4:21 pm, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." Mel: If I want to run against 11:60and 12:60 cars , I can enter o/c and or s/m . I run PSCA because m/s is heads up and a .400 tree. It took me 5 years to get competitive . Don't change please. --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : :

For Everyone's Information. I would love to stay .400 on the tree and 10.60 by itself! Posted by Ronnie on December 23, 2011, 11:00 pm, in reply to "Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ But it's not about what I want. Just wanted to make that clear with everyone!! --Previous Message-- : Mel: If I want to run against 11:60and 12:60 : cars , I can enter o/c and or s/m . I run : PSCA because m/s is heads up and a .400 : tree. It took me 5 years to get competitive : . Don't change please. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : :

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by Doug Crumlich on December 23, 2011, 10:02 am, in reply to "Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." Let me say that Hanko is right on! Before I raced index, I ran Super gas/comp where you leave on an index and then you have cars running from 135mph to 180mph (throttle stops). I loved it until I ran index with PSCA. The ABSOLUTE best thing about index is leaving Side by Side and mostly being within a car length of the other guy. The closest type of racing like this is ProStock where they are so close the whole way down the track. It is my favorite category beside pro mod/street. And no we can't afford that. I also run Open and up until now, it has been two completely different driving experiences. "A real challenge" when you are in the heat of battle. If we change to the new format, then both open and index would be mostly two identical races. What challenge is that. Until a few weeks ago, PSCA was alway .400 tree with multiple people winning the categories. So what is broken. Just a few guys trying to tweek the rules. Hanko has said it perfect "I run PSCA because m/s is heads up and a .400 tree. It took me 5 years to get competitive" So, Work on your car and be competitive. Don't be lazy and change the rules to fit you! Right on Hanko! --Previous Message-- : Mel: If I want to run against 11:60and 12:60 : cars , I can enter o/c and or s/m . I run : PSCA because m/s is heads up and a .400 : tree. It took me 5 years to get competitive : . Don't change please. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by dragracer on December 27, 2011, 7:06 pm, in reply to "Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." How is Kersey going to slow down his new Mean Street car with that big motor he's building --Previous Message-- : Let me say that Hanko is right on! : : Before I raced index, I ran Super gas/comp : where you leave on an index and then you : have cars running from 135mph to 180mph : (throttle stops). I loved it until I ran : index with PSCA. : : The ABSOLUTE best thing about index is : leaving Side by Side and mostly being within : a car length of the other guy. The closest : type of racing like this is ProStock where : they are so close the whole way down the : track. It is my favorite category beside : pro mod/street. And no we can't afford : that. : : I also run Open and up until now, it has : been two completely different driving : experiences. "A real challenge" : when you are in the heat of battle. If we : change to the new format, then both open and : index would be mostly two identical races. : What challenge is that. : : Until a few weeks ago, PSCA was alway .400 : tree with multiple people winning the : categories. So what is broken. Just a few : guys trying to tweek the rules. : : Hanko has said it perfect "I run : PSCA because m/s is heads up and a .400 : tree. It took me 5 years to get : competitive" : : So, Work on your car and be competitive. : Don't be lazy and change the rules to fit : you! : : Right on Hanko! : : --Previous Message-- : Mel: If I want to run against 11:60and 12:60 : cars , I can enter o/c and or s/m . I run : PSCA because m/s is heads up and a .400 : tree. It took me 5 years to get competitive : . Don't change please. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : :

Doug, I CAN'T believe your comments! Posted by Ronnie on December 23, 2011, 1:27 pm, in reply to "Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ Work on my car and be competitive, I didn't know I was an easy win and I'm lazy: Bite your tounge Doug I do more for other people at any given race: (The kids at St. Judes and all the racers) then you do the whole year. You can call me names, but don't call me lazy. Again and again and again and again it's not about me Doug it's what I feel is best for everyone. The .500 tenths tree isn't going to affect you at all so I don't even know why your commenting and the multiple indexes is to help keep the purses decent. Like I said many, many times I can and will adapt, but it's not all about me, it sounds like it's all about you and Hank. I know Hank very well and I know He would prefer the .500 tenths with little effort. --Previous Message-- : Let me say that Hanko is right on! : : Before I raced index, I ran Super gas/comp : where you leave on an index and then you : have cars running from 135mph to 180mph : (throttle stops). I loved it until I ran : index with PSCA. : : The ABSOLUTE best thing about index is : leaving Side by Side and mostly being within : a car length of the other guy. The closest : type of racing like this is ProStock where : they are so close the whole way down the : track. It is my favorite category beside : pro mod/street. And no we can't afford : that. : : I also run Open and up until now, it has : been two completely different driving : experiences. "A real challenge" : when you are in the heat of battle. If we : change to the new format, then both open and : index would be mostly two identical races. : What challenge is that. : : Until a few weeks ago, PSCA was alway .400 : tree with multiple people winning the : categories. So what is broken. Just a few : guys trying to tweek the rules. : : Hanko has said it perfect "I run : PSCA because m/s is heads up and a .400 : tree. It took me 5 years to get : competitive" : : So, Work on your car and be competitive. : Don't be lazy and change the rules to fit : you! : : Right on Hanko! : : --Previous Message-- : Mel: If I want to run against 11:60and 12:60 : cars , I can enter o/c and or s/m . I run : PSCA because m/s is heads up and a .400 : tree. It took me 5 years to get competitive : . Don't change please. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : :

Maybe I was harsh, but Posted by Doug Crumlich on December 23, 2011, 6:16 pm, in reply to "Doug, I CAN'T believe your comments!" OK Ron, "lazy" Technically not meant for you although it was attached to your post. I get chapped when I see racers trying to change the rules to benefit them, when the rules were there when they chose to join in. (sounds like the state and federal goverment?) What I see is you guys are all about trying to keep cost down, so why change the rules to make racers have to slow there reactions down that they have never had to do before. This adds money. The tradition of the classes is .400 tree. If we really want to change the rules to get more cars, then think outside the box and allow Throttle stops and delay boxes. You will double the car count right away. Cost will be kept down because you don't have to buy a Throttle stop and can run as you always have and the new racers already have this stuff. Problem solved, double the car count. OR We can leave it alone, Keep the long standing rules that everyone was racing with and not add cost. It seems we want to change the rules but only in a fashion that fits certain cars and who cares about the folks that will have to add something to the cars to not go red. (the red group will double) My main coment was supporting Hanko, why should he work to change his car because a group lobbied to change the rules? He likes leaving heads up and side by side action that only index provides. It kind of goes with the theme of PSCA, JUST LIKE THE .400 tree does. Lastly, appreciate all you have done inside and outside of the organization. I also think you are good competition that I enjoy racing. If I could run a throttle stop, I would come to 10.60 and race with you there, but no dice on that rule. (I already race 10.90 on occasion) Merry XMAS --Previous Message-- : Work on my car and be competitive, I didn't : know I was an easy win and I'm lazy: Bite : your tounge Doug I do more for other people : at any given race: (The kids at St. Judes : and all the racers) then you do the whole : year. You can call me names, but don't call : me lazy. Again and again and again and : again it's not about me Doug it's what I : feel is best for everyone. The .500 tenths : tree isn't going to affect you at all so I : don't even know why your commenting and the : multiple indexes is to help keep the purses : decent. Like I said many, many times I can : and will adapt, but it's not all about me, : it sounds like it's all about you and Hank. : I know Hank very well and I know He would : prefer the .500 tenths with little effort. : : --Previous Message-- : Let me say that Hanko is right on! : : Before I raced index, I ran Super gas/comp : where you leave on an index and then you : have cars running from 135mph to 180mph : (throttle stops). I loved it until I ran : index with PSCA. : : The ABSOLUTE best thing about index is : leaving Side by Side and mostly being within : a car length of the other guy. The closest : type of racing like this is ProStock where : they are so close the whole way down the : track. It is my favorite category beside : pro mod/street. And no we can't afford : that. : : I also run Open and up until now, it has : been two completely different driving : experiences. "A real challenge" : when you are in the heat of battle. If we : change to the new format, then both open and : index would be mostly two identical races. : What challenge is that. : : Until a few weeks ago, PSCA was alway .400 : tree with multiple people winning the : categories. So what is broken. Just a few : guys trying to tweek the rules. : : Hanko has said it perfect "I run : PSCA because m/s is heads up and a .400 : tree. It took me 5 years to get : competitive" : : So, Work on your car and be competitive. : Don't be lazy and change the rules to fit : you! : : Right on Hanko! : : --Previous Message-- : Mel: If I want to run against 11:60and 12:60 : cars , I can enter o/c and or s/m . I run : PSCA because m/s is heads up and a .400 : tree. It took me 5 years to get competitive : . Don't change please. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by 777J on December 23, 2011, 12:32 pm, in reply to "Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." Wow doug sounds like sour grapes to me. A good racer will find ways to win with or without changes in rules. Its going to be different for EVERYBODy not just a certain few. Sounds like the certain few are pissed because they dont want to change. Or because its going to make alot more racers competitive. Also it hasent happend yet, second if it meant not winning a race for a while while I figure out a new setup or because there are more racers to beat so what. I say bring on the challenge. And by the way index racing is not heads up, its just a bracket race. --Previous Message-- : Let me say that Hanko is right on! : : Before I raced index, I ran Super gas/comp : where you leave on an index and then you : have cars running from 135mph to 180mph : (throttle stops). I loved it until I ran : index with PSCA. : : The ABSOLUTE best thing about index is : leaving Side by Side and mostly being within : a car length of the other guy. The closest : type of racing like this is ProStock where : they are so close the whole way down the : track. It is my favorite category beside : pro mod/street. And no we can't afford : that. : : I also run Open and up until now, it has : been two completely different driving : experiences. "A real challenge" : when you are in the heat of battle. If we : change to the new format, then both open and : index would be mostly two identical races. : What challenge is that. : : Until a few weeks ago, PSCA was alway .400 : tree with multiple people winning the : categories. So what is broken. Just a few : guys trying to tweek the rules. : : Hanko has said it perfect "I run : PSCA because m/s is heads up and a .400 : tree. It took me 5 years to get : competitive" : : So, Work on your car and be competitive. : Don't be lazy and change the rules to fit : you! : : Right on Hanko! : : --Previous Message-- : Mel: If I want to run against 11:60and 12:60 : cars , I can enter o/c and or s/m . I run : PSCA because m/s is heads up and a .400 : tree. It took me 5 years to get competitive : . Don't change please. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : :

Hank, You'll like it! Posted by Ronnie on December 22, 2011, 5:58 pm, in reply to "Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ Hank, If you were the only one racing it could probably be your way but your not. It needs to be the best it can be for all concerned. I know you think you have it figured out, but take my word for it you'll like the .500 tree much better. You were doing well in Vegas but that isn't going to happen in Fontana, guaranteed! I wouldn't steer you wrong and you know it. As far as the triple index goes we have to have bigger classes. The economy has really put a damper on things and we need more cars or I guarantee the purses will drop. Probably the only way you might be able to keep 10.60 by itself is if you sponsored it or got someone else too. Call me and we'll talk! --Previous Message-- : Mel: If I want to run against 11:60and 12:60 : cars , I can enter o/c and or s/m . I run : PSCA because m/s is heads up and a .400 : tree. It took me 5 years to get competitive : . Don't change please. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : :

Re: Hank, You'll like it! Posted by Doug Crumlich on December 23, 2011, 10:09 am, in reply to "Hank, You'll like it!" Ron, This just doesn't make sense, why change the rules of some of the best attended categories, with non electronics, that PSCA runs. If you want to raise car counts and are looking to change the ruls why not allow throttle stops/delay boxes and you would get 40 cars in 9.60. Allow dragsters and you would have another 40 cars in 8.60. Most of these racers already have the equipment, so only about 8 guys would need to buy it. So you are not adding expense for the majority of the racers who would race. Seems easy to me if this is all about car counts. But you would have a fit. So quit messing with the rules, they have worked since index started. Even the Heritage guys run on .400, right? --Previous Message-- : Hank, If you were the only one racing it : could probably be your way but your not. It : needs to be the best it can be for all : concerned. I know you think you have it : figured out, but take my word for it you'll : like the .500 tree much better. You were : doing well in Vegas but that isn't going to : happen in Fontana, guaranteed! I wouldn't : steer you wrong and you know it. As far as : the triple index goes we have to have bigger : classes. The economy has really put a : damper on things and we need more cars or I : guarantee the purses will drop. Probably the : only way you might be able to keep 10.60 by : itself is if you sponsored it or got someone : else too. Call me and we'll talk! : : --Previous Message-- : Mel: If I want to run against 11:60and 12:60 : cars , I can enter o/c and or s/m . I run : PSCA because m/s is heads up and a .400 : tree. It took me 5 years to get competitive : . Don't change please. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Doug yes but Posted by Tom E on December 23, 2011, 8:23 pm, in reply to "Re: Hank, You'll like it!" --Previous Message-- Doug: "Even the heritage guys run on .400, right?" : Yes they do, but I among others with true heritage style cars left the series, since they don't allow deep staging and our 3300lb+ cars just couldn't leave with the 2400lb cars that are FAR from a nostalgia correct car. Just go look at the D/G champion from the past two seasons..... the car weighs about 2500lbs and is structure wise pretty close to a pro-street style car. TE

Re: Hank, You'll like it! Posted by Doug Crumlich on December 23, 2011, 5:54 pm, in reply to "Re: Hank, You'll like it!" Thanks don --Previous Message-- : Ron, : : This just doesn't make sense, why change the : rules of some of the best attended : categories, with non electronics, that PSCA : runs. : : If you want to raise car counts and are : looking to change the ruls why not allow : throttle stops/delay boxes and you would get : 40 cars in 9.60. Allow dragsters and you : would have another 40 cars in 8.60. : : Most of these racers already have the : equipment, so only about 8 guys would need : to buy it. So you are not adding expense : for the majority of the racers who would : race. : : Seems easy to me if this is all about car : counts. But you would have a fit. : : So quit messing with the rules, they have : worked since index started. Even the : Heritage guys run on .400, right? : : --Previous Message-- : Hank, If you were the only one racing it : could probably be your way but your not. It : needs to be the best it can be for all : concerned. I know you think you have it : figured out, but take my word for it you'll : like the .500 tree much better. You were : doing well in Vegas but that isn't going to : happen in Fontana, guaranteed! I wouldn't : steer you wrong and you know it. As far as : the triple index goes we have to have bigger : classes. The economy has really put a : damper on things and we need more cars or I : guarantee the purses will drop. Probably the : only way you might be able to keep 10.60 by : itself is if you sponsored it or got someone : else too. Call me and we'll talk! : : --Previous Message-- : Mel: If I want to run against 11:60and 12:60 : cars , I can enter o/c and or s/m . I run : PSCA because m/s is heads up and a .400 : tree. It took me 5 years to get competitive : . Don't change please. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Leave things as they R Posted by DonMc on December 23, 2011, 2:25 pm, in reply to "Re: Hank, You'll like it!" Iam with U Doug There R way to many changes being talked about.I dont think Mel wants to change very much if any at all.Thats my 2 cents --Previous Message-- : Ron, : : This just doesn't make sense, why change the : rules of some of the best attended : categories, with non electronics, that PSCA : runs. : : If you want to raise car counts and are : looking to change the ruls why not allow : throttle stops/delay boxes and you would get : 40 cars in 9.60. Allow dragsters and you : would have another 40 cars in 8.60. : : Most of these racers already have the : equipment, so only about 8 guys would need : to buy it. So you are not adding expense : for the majority of the racers who would : race. : : Seems easy to me if this is all about car : counts. But you would have a fit. : : So quit messing with the rules, they have : worked since index started. Even the : Heritage guys run on .400, right? : : --Previous Message-- : Hank, If you were the only one racing it : could probably be your way but your not. It : needs to be the best it can be for all : concerned. I know you think you have it : figured out, but take my word for it you'll : like the .500 tree much better. You were : doing well in Vegas but that isn't going to : happen in Fontana, guaranteed! I wouldn't : steer you wrong and you know it. As far as : the triple index goes we have to have bigger : classes. The economy has really put a : damper on things and we need more cars or I : guarantee the purses will drop. Probably the : only way you might be able to keep 10.60 by : itself is if you sponsored it or got someone : else too. Call me and we'll talk! : : --Previous Message-- : Mel: If I want to run against 11:60and 12:60 : cars , I can enter o/c and or s/m . I run : PSCA because m/s is heads up and a .400 : tree. It took me 5 years to get competitive : . Don't change please. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : :

Just a Little Information Posted by BigB on December 23, 2011, 2:47 pm, in reply to "Leave things as they R" Just to let those who dont know and to remind those who do know.......10.60 Index class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas class. It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that asked Mel to put the Index together. The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! Yes some of you want to argue its not but its the only type of Heads Up that isn't driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read this whole post and for the life of me I cant figure out why some want to make it a .500 tree??? Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? If there is nothing wrong with it why change it?? Is there a problem with some of the other Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then maybe they dont need to run. I guess my thought is why fix some thing that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the most highly supported classes in Nostalgic racing and as from what I have seen the same in PSCA. I guess we all have to remember you cant be all to everyone!

Re: Just a Little Information Posted by Hanko on December 23, 2011, 6:20 pm, in reply to "Just a Little Information" Amen!!! My feelings also. If you want to increase car count , eliminate muffler rule at Fontana . That will bring back a few cars and create another new class-11:60/12:60 with a .500 tree. If muffler rule stays in , I probably won't run but one or two races at Fontana as mufflers absolutely kill my motor unless I go to the 11:60 class. PS How have been Brian? --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! :

Hank, Have you heard anything except what you want to hear! Posted by Ronnie on December 23, 2011, 10:43 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a Little Information" 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ Do you really think the muffler rule is going to change, come on Hank! And Who's going to pay the prize money for the extra class/classes. I didn't hear you step in and say you would sponsor one of them! It's not about YOU Hank and it's not about what YOU think is best. YOU need to think of the overall program and what can make the Association better across the board. Hank, you don't even understand the whole staging process. On the .500 tree you can go as shallow as possible, still cut killer lights and probably gain a tenth or so in ET. YOU will NOT go double 0's in Fontana with your car shallow staging, guaranteed. --Previous Message-- : Amen!!! My feelings also. If you want to : increase car count , eliminate muffler rule : at Fontana . That will bring back a few cars : and create another new class-11:60/12:60 : with a .500 tree. If muffler rule stays in , : I probably won't run but one or two races at : Fontana as mufflers absolutely kill my motor : unless I go to the 11:60 class. PS How have : been Brian? : : --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! : : :

Hank, It's a .500 PRO TREE which I know you have never used. Posted by Ronnie on December 24, 2011, 2:20 pm, in reply to "Hank, Have you heard anything except what you want to hear!" 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ And you would be able to go as shallow as possible at Fontana and pick up as much as a tenth in ET. Probably putting you in the ballpark for the 10.60. Do you now understand! Call me and I will explain some other benefits! --Previous Message-- : : Do you really think the muffler rule is : going to change, come on Hank! And Who's : going to pay the prize money for the extra : class/classes. I didn't hear you step in : and say you would sponsor one of them! It's : not about YOU Hank and it's not about what : YOU think is best. YOU need to think of the : overall program and what can make the : Association better across the board. Hank, : you don't even understand the whole staging : process. On the .500 tree you can go as : shallow as possible, still cut killer lights : and probably gain a tenth or so in ET. YOU : will NOT go double 0's in Fontana with your : car shallow staging, guaranteed. : --Previous Message-- : Amen!!! My feelings also. If you want to : increase car count , eliminate muffler rule : at Fontana . That will bring back a few cars : and create another new class-11:60/12:60 : with a .500 tree. If muffler rule stays in , : I probably won't run but one or two races at : Fontana as mufflers absolutely kill my motor : unless I go to the 11:60 class. PS How have : been Brian? : : --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! : : : : :

Re: Hank, Have you heard anything except what you want to hear! Posted by Hanko on December 24, 2011, 10:02 am, in reply to "Hank, Have you heard anything except what you want to hear!" RONNIE: JUST VOICING MY OPINION LIKE EVERY ONE ELSE. FOR YOUR INFORMATION I HAVE RACED .500 TREE BEFORE AND MY LIGHTS ON A .500 TREE ARE BETTER THAN ON A .400 TREE . I JUST PREFER A .400 TREE AND HEADS UP . IF MUFFLER RULE DOESN'T CHANGE , WON'T BE AT TOO MANY FONTANA RACES . CAR AS IS WON'T RUN WITH MUFFLERS AND I AM NOT ABOUT TO SPEND TWO GRAND TO SWITCH EXHAUST SYSTEMS. ALTERNATIVE IS O/C AND S/M WITH A 10;80 DIAL IN. --Previous Message-- : : Do you really think the muffler rule is : going to change, come on Hank! And Who's : going to pay the prize money for the extra : class/classes. I didn't hear you step in : and say you would sponsor one of them! It's : not about YOU Hank and it's not about what : YOU think is best. YOU need to think of the : overall program and what can make the : Association better across the board. Hank, : you don't even understand the whole staging : process. On the .500 tree you can go as : shallow as possible, still cut killer lights : and probably gain a tenth or so in ET. YOU : will NOT go double 0's in Fontana with your : car shallow staging, guaranteed. : --Previous Message-- : Amen!!! My feelings also. If you want to : increase car count , eliminate muffler rule : at Fontana . That will bring back a few cars : and create another new class-11:60/12:60 : with a .500 tree. If muffler rule stays in , : I probably won't run but one or two races at : Fontana as mufflers absolutely kill my motor : unless I go to the 11:60 class. PS How have : been Brian? : : --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! : : : : :

Re: Hank, Have you heard anything except what you want to hear! Posted by Doug Crumlich on December 24, 2011, 10:12 am, in reply to "Re: Hank, Have you heard anything except what you want to hear!" Hamko, You are correct, until the muffler rule changes, we will have lower car counts. For me, the Mufflers will stay on as I don't see a difference with the borla's. Merry xmas. --Previous Message-- : RONNIE: JUST VOICING MY OPINION LIKE EVERY ONE : ELSE. FOR YOUR INFORMATION I HAVE RACED .500 : TREE BEFORE AND MY LIGHTS ON A .500 TREE ARE : BETTER THAN ON A .400 TREE . I JUST PREFER A : .400 TREE AND HEADS UP . IF MUFFLER RULE : DOESN'T CHANGE , WON'T BE AT TOO MANY : FONTANA RACES . CAR AS IS WON'T RUN WITH : MUFFLERS AND I AM NOT ABOUT TO SPEND TWO : GRAND TO SWITCH EXHAUST SYSTEMS. ALTERNATIVE : IS O/C AND S/M WITH A 10;80 DIAL IN. : : --Previous Message-- : : Do you really think the muffler rule is : going to change, come on Hank! And Who's : going to pay the prize money for the extra : class/classes. I didn't hear you step in : and say you would sponsor one of them! It's : not about YOU Hank and it's not about what : YOU think is best. YOU need to think of the : overall program and what can make the : Association better across the board. Hank, : you don't even understand the whole staging : process. On the .500 tree you can go as : shallow as possible, still cut killer lights : and probably gain a tenth or so in ET. YOU : will NOT go double 0's in Fontana with your : car shallow staging, guaranteed. : --Previous Message-- : Amen!!! My feelings also. If you want to : increase car count , eliminate muffler rule : at Fontana . That will bring back a few cars : and create another new class-11:60/12:60 : with a .500 tree. If muffler rule stays in , : I probably won't run but one or two races at : Fontana as mufflers absolutely kill my motor : unless I go to the 11:60 class. PS How have : been Brian? : : --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

You are correct Doug! Kinda! Posted by Ronnie on December 24, 2011, 2:30 pm, in reply to "Re: Hank, Have you heard anything except what you want to hear!" 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ With the muffler rule there will be cars not showing, however with some tweeking of the classes there definitely will be more cars running MUTIPLE classes. Doug, I don't know if I asked you this but why do you care if Mean Street goes to a .500 tree. More than half of the cars in Mean need to go deep and it would eliminate deep staging and I know Hanks racing skills pretty good and he would benefit from the .500 tree more than me, and you can't dispute that, I know. I've taught Hank many things about staging and it's importance in Drag racing, ask Him. He's a friend and I wouldn't steer him wrong. --Previous Message-- : Hamko, : : You are correct, until the muffler rule : changes, we will have lower car counts. For : me, the Mufflers will stay on as I don't see : a difference with the borla's. : : Merry xmas. : : --Previous Message-- : RONNIE: JUST VOICING MY OPINION LIKE EVERY : ONE : ELSE. FOR YOUR INFORMATION I HAVE RACED .500 : TREE BEFORE AND MY LIGHTS ON A .500 TREE ARE : BETTER THAN ON A .400 TREE . I JUST PREFER A : .400 TREE AND HEADS UP . IF MUFFLER RULE : DOESN'T CHANGE , WON'T BE AT TOO MANY : FONTANA RACES . CAR AS IS WON'T RUN WITH : MUFFLERS AND I AM NOT ABOUT TO SPEND TWO : GRAND TO SWITCH EXHAUST SYSTEMS. ALTERNATIVE : IS O/C AND S/M WITH A 10;80 DIAL IN. : : --Previous Message-- : : Do you really think the muffler rule is : going to change, come on Hank! And Who's : going to pay the prize money for the extra : class/classes. I didn't hear you step in : and say you would sponsor one of them! It's : not about YOU Hank and it's not about what : YOU think is best. YOU need to think of the : overall program and what can make the : Association better across the board. Hank, : you don't even understand the whole staging : process. On the .500 tree you can go as : shallow as possible, still cut killer lights : and probably gain a tenth or so in ET. YOU : will NOT go double 0's in Fontana with your : car shallow staging, guaranteed. : --Previous Message-- : Amen!!! My feelings also. If you want to : increase car count , eliminate muffler rule : at Fontana . That will bring back a few cars : and create another new class-11:60/12:60 : with a .500 tree. If muffler rule stays in , : I probably won't run but one or two races at : Fontana as mufflers absolutely kill my motor : unless I go to the 11:60 class. PS How have : been Brian? : : --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! : : : : : : : : :

Re: You are correct Doug! Kinda! Posted by Hanko on December 26, 2011, 10:26 am, in reply to "You are correct Doug! Kinda!" Correct. The competion in mean street forces you to become real good on the the tree or you don't have a chance. Racing against Nordall , Ronnie, Mike Matranga and previously Mark Rapp can get pretty frustrating but they offer encouragement , give good suggestions , and show you where and how to improve. There are others in that class also who on a given day can bust your bubble-Cody,Easterday and Scott. Will have to adjust to whatever Mel comes up with --Previous Message-- : With the muffler rule there will be cars not : showing, however with some tweeking of the : classes there definitely will be more cars : running MUTIPLE classes. Doug, I don't : know if I asked you this but why do you care : if Mean Street goes to a .500 tree. More : than half of the cars in Mean need to go : deep and it would eliminate deep staging and : I know Hanks racing skills pretty good and : he would benefit from the .500 tree more : than me, and you can't dispute that, I know. : I've taught Hank many things about staging : and it's importance in Drag racing, ask Him. : He's a friend and I wouldn't steer him : wrong. : : --Previous Message-- : Hamko, : : You are correct, until the muffler rule : changes, we will have lower car counts. For : me, the Mufflers will stay on as I don't see : a difference with the borla's. : : Merry xmas. : : --Previous Message-- : RONNIE: JUST VOICING MY OPINION LIKE EVERY : ONE : ELSE. FOR YOUR INFORMATION I HAVE RACED .500 : TREE BEFORE AND MY LIGHTS ON A .500 TREE ARE : BETTER THAN ON A .400 TREE . I JUST PREFER A : .400 TREE AND HEADS UP . IF MUFFLER RULE : DOESN'T CHANGE , WON'T BE AT TOO MANY : FONTANA RACES . CAR AS IS WON'T RUN WITH : MUFFLERS AND I AM NOT ABOUT TO SPEND TWO : GRAND TO SWITCH EXHAUST SYSTEMS. ALTERNATIVE : IS O/C AND S/M WITH A 10;80 DIAL IN. : : --Previous Message-- : : Do you really think the muffler rule is : going to change, come on Hank! And Who's : going to pay the prize money for the extra : class/classes. I didn't hear you step in : and say you would sponsor one of them! It's : not about YOU Hank and it's not about what : YOU think is best. YOU need to think of the : overall program and what can make the : Association better across the board. Hank, : you don't even understand the whole staging : process. On the .500 tree you can go as : shallow as possible, still cut killer lights : and probably gain a tenth or so in ET. YOU : will NOT go double 0's in Fontana with your : car shallow staging, guaranteed. : --Previous Message-- : Amen!!! My feelings also. If you want to : increase car count , eliminate muffler rule : at Fontana . That will bring back a few cars : and create another new class-11:60/12:60 : with a .500 tree. If muffler rule stays in , : I probably won't run but one or two races at : Fontana as mufflers absolutely kill my motor : unless I go to the 11:60 class. PS How have : been Brian? : : --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: You are correct Doug! Kinda! Posted by Doug Crumlich on December 24, 2011, 4:33 pm, in reply to "You are correct Doug! Kinda!" Ron, Good question and there have been some good observations today. In reality, the .500 tree in Mean does not affect me at all, until we build our new car for Rick. But, if we are talking just 10.60 cars, isn't the .400 the same for all racers in that category equally? They have about the same power and weight? So no advantage and why change it? What I do care about is messing with the index rules. I found that I love index racing because, as Hanko put it, you are side by side. I see the beef is Open Comp where you Choose to run against faster cars. I really wasn't an issue until the fast cars got involved the last two years. A change in some of the index rules will eventually lead to a change in Open Rules. It appears there is a fix BUT there is not enough money or time to add a class, so the combining of classes is spoken about. 9.60 doesn't want to run against 7.60/8.60 10.60 doesn't want to run against 9.60 11.60 doesn't want to run against 10.60 So as you can see, the slower cars don't want to run against faster cars. This is the beauty of our current open structure, You Don't have to. In a perfect world you could. Run .500 tree in 10.60 Run .400 tree in 9.60 Run .400 tree in 8.60/7.60 Run .500 in an open category Run .400 in an open category Problem is, this adds a purse and another class to the run schedule. Not what Mel needs right now. So we have two choices as I see it. 1. Change the tree in some classes and make then two index classes and split open into two classes 2. Change Mean and Musang to .500 and leave Open Comp at .400 tree. 2. Leave the system alone and wait until the sound issues are fixed and then the cars will return. So not calling anyone out. Calm post that seems to sum up what I have read the last three days. Mel will do what he needs to do and we will figure it out. I am prepared to support him either way as should we all. Mel, appreciate you keeping the show going in 2011 even though your fast cars could not compete at Fontana. Crummy --Previous Message-- : With the muffler rule there will be cars not : showing, however with some tweeking of the : classes there definitely will be more cars : running MUTIPLE classes. Doug, I don't : know if I asked you this but why do you care : if Mean Street goes to a .500 tree. More : than half of the cars in Mean need to go : deep and it would eliminate deep staging and : I know Hanks racing skills pretty good and : he would benefit from the .500 tree more : than me, and you can't dispute that, I know. : I've taught Hank many things about staging : and it's importance in Drag racing, ask Him. : He's a friend and I wouldn't steer him : wrong. : : --Previous Message-- : Hamko, : : You are correct, until the muffler rule : changes, we will have lower car counts. For : me, the Mufflers will stay on as I don't see : a difference with the borla's. : : Merry xmas. : : --Previous Message-- : RONNIE: JUST VOICING MY OPINION LIKE EVERY : ONE : ELSE. FOR YOUR INFORMATION I HAVE RACED .500 : TREE BEFORE AND MY LIGHTS ON A .500 TREE ARE : BETTER THAN ON A .400 TREE . I JUST PREFER A : .400 TREE AND HEADS UP . IF MUFFLER RULE : DOESN'T CHANGE , WON'T BE AT TOO MANY : FONTANA RACES . CAR AS IS WON'T RUN WITH : MUFFLERS AND I AM NOT ABOUT TO SPEND TWO : GRAND TO SWITCH EXHAUST SYSTEMS. ALTERNATIVE : IS O/C AND S/M WITH A 10;80 DIAL IN. : : --Previous Message-- : : Do you really think the muffler rule is : going to change, come on Hank! And Who's : going to pay the prize money for the extra : class/classes. I didn't hear you step in : and say you would sponsor one of them! It's : not about YOU Hank and it's not about what : YOU think is best. YOU need to think of the : overall program and what can make the : Association better across the board. Hank, : you don't even understand the whole staging : process. On the .500 tree you can go as : shallow as possible, still cut killer lights : and probably gain a tenth or so in ET. YOU : will NOT go double 0's in Fontana with your : car shallow staging, guaranteed. : --Previous Message-- : Amen!!! My feelings also. If you want to : increase car count , eliminate muffler rule : at Fontana . That will bring back a few cars : and create another new class-11:60/12:60 : with a .500 tree. If muffler rule stays in , : I probably won't run but one or two races at : Fontana as mufflers absolutely kill my motor : unless I go to the 11:60 class. PS How have : been Brian? : : --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! : : : : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: You are correct Doug! Kinda! Posted by 777J on December 26, 2011, 12:10 pm, in reply to "Re: You are correct Doug! Kinda!" Hey Crummy. Is it possible to have a split tree 500/400? Still have not had a definate answer. That would be the best fix... --Previous Message-- : Ron, : : Good question and there have been some good : observations today. : : In reality, the .500 tree in Mean does not : affect me at all, until we build our new car : for Rick. But, if we are talking just 10.60 : cars, isn't the .400 the same for all racers : in that category equally? They have about : the same power and weight? So no advantage : and why change it? : : What I do care about is messing with the : index rules. I found that I love index : racing because, as Hanko put it, you are : side by side. : : I see the beef is Open Comp where you Choose : to run against faster cars. I really wasn't : an issue until the fast cars got involved : the last two years. A change in some of the : index rules will eventually lead to a change : in Open Rules. : : It appears there is a fix BUT there is not : enough money or time to add a class, so the : combining of classes is spoken about. : : 9.60 doesn't want to run against 7.60/8.60 : 10.60 doesn't want to run against 9.60 : 11.60 doesn't want to run against 10.60 : : So as you can see, the slower cars don't : want to run against faster cars. This is : the beauty of our current open structure, : You Don't have to. : : In a perfect world you could. : Run .500 tree in 10.60 : Run .400 tree in 9.60 : Run .400 tree in 8.60/7.60 : : Run .500 in an open category : Run .400 in an open category : : Problem is, this adds a purse and another : class to the run schedule. Not what Mel : needs right now. : : So we have two choices as I see it. : 1. Change the tree in some classes and make : then two index classes and split open into : two classes : 2. Change Mean and Musang to .500 and leave : Open Comp at .400 tree. : 2. Leave the system alone and wait until the : sound issues are fixed and then the cars : will return. : : So not calling anyone out. Calm post that : seems to sum up what I have read the last : three days. Mel will do what he needs to do : and we will figure it out. I am prepared to : support him either way as should we all. : : Mel, appreciate you keeping the show going : in 2011 even though your fast cars could not : compete at Fontana. : : Crummy : : : --Previous Message-- : With the muffler rule there will be cars not : showing, however with some tweeking of the : classes there definitely will be more cars : running MUTIPLE classes. Doug, I don't : know if I asked you this but why do you care : if Mean Street goes to a .500 tree. More : than half of the cars in Mean need to go : deep and it would eliminate deep staging and : I know Hanks racing skills pretty good and : he would benefit from the .500 tree more : than me, and you can't dispute that, I know. : I've taught Hank many things about staging : and it's importance in Drag racing, ask Him. : He's a friend and I wouldn't steer him : wrong. : : --Previous Message-- : Hamko, : : You are correct, until the muffler rule : changes, we will have lower car counts. For : me, the Mufflers will stay on as I don't see : a difference with the borla's. : : Merry xmas. : : --Previous Message-- : RONNIE: JUST VOICING MY OPINION LIKE EVERY : ONE : ELSE. FOR YOUR INFORMATION I HAVE RACED .500 : TREE BEFORE AND MY LIGHTS ON A .500 TREE ARE : BETTER THAN ON A .400 TREE . I JUST PREFER A : .400 TREE AND HEADS UP . IF MUFFLER RULE : DOESN'T CHANGE , WON'T BE AT TOO MANY : FONTANA RACES . CAR AS IS WON'T RUN WITH : MUFFLERS AND I AM NOT ABOUT TO SPEND TWO : GRAND TO SWITCH EXHAUST SYSTEMS. ALTERNATIVE : IS O/C AND S/M WITH A 10;80 DIAL IN. : : --Previous Message-- : : Do you really think the muffler rule is : going to change, come on Hank! And Who's : going to pay the prize money for the extra : class/classes. I didn't hear you step in : and say you would sponsor one of them! It's : not about YOU Hank and it's not about what : YOU think is best. YOU need to think of the : overall program and what can make the : Association better across the board. Hank, : you don't even understand the whole staging : process. On the .500 tree you can go as : shallow as possible, still cut killer lights : and probably gain a tenth or so in ET. YOU : will NOT go double 0's in Fontana with your : car shallow staging, guaranteed. : --Previous Message-- : Amen!!! My feelings also. If you want to : increase car count , eliminate muffler rule : at Fontana . That will bring back a few cars : and create another new class-11:60/12:60 : with a .500 tree. If muffler rule stays in , : I probably won't run but one or two races at : Fontana as mufflers absolutely kill my motor : unless I go to the 11:60 class. PS How have : been Brian? : : --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: You are correct Doug! Kinda! Posted by Doug Crumlich on December 26, 2011, 3:10 pm, in reply to "Re: You are correct Doug! Kinda!" What would be interesting is the whole new group of racers that would now be able to go red, thus giving the face away tothe faster car. This is a aspect that today they do not worry about. -Previous Message-- : Hey Crummy. : : Is it possible to have a split tree : 500/400? Still have not had a definate : answer. That would be the best fix... : : --Previous Message-- : Ron, : : Good question and there have been some good : observations today. : : In reality, the .500 tree in Mean does not : affect me at all, until we build our new car : for Rick. But, if we are talking just 10.60 : cars, isn't the .400 the same for all racers : in that category equally? They have about : the same power and weight? So no advantage : and why change it? : : What I do care about is messing with the : index rules. I found that I love index : racing because, as Hanko put it, you are : side by side. : : I see the beef is Open Comp where you Choose : to run against faster cars. I really wasn't : an issue until the fast cars got involved : the last two years. A change in some of the : index rules will eventually lead to a change : in Open Rules. : : It appears there is a fix BUT there is not : enough money or time to add a class, so the : combining of classes is spoken about. : : 9.60 doesn't want to run against 7.60/8.60 : 10.60 doesn't want to run against 9.60 : 11.60 doesn't want to run against 10.60 : : So as you can see, the slower cars don't : want to run against faster cars. This is : the beauty of our current open structure, : You Don't have to. : : In a perfect world you could. : Run .500 tree in 10.60 : Run .400 tree in 9.60 : Run .400 tree in 8.60/7.60 : : Run .500 in an open category : Run .400 in an open category : : Problem is, this adds a purse and another : class to the run schedule. Not what Mel : needs right now. : : So we have two choices as I see it. : 1. Change the tree in some classes and make : then two index classes and split open into : two classes : 2. Change Mean and Musang to .500 and leave : Open Comp at .400 tree. : 2. Leave the system alone and wait until the : sound issues are fixed and then the cars : will return. : : So not calling anyone out. Calm post that : seems to sum up what I have read the last : three days. Mel will do what he needs to do : and we will figure it out. I am prepared to : support him either way as should we all. : : Mel, appreciate you keeping the show going : in 2011 even though your fast cars could not : compete at Fontana. : : Crummy : : : --Previous Message-- : With the muffler rule there will be cars not : showing, however with some tweeking of the : classes there definitely will be more cars : running MUTIPLE classes. Doug, I don't : know if I asked you this but why do you care : if Mean Street goes to a .500 tree. More : than half of the cars in Mean need to go : deep and it would eliminate deep staging and : I know Hanks racing skills pretty good and : he would benefit from the .500 tree more : than me, and you can't dispute that, I know. : I've taught Hank many things about staging : and it's importance in Drag racing, ask Him. : He's a friend and I wouldn't steer him : wrong. : : --Previous Message-- : Hamko, : : You are correct, until the muffler rule : changes, we will have lower car counts. For : me, the Mufflers will stay on as I don't see : a difference with the borla's. : : Merry xmas. : : --Previous Message-- : RONNIE: JUST VOICING MY OPINION LIKE EVERY : ONE : ELSE. FOR YOUR INFORMATION I HAVE RACED .500 : TREE BEFORE AND MY LIGHTS ON A .500 TREE ARE : BETTER THAN ON A .400 TREE . I JUST PREFER A : .400 TREE AND HEADS UP . IF MUFFLER RULE : DOESN'T CHANGE , WON'T BE AT TOO MANY : FONTANA RACES . CAR AS IS WON'T RUN WITH : MUFFLERS AND I AM NOT ABOUT TO SPEND TWO : GRAND TO SWITCH EXHAUST SYSTEMS. ALTERNATIVE : IS O/C AND S/M WITH A 10;80 DIAL IN. : : --Previous Message-- : : Do you really think the muffler rule is : going to change, come on Hank! And Who's : going to pay the prize money for the extra : class/classes. I didn't hear you step in : and say you would sponsor one of them! It's : not about YOU Hank and it's not about what : YOU think is best. YOU need to think of the : overall program and what can make the : Association better across the board. Hank, : you don't even understand the whole staging : process. On the .500 tree you can go as : shallow as possible, still cut killer lights : and probably gain a tenth or so in ET. YOU : will NOT go double 0's in Fontana with your : car shallow staging, guaranteed. : --Previous Message-- : Amen!!! My feelings also. If you want to : increase car count , eliminate muffler rule : at Fontana . That will bring back a few cars : and create another new class-11:60/12:60 : with a .500 tree. If muffler rule stays in , : I probably won't run but one or two races at : Fontana as mufflers absolutely kill my motor : unless I go to the 11:60 class. PS How have : been Brian? : : --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: You are correct Doug! Kinda! Posted by 777J on December 27, 2011, 8:04 am, in reply to "Re: You are correct Doug! Kinda!" more likely to go red throwing your car in deep in one move than staging normally in shallow. so i would disagree there. Shoot I have been red more with the 400 tree than a sportsman. --Previous Message-- : What would be interesting is the whole new : group of racers that would now be able to go : red, thus giving the face away tothe faster : car. : : This is a aspect that today they do not : worry about. : : -Previous Message-- : Hey Crummy. : : Is it possible to have a split tree : 500/400? Still have not had a definate : answer. That would be the best fix... : : --Previous Message-- : Ron, : : Good question and there have been some good : observations today. : : In reality, the .500 tree in Mean does not : affect me at all, until we build our new car : for Rick. But, if we are talking just 10.60 : cars, isn't the .400 the same for all racers : in that category equally? They have about : the same power and weight? So no advantage : and why change it? : : What I do care about is messing with the : index rules. I found that I love index : racing because, as Hanko put it, you are : side by side. : : I see the beef is Open Comp where you Choose : to run against faster cars. I really wasn't : an issue until the fast cars got involved : the last two years. A change in some of the : index rules will eventually lead to a change : in Open Rules. : : It appears there is a fix BUT there is not : enough money or time to add a class, so the : combining of classes is spoken about. : : 9.60 doesn't want to run against 7.60/8.60 : 10.60 doesn't want to run against 9.60 : 11.60 doesn't want to run against 10.60 : : So as you can see, the slower cars don't : want to run against faster cars. This is : the beauty of our current open structure, : You Don't have to. : : In a perfect world you could. : Run .500 tree in 10.60 : Run .400 tree in 9.60 : Run .400 tree in 8.60/7.60 : : Run .500 in an open category : Run .400 in an open category : : Problem is, this adds a purse and another : class to the run schedule. Not what Mel : needs right now. : : So we have two choices as I see it. : 1. Change the tree in some classes and make : then two index classes and split open into : two classes : 2. Change Mean and Musang to .500 and leave : Open Comp at .400 tree. : 2. Leave the system alone and wait until the : sound issues are fixed and then the cars : will return. : : So not calling anyone out. Calm post that : seems to sum up what I have read the last : three days. Mel will do what he needs to do : and we will figure it out. I am prepared to : support him either way as should we all. : : Mel, appreciate you keeping the show going : in 2011 even though your fast cars could not : compete at Fontana. : : Crummy : : : --Previous Message-- : With the muffler rule there will be cars not : showing, however with some tweeking of the : classes there definitely will be more cars : running MUTIPLE classes. Doug, I don't : know if I asked you this but why do you care : if Mean Street goes to a .500 tree. More : than half of the cars in Mean need to go : deep and it would eliminate deep staging and : I know Hanks racing skills pretty good and : he would benefit from the .500 tree more : than me, and you can't dispute that, I know. : I've taught Hank many things about staging : and it's importance in Drag racing, ask Him. : He's a friend and I wouldn't steer him : wrong. : : --Previous Message-- : Hamko, : : You are correct, until the muffler rule : changes, we will have lower car counts. For : me, the Mufflers will stay on as I don't see : a difference with the borla's. : : Merry xmas. : : --Previous Message-- : RONNIE: JUST VOICING MY OPINION LIKE EVERY : ONE : ELSE. FOR YOUR INFORMATION I HAVE RACED .500 : TREE BEFORE AND MY LIGHTS ON A .500 TREE ARE : BETTER THAN ON A .400 TREE . I JUST PREFER A : .400 TREE AND HEADS UP . IF MUFFLER RULE : DOESN'T CHANGE , WON'T BE AT TOO MANY : FONTANA RACES . CAR AS IS WON'T RUN WITH : MUFFLERS AND I AM NOT ABOUT TO SPEND TWO : GRAND TO SWITCH EXHAUST SYSTEMS. ALTERNATIVE : IS O/C AND S/M WITH A 10;80 DIAL IN. : : --Previous Message-- : : Do you really think the muffler rule is : going to change, come on Hank! And Who's : going to pay the prize money for the extra : class/classes. I didn't hear you step in : and say you would sponsor one of them! It's : not about YOU Hank and it's not about what : YOU think is best. YOU need to think of the : overall program and what can make the : Association better across the board. Hank, : you don't even understand the whole staging : process. On the .500 tree you can go as : shallow as possible, still cut killer lights : and probably gain a tenth or so in ET. YOU : will NOT go double 0's in Fontana with your : car shallow staging, guaranteed. : --Previous Message-- : Amen!!! My feelings also. If you want to : increase car count , eliminate muffler rule : at Fontana . That will bring back a few cars : and create another new class-11:60/12:60 : with a .500 tree. If muffler rule stays in , : I probably won't run but one or two races at : Fontana as mufflers absolutely kill my motor : unless I go to the 11:60 class. PS How have : been Brian? : : --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: You are correct Doug! Kinda! Posted by Doug Crumlich on December 27, 2011, 12:19 pm, in reply to "Re: You are correct Doug! Kinda!" I would think that the .020 difference between Fontana and Vegas might be a challenge. Also, the good starting line that we have first round on Sunday. I know, I have been on the RED side. But that's what happens when you can go .000 on the tree. Like I said, I don't mind the bumping, but you better be in when autostart sets off. Also, if we can split the tree, then all DEEP staging should be eliminating or why are we doing this? --Previous Message-- : more likely to go red throwing your car in : deep in one move than staging normally in : shallow. so i would disagree there. Shoot I : have been red more with the 400 tree than a : sportsman. : : --Previous Message-- : What would be interesting is the whole new : group of racers that would now be able to go : red, thus giving the face away tothe faster : car. : : This is a aspect that today they do not : worry about. : : -Previous Message-- : Hey Crummy. : : Is it possible to have a split tree : 500/400? Still have not had a definate : answer. That would be the best fix... : : --Previous Message-- : Ron, : : Good question and there have been some good : observations today. : : In reality, the .500 tree in Mean does not : affect me at all, until we build our new car : for Rick. But, if we are talking just 10.60 : cars, isn't the .400 the same for all racers : in that category equally? They have about : the same power and weight? So no advantage : and why change it? : : What I do care about is messing with the : index rules. I found that I love index : racing because, as Hanko put it, you are : side by side. : : I see the beef is Open Comp where you Choose : to run against faster cars. I really wasn't : an issue until the fast cars got involved : the last two years. A change in some of the : index rules will eventually lead to a change : in Open Rules. : : It appears there is a fix BUT there is not : enough money or time to add a class, so the : combining of classes is spoken about. : : 9.60 doesn't want to run against 7.60/8.60 : 10.60 doesn't want to run against 9.60 : 11.60 doesn't want to run against 10.60 : : So as you can see, the slower cars don't : want to run against faster cars. This is : the beauty of our current open structure, : You Don't have to. : : In a perfect world you could. : Run .500 tree in 10.60 : Run .400 tree in 9.60 : Run .400 tree in 8.60/7.60 : : Run .500 in an open category : Run .400 in an open category : : Problem is, this adds a purse and another : class to the run schedule. Not what Mel : needs right now. : : So we have two choices as I see it. : 1. Change the tree in some classes and make : then two index classes and split open into : two classes : 2. Change Mean and Musang to .500 and leave : Open Comp at .400 tree. : 2. Leave the system alone and wait until the : sound issues are fixed and then the cars : will return. : : So not calling anyone out. Calm post that : seems to sum up what I have read the last : three days. Mel will do what he needs to do : and we will figure it out. I am prepared to : support him either way as should we all. : : Mel, appreciate you keeping the show going : in 2011 even though your fast cars could not : compete at Fontana. : : Crummy : : : --Previous Message-- : With the muffler rule there will be cars not : showing, however with some tweeking of the : classes there definitely will be more cars : running MUTIPLE classes. Doug, I don't : know if I asked you this but why do you care : if Mean Street goes to a .500 tree. More : than half of the cars in Mean need to go : deep and it would eliminate deep staging and : I know Hanks racing skills pretty good and : he would benefit from the .500 tree more : than me, and you can't dispute that, I know. : I've taught Hank many things about staging : and it's importance in Drag racing, ask Him. : He's a friend and I wouldn't steer him : wrong. : : --Previous Message-- : Hamko, : : You are correct, until the muffler rule : changes, we will have lower car counts. For : me, the Mufflers will stay on as I don't see : a difference with the borla's. : : Merry xmas. : : --Previous Message-- : RONNIE: JUST VOICING MY OPINION LIKE EVERY : ONE : ELSE. FOR YOUR INFORMATION I HAVE RACED .500 : TREE BEFORE AND MY LIGHTS ON A .500 TREE ARE : BETTER THAN ON A .400 TREE . I JUST PREFER A : .400 TREE AND HEADS UP . IF MUFFLER RULE : DOESN'T CHANGE , WON'T BE AT TOO MANY : FONTANA RACES . CAR AS IS WON'T RUN WITH : MUFFLERS AND I AM NOT ABOUT TO SPEND TWO : GRAND TO SWITCH EXHAUST SYSTEMS. ALTERNATIVE : IS O/C AND S/M WITH A 10;80 DIAL IN. : : --Previous Message-- : : Do you really think the muffler rule is : going to change, come on Hank! And Who's : going to pay the prize money for the extra : class/classes. I didn't hear you step in : and say you would sponsor one of them! It's : not about YOU Hank and it's not about what : YOU think is best. YOU need to think of the : overall program and what can make the : Association better across the board. Hank, : you don't even understand the whole staging : process. On the .500 tree you can go as : shallow as possible, still cut killer lights : and probably gain a tenth or so in ET. YOU : will NOT go double 0's in Fontana with your : car shallow staging, guaranteed. : --Previous Message-- : Amen!!! My feelings also. If you want to : increase car count , eliminate muffler rule : at Fontana . That will bring back a few cars : and create another new class-11:60/12:60 : with a .500 tree. If muffler rule stays in , : I probably won't run but one or two races at : Fontana as mufflers absolutely kill my motor : unless I go to the 11:60 class. PS How have : been Brian? : : --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: You are correct Doug! Kinda! Posted by Doug Crumlich on December 27, 2011, 12:15 pm, in reply to "Re: You are correct Doug! Kinda!" That's cause you are excited about me coming up from behind. --Previous Message-- : more likely to go red throwing your car in : deep in one move than staging normally in : shallow. so i would disagree there. Shoot I : have been red more with the 400 tree than a : sportsman. : : --Previous Message-- : What would be interesting is the whole new : group of racers that would now be able to go : red, thus giving the face away tothe faster : car. : : This is a aspect that today they do not : worry about. : : -Previous Message-- : Hey Crummy. : : Is it possible to have a split tree : 500/400? Still have not had a definate : answer. That would be the best fix... : : --Previous Message-- : Ron, : : Good question and there have been some good : observations today. : : In reality, the .500 tree in Mean does not : affect me at all, until we build our new car : for Rick. But, if we are talking just 10.60 : cars, isn't the .400 the same for all racers : in that category equally? They have about : the same power and weight? So no advantage : and why change it? : : What I do care about is messing with the : index rules. I found that I love index : racing because, as Hanko put it, you are : side by side. : : I see the beef is Open Comp where you Choose : to run against faster cars. I really wasn't : an issue until the fast cars got involved : the last two years. A change in some of the : index rules will eventually lead to a change : in Open Rules. : : It appears there is a fix BUT there is not : enough money or time to add a class, so the : combining of classes is spoken about. : : 9.60 doesn't want to run against 7.60/8.60 : 10.60 doesn't want to run against 9.60 : 11.60 doesn't want to run against 10.60 : : So as you can see, the slower cars don't : want to run against faster cars. This is : the beauty of our current open structure, : You Don't have to. : : In a perfect world you could. : Run .500 tree in 10.60 : Run .400 tree in 9.60 : Run .400 tree in 8.60/7.60 : : Run .500 in an open category : Run .400 in an open category : : Problem is, this adds a purse and another : class to the run schedule. Not what Mel : needs right now. : : So we have two choices as I see it. : 1. Change the tree in some classes and make : then two index classes and split open into : two classes : 2. Change Mean and Musang to .500 and leave : Open Comp at .400 tree. : 2. Leave the system alone and wait until the : sound issues are fixed and then the cars : will return. : : So not calling anyone out. Calm post that : seems to sum up what I have read the last : three days. Mel will do what he needs to do : and we will figure it out. I am prepared to : support him either way as should we all. : : Mel, appreciate you keeping the show going : in 2011 even though your fast cars could not : compete at Fontana. : : Crummy : : : --Previous Message-- : With the muffler rule there will be cars not : showing, however with some tweeking of the : classes there definitely will be more cars : running MUTIPLE classes. Doug, I don't : know if I asked you this but why do you care : if Mean Street goes to a .500 tree. More : than half of the cars in Mean need to go : deep and it would eliminate deep staging and : I know Hanks racing skills pretty good and : he would benefit from the .500 tree more : than me, and you can't dispute that, I know. : I've taught Hank many things about staging : and it's importance in Drag racing, ask Him. : He's a friend and I wouldn't steer him : wrong. : : --Previous Message-- : Hamko, : : You are correct, until the muffler rule : changes, we will have lower car counts. For : me, the Mufflers will stay on as I don't see : a difference with the borla's. : : Merry xmas. : : --Previous Message-- : RONNIE: JUST VOICING MY OPINION LIKE EVERY : ONE : ELSE. FOR YOUR INFORMATION I HAVE RACED .500 : TREE BEFORE AND MY LIGHTS ON A .500 TREE ARE : BETTER THAN ON A .400 TREE . I JUST PREFER A : .400 TREE AND HEADS UP . IF MUFFLER RULE : DOESN'T CHANGE , WON'T BE AT TOO MANY : FONTANA RACES . CAR AS IS WON'T RUN WITH : MUFFLERS AND I AM NOT ABOUT TO SPEND TWO : GRAND TO SWITCH EXHAUST SYSTEMS. ALTERNATIVE : IS O/C AND S/M WITH A 10;80 DIAL IN. : : --Previous Message-- : : Do you really think the muffler rule is : going to change, come on Hank! And Who's : going to pay the prize money for the extra : class/classes. I didn't hear you step in : and say you would sponsor one of them! It's : not about YOU Hank and it's not about what : YOU think is best. YOU need to think of the : overall program and what can make the : Association better across the board. Hank, : you don't even understand the whole staging : process. On the .500 tree you can go as : shallow as possible, still cut killer lights : and probably gain a tenth or so in ET. YOU : will NOT go double 0's in Fontana with your : car shallow staging, guaranteed. : --Previous Message-- : Amen!!! My feelings also. If you want to : increase car count , eliminate muffler rule : at Fontana . That will bring back a few cars : and create another new class-11:60/12:60 : with a .500 tree. If muffler rule stays in , : I probably won't run but one or two races at : Fontana as mufflers absolutely kill my motor : unless I go to the 11:60 class. PS How have : been Brian? : : --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: You are correct Doug! Kinda! Posted by 777J on December 27, 2011, 1:15 pm, in reply to "Re: You are correct Doug! Kinda!" You know it! --Previous Message-- : That's cause you are excited about me coming : up from behind. : : --Previous Message-- : more likely to go red throwing your car in : deep in one move than staging normally in : shallow. so i would disagree there. Shoot I : have been red more with the 400 tree than a : sportsman. : : --Previous Message-- : What would be interesting is the whole new : group of racers that would now be able to go : red, thus giving the face away tothe faster : car. : : This is a aspect that today they do not : worry about. : : -Previous Message-- : Hey Crummy. : : Is it possible to have a split tree : 500/400? Still have not had a definate : answer. That would be the best fix... : : --Previous Message-- : Ron, : : Good question and there have been some good : observations today. : : In reality, the .500 tree in Mean does not : affect me at all, until we build our new car : for Rick. But, if we are talking just 10.60 : cars, isn't the .400 the same for all racers : in that category equally? They have about : the same power and weight? So no advantage : and why change it? : : What I do care about is messing with the : index rules. I found that I love index : racing because, as Hanko put it, you are : side by side. : : I see the beef is Open Comp where you Choose : to run against faster cars. I really wasn't : an issue until the fast cars got involved : the last two years. A change in some of the : index rules will eventually lead to a change : in Open Rules. : : It appears there is a fix BUT there is not : enough money or time to add a class, so the : combining of classes is spoken about. : : 9.60 doesn't want to run against 7.60/8.60 : 10.60 doesn't want to run against 9.60 : 11.60 doesn't want to run against 10.60 : : So as you can see, the slower cars don't : want to run against faster cars. This is : the beauty of our current open structure, : You Don't have to. : : In a perfect world you could. : Run .500 tree in 10.60 : Run .400 tree in 9.60 : Run .400 tree in 8.60/7.60 : : Run .500 in an open category : Run .400 in an open category : : Problem is, this adds a purse and another : class to the run schedule. Not what Mel : needs right now. : : So we have two choices as I see it. : 1. Change the tree in some classes and make : then two index classes and split open into : two classes : 2. Change Mean and Musang to .500 and leave : Open Comp at .400 tree. : 2. Leave the system alone and wait until the : sound issues are fixed and then the cars : will return. : : So not calling anyone out. Calm post that : seems to sum up what I have read the last : three days. Mel will do what he needs to do : and we will figure it out. I am prepared to : support him either way as should we all. : : Mel, appreciate you keeping the show going : in 2011 even though your fast cars could not : compete at Fontana. : : Crummy : : : --Previous Message-- : With the muffler rule there will be cars not : showing, however with some tweeking of the : classes there definitely will be more cars : running MUTIPLE classes. Doug, I don't : know if I asked you this but why do you care : if Mean Street goes to a .500 tree. More : than half of the cars in Mean need to go : deep and it would eliminate deep staging and : I know Hanks racing skills pretty good and : he would benefit from the .500 tree more : than me, and you can't dispute that, I know. : I've taught Hank many things about staging : and it's importance in Drag racing, ask Him. : He's a friend and I wouldn't steer him : wrong. : : --Previous Message-- : Hamko, : : You are correct, until the muffler rule : changes, we will have lower car counts. For : me, the Mufflers will stay on as I don't see : a difference with the borla's. : : Merry xmas. : : --Previous Message-- : RONNIE: JUST VOICING MY OPINION LIKE EVERY : ONE : ELSE. FOR YOUR INFORMATION I HAVE RACED .500 : TREE BEFORE AND MY LIGHTS ON A .500 TREE ARE : BETTER THAN ON A .400 TREE . I JUST PREFER A : .400 TREE AND HEADS UP . IF MUFFLER RULE : DOESN'T CHANGE , WON'T BE AT TOO MANY : FONTANA RACES . CAR AS IS WON'T RUN WITH : MUFFLERS AND I AM NOT ABOUT TO SPEND TWO : GRAND TO SWITCH EXHAUST SYSTEMS. ALTERNATIVE : IS O/C AND S/M WITH A 10;80 DIAL IN. : : --Previous Message-- : : Do you really think the muffler rule is : going to change, come on Hank! And Who's : going to pay the prize money for the extra : class/classes. I didn't hear you step in : and say you would sponsor one of them! It's : not about YOU Hank and it's not about what : YOU think is best. YOU need to think of the : overall program and what can make the : Association better across the board. Hank, : you don't even understand the whole staging : process. On the .500 tree you can go as : shallow as possible, still cut killer lights : and probably gain a tenth or so in ET. YOU : will NOT go double 0's in Fontana with your : car shallow staging, guaranteed. : --Previous Message-- : Amen!!! My feelings also. If you want to : increase car count , eliminate muffler rule : at Fontana . That will bring back a few cars : and create another new class-11:60/12:60 : with a .500 tree. If muffler rule stays in , : I probably won't run but one or two races at : Fontana as mufflers absolutely kill my motor : unless I go to the 11:60 class. PS How have : been Brian? : : --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Mel is checking into that! Posted by Ronnie on December 26, 2011, 1:14 pm, in reply to "Re: You are correct Doug! Kinda!" 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ If they can do it at the beginning of the weekend when the car number is entered into the computer, enter which tree they request it could possibly work, however if it had to be done each pass that would not work. --Previous Message-- : Hey Crummy. : : Is it possible to have a split tree : 500/400? Still have not had a definate : answer. That would be the best fix... : : --Previous Message-- : Ron, : : Good question and there have been some good : observations today. : : In reality, the .500 tree in Mean does not : affect me at all, until we build our new car : for Rick. But, if we are talking just 10.60 : cars, isn't the .400 the same for all racers : in that category equally? They have about : the same power and weight? So no advantage : and why change it? : : What I do care about is messing with the : index rules. I found that I love index : racing because, as Hanko put it, you are : side by side. : : I see the beef is Open Comp where you Choose : to run against faster cars. I really wasn't : an issue until the fast cars got involved : the last two years. A change in some of the : index rules will eventually lead to a change : in Open Rules. : : It appears there is a fix BUT there is not : enough money or time to add a class, so the : combining of classes is spoken about. : : 9.60 doesn't want to run against 7.60/8.60 : 10.60 doesn't want to run against 9.60 : 11.60 doesn't want to run against 10.60 : : So as you can see, the slower cars don't : want to run against faster cars. This is : the beauty of our current open structure, : You Don't have to. : : In a perfect world you could. : Run .500 tree in 10.60 : Run .400 tree in 9.60 : Run .400 tree in 8.60/7.60 : : Run .500 in an open category : Run .400 in an open category : : Problem is, this adds a purse and another : class to the run schedule. Not what Mel : needs right now. : : So we have two choices as I see it. : 1. Change the tree in some classes and make : then two index classes and split open into : two classes : 2. Change Mean and Musang to .500 and leave : Open Comp at .400 tree. : 2. Leave the system alone and wait until the : sound issues are fixed and then the cars : will return. : : So not calling anyone out. Calm post that : seems to sum up what I have read the last : three days. Mel will do what he needs to do : and we will figure it out. I am prepared to : support him either way as should we all. : : Mel, appreciate you keeping the show going : in 2011 even though your fast cars could not : compete at Fontana. : : Crummy : : : --Previous Message-- : With the muffler rule there will be cars not : showing, however with some tweeking of the : classes there definitely will be more cars : running MUTIPLE classes. Doug, I don't : know if I asked you this but why do you care : if Mean Street goes to a .500 tree. More : than half of the cars in Mean need to go : deep and it would eliminate deep staging and : I know Hanks racing skills pretty good and : he would benefit from the .500 tree more : than me, and you can't dispute that, I know. : I've taught Hank many things about staging : and it's importance in Drag racing, ask Him. : He's a friend and I wouldn't steer him : wrong. : : --Previous Message-- : Hamko, : : You are correct, until the muffler rule : changes, we will have lower car counts. For : me, the Mufflers will stay on as I don't see : a difference with the borla's. : : Merry xmas. : : --Previous Message-- : RONNIE: JUST VOICING MY OPINION LIKE EVERY : ONE : ELSE. FOR YOUR INFORMATION I HAVE RACED .500 : TREE BEFORE AND MY LIGHTS ON A .500 TREE ARE : BETTER THAN ON A .400 TREE . I JUST PREFER A : .400 TREE AND HEADS UP . IF MUFFLER RULE : DOESN'T CHANGE , WON'T BE AT TOO MANY : FONTANA RACES . CAR AS IS WON'T RUN WITH : MUFFLERS AND I AM NOT ABOUT TO SPEND TWO : GRAND TO SWITCH EXHAUST SYSTEMS. ALTERNATIVE : IS O/C AND S/M WITH A 10;80 DIAL IN. : : --Previous Message-- : : Do you really think the muffler rule is : going to change, come on Hank! And Who's : going to pay the prize money for the extra : class/classes. I didn't hear you step in : and say you would sponsor one of them! It's : not about YOU Hank and it's not about what : YOU think is best. YOU need to think of the : overall program and what can make the : Association better across the board. Hank, : you don't even understand the whole staging : process. On the .500 tree you can go as : shallow as possible, still cut killer lights : and probably gain a tenth or so in ET. YOU : will NOT go double 0's in Fontana with your : car shallow staging, guaranteed. : --Previous Message-- : Amen!!! My feelings also. If you want to : increase car count , eliminate muffler rule : at Fontana . That will bring back a few cars : and create another new class-11:60/12:60 : with a .500 tree. If muffler rule stays in , : I probably won't run but one or two races at : Fontana as mufflers absolutely kill my motor : unless I go to the 11:60 class. PS How have : been Brian? : : --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: You are correct Doug! Kinda! Posted by Davey on December 24, 2011, 3:37 pm, in reply to "You are correct Doug! Kinda!" 2nd in Street Muscle Points Let's also remember the muffler thing is a Fontana issue not a PSCA issue. I haven't gone back and added up the numbers but I'll bet the average car counts are higher at Fontana than Vegas (no mufflers). Also as Doug said I put on a pair of Flowmaster Outlaws and see pretty much zero performance difference....Davey --Previous Message-- : With the muffler rule there will be cars not : showing, however with some tweeking of the : classes there definitely will be more cars : running MUTIPLE classes. Doug, I don't : know if I asked you this but why do you care : if Mean Street goes to a .500 tree. More : than half of the cars in Mean need to go : deep and it would eliminate deep staging and : I know Hanks racing skills pretty good and : he would benefit from the .500 tree more : than me, and you can't dispute that, I know. : I've taught Hank many things about staging : and it's importance in Drag racing, ask Him. : He's a friend and I wouldn't steer him : wrong. : : --Previous Message-- : Hamko, : : You are correct, until the muffler rule : changes, we will have lower car counts. For : me, the Mufflers will stay on as I don't see : a difference with the borla's. : : Merry xmas. : : --Previous Message-- : RONNIE: JUST VOICING MY OPINION LIKE EVERY : ONE : ELSE. FOR YOUR INFORMATION I HAVE RACED .500 : TREE BEFORE AND MY LIGHTS ON A .500 TREE ARE : BETTER THAN ON A .400 TREE . I JUST PREFER A : .400 TREE AND HEADS UP . IF MUFFLER RULE : DOESN'T CHANGE , WON'T BE AT TOO MANY : FONTANA RACES . CAR AS IS WON'T RUN WITH : MUFFLERS AND I AM NOT ABOUT TO SPEND TWO : GRAND TO SWITCH EXHAUST SYSTEMS. ALTERNATIVE : IS O/C AND S/M WITH A 10;80 DIAL IN. : : --Previous Message-- : : Do you really think the muffler rule is : going to change, come on Hank! And Who's : going to pay the prize money for the extra : class/classes. I didn't hear you step in : and say you would sponsor one of them! It's : not about YOU Hank and it's not about what : YOU think is best. YOU need to think of the : overall program and what can make the : Association better across the board. Hank, : you don't even understand the whole staging : process. On the .500 tree you can go as : shallow as possible, still cut killer lights : and probably gain a tenth or so in ET. YOU : will NOT go double 0's in Fontana with your : car shallow staging, guaranteed. : --Previous Message-- : Amen!!! My feelings also. If you want to : increase car count , eliminate muffler rule : at Fontana . That will bring back a few cars : and create another new class-11:60/12:60 : with a .500 tree. If muffler rule stays in , : I probably won't run but one or two races at : Fontana as mufflers absolutely kill my motor : unless I go to the 11:60 class. PS How have : been Brian? : : --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: You are correct Doug! Kinda! Posted by fastbackjan on December 24, 2011, 9:23 pm, in reply to "Re: You are correct Doug! Kinda!" I personally think that the economy has way more to do with car counts than the mufflers, so vote accordingly next November. As I said in an earlier post, one of the things that is making me come back to PSCA for Mean is the muffler rule,even though I have Famoso 30 minutes away from me. At least in the 10 second and slower cars, it seems like the muffler requirement would be attractive to racers that still drive street legal cars in competion. When I was still street racing we had to figure out how to make the cars work with mufflers over 20 years ago. Circle track cars (except top three Nascar series) have had to deal with mufflers for years also, it is a trend that is here to stay. The 10.0 index series back east has a muffler requirement and that is one of the things that makes it impressive. If 7 and 8 second heads-up cars can run with mufflers, I have no excuse to not have them. Mr. Crumlich hit the nail on the head with his class suggestions, Mean 10.60-.5 tree and other indexes .4 with no combining. Split Open Comp if the sponsorship is there.

Re: Just a Little Information Posted by Davey on December 23, 2011, 6:12 pm, in reply to "Just a Little Information" a little more information...the real issue is car count which is the health of PSCA. Everyone knows car counts are down, if car counts are down then the PSCA health is not good. I believe Mel made these suggestions not only to address the deep stage issue but also the car count issue. It's a business not a hobby for Mel, everyone needs to put down what's best for them and look at what's best for PSCA. So with tight money how does Mel sell sponsoring a class to a businessman? He does it with numbers, the higher the numbers the easier the sell, the easier the sell the more healthy PSCA gets. Instead of personal preference this whole discussion should be about would this change increase participation in a given class, not redistribution of cars but increase across the board. Using the current 10.60 class the numbers are that last year it averaged about 13.7 cars per event, that's 6.8 pairs. Does that look impressive to a potential sponsor? So let's say you do a survey across the membership and it's determined that the .400 tree turns off more racers than it pleases. If just 4 cars are added to each race your pair count jumps to 8.8, still not as many as a sponsor would like to see but a 30% improvement.....better.....every class/rule needs to be up for review from time to time. All that said you can't be stealing from other classes unless the car count in those classes is so strong it won't hurt them. It's just math guys, do the math. If we decide we all just want to run for trophies then that takes a lot of the financial pressure off, if we want payouts then the math has got to be there. There are several things that could be looked at to increase car count, let's talk about that instead of whether a hand full of racers have a certain tree figured out or not. We all love to run PSCA, we have a lot of friends we've met and it's a great culture, in these times the health of PSCA is the most important issue...We all must be willing to accept change if it's necessary....Davey --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! :

Right on Davey! Posted by Ronnie on December 23, 2011, 10:55 pm, in reply to "Re: Just a Little Information" 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ Almost all the comments on this thread are from selfish people who want it THEIR way! They don't realize things have to change at times for the better good. Hank is a good friend but He doesn't even know what He is saying. I know Him, I know His car and I know ultimately He would do better on the .500 pro tree. He won Vegas and I was thrilled to see it, but those wins will be far and few between until he totally grasps what going on. Have a great Christmas Dave! --Previous Message-- : a little more information...the real issue is : car count which is the health of PSCA. : Everyone knows car counts are down, if car : counts are down then the PSCA health is not : good. I believe Mel made these suggestions : not only to address the deep stage issue but : also the car count issue. It's a business : not a hobby for Mel, everyone needs to put : down what's best for them and look at what's : best for PSCA. : : So with tight money how does Mel sell : sponsoring a class to a businessman? He : does it with numbers, the higher the numbers : the easier the sell, the easier the sell the : more healthy PSCA gets. Instead of personal : preference this whole discussion should be : about would this change increase : participation in a given class, not : redistribution of cars but increase across : the board. Using the current 10.60 class : the numbers are that last year it averaged : about 13.7 cars per event, that's 6.8 pairs. : Does that look impressive to a potential : sponsor? So let's say you do a survey : across the membership and it's determined : that the .400 tree turns off more racers : than it pleases. If just 4 cars are added : to each race your pair count jumps to 8.8, : still not as many as a sponsor would like to : see but a 30% : improvement.....better.....every class/rule : needs to be up for review from time to time. : All that said you can't be stealing from : other classes unless the car count in those : classes is so strong it won't hurt them. : : It's just math guys, do the math. If we : decide we all just want to run for trophies : then that takes a lot of the financial : pressure off, if we want payouts then the : math has got to be there. There are several : things that could be looked at to increase : car count, let's talk about that instead of : whether a hand full of racers have a certain : tree figured out or not. : : We all love to run PSCA, we have a lot of : friends we've met and it's a great culture, : in these times the health of PSCA is the : most important issue...We all must be : willing to accept change if it's : necessary....Davey : : --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! : : : :

its hanks opinion Posted by glenn mcdowell on December 25, 2011, 12:03 am, in reply to "Right on Davey!" --Previous Message-- : Almost all the comments on this thread are : from selfish people who want it THEIR way! : They don't realize things have to change at : times for the better good. Hank is a good : friend but He doesn't even know what He is : saying. I know Him, I know His car and I : know ultimately He would do better on the : .500 pro tree. He won Vegas and I was : thrilled to see it, but those wins will be : far and few between until he totally grasps : what going on. Have a great Christmas Dave! : : --Previous Message-- : a little more information...the real issue : is : car count which is the health of PSCA. : Everyone knows car counts are down, if car : counts are down then the PSCA health is not : good. I believe Mel made these suggestions : not only to address the deep stage issue but : also the car count issue. It's a business : not a hobby for Mel, everyone needs to put : down what's best for them and look at what's : best for PSCA. : : So with tight money how does Mel sell : sponsoring a class to a businessman? He : does it with numbers, the higher the numbers : the easier the sell, the easier the sell the : more healthy PSCA gets. Instead of personal : preference this whole discussion should be : about would this change increase : participation in a given class, not : redistribution of cars but increase across : the board. Using the current 10.60 class : the numbers are that last year it averaged : about 13.7 cars per event, that's 6.8 pairs. : Does that look impressive to a potential : sponsor? So let's say you do a survey : across the membership and it's determined : that the .400 tree turns off more racers : than it pleases. If just 4 cars are added : to each race your pair count jumps to 8.8, : still not as many as a sponsor would like to : see but a 30% : improvement.....better.....every class/rule : needs to be up for review from time to time. : All that said you can't be stealing from : other classes unless the car count in those : classes is so strong it won't hurt them. : : It's just math guys, do the math. If we : decide we all just want to run for trophies : then that takes a lot of the financial : pressure off, if we want payouts then the : math has got to be there. There are several : things that could be looked at to increase : car count, let's talk about that instead of : whether a hand full of racers have a certain : tree figured out or not. : : We all love to run PSCA, we have a lot of : friends we've met and it's a great culture, : in these times the health of PSCA is the : most important issue...We all must be : willing to accept change if it's : necessary....Davey : : --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! : : : : : :

Re: Right on Davey! Posted by Davey on December 24, 2011, 7:02 am, in reply to "Right on Davey!" 2nd in Street Muscle Points Merry Christmas Ron and everyone!!! Now if Santa brings me the rest of my motor parts I'm good to go... --Previous Message-- : Almost all the comments on this thread are : from selfish people who want it THEIR way! : They don't realize things have to change at : times for the better good. Hank is a good : friend but He doesn't even know what He is : saying. I know Him, I know His car and I : know ultimately He would do better on the : .500 pro tree. He won Vegas and I was : thrilled to see it, but those wins will be : far and few between until he totally grasps : what going on. Have a great Christmas Dave! : : : --Previous Message-- : a little more information...the real issue : is : car count which is the health of PSCA. : Everyone knows car counts are down, if car : counts are down then the PSCA health is not : good. I believe Mel made these suggestions : not only to address the deep stage issue but : also the car count issue. It's a business : not a hobby for Mel, everyone needs to put : down what's best for them and look at what's : best for PSCA. : : So with tight money how does Mel sell : sponsoring a class to a businessman? He : does it with numbers, the higher the numbers : the easier the sell, the easier the sell the : more healthy PSCA gets. Instead of personal : preference this whole discussion should be : about would this change increase : participation in a given class, not : redistribution of cars but increase across : the board. Using the current 10.60 class : the numbers are that last year it averaged : about 13.7 cars per event, that's 6.8 pairs. : Does that look impressive to a potential : sponsor? So let's say you do a survey : across the membership and it's determined : that the .400 tree turns off more racers : than it pleases. If just 4 cars are added : to each race your pair count jumps to 8.8, : still not as many as a sponsor would like to : see but a 30% : improvement.....better.....every class/rule : needs to be up for review from time to time. : All that said you can't be stealing from : other classes unless the car count in those : classes is so strong it won't hurt them. : : It's just math guys, do the math. If we : decide we all just want to run for trophies : then that takes a lot of the financial : pressure off, if we want payouts then the : math has got to be there. There are several : things that could be looked at to increase : car count, let's talk about that instead of : whether a hand full of racers have a certain : tree figured out or not. : : We all love to run PSCA, we have a lot of : friends we've met and it's a great culture, : in these times the health of PSCA is the : most important issue...We all must be : willing to accept change if it's : necessary....Davey : : --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! : : : : : :

Re: Just a Little Information Posted by kerzman7608 on December 23, 2011, 6:09 pm, in reply to "Just a Little Information" u go doug --Previous Message-- : : Just to let those who dont know and to : remind those who do know.......10.60 Index : class came straight from the Nostalgic D/Gas : class. : It was racers who raced the D/Gas class that : asked Mel to put the Index together. : The whole idea is just simple, its heads up! : Yes some of you want to argue its not but : its the only type of Heads Up that isn't : driven by the deepest pockets. It runs off a : .400 Pro tree and thats was it. I have read : this whole post and for the life of me I : cant figure out why some want to make it a : .500 tree??? : Whats wrong with the 10.60 Index Class?? : If there is nothing wrong with it why change : it?? : Is there a problem with some of the other : Index Classes? Not enough car count? Then : maybe they dont need to run. : I guess my thought is why fix some thing : that isn't broke. The Gas Classes are the : most highly supported classes in Nostalgic : racing and as from what I have seen the same : in PSCA. : I guess we all have to remember you cant be : all to everyone! :

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by 777J on December 22, 2011, 2:18 pm, in reply to "Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." Just curious as to why you would feel less competitive? --Previous Message-- : Mel: If I want to run against 11:60and 12:60 : cars , I can enter o/c and or s/m . I run : PSCA because m/s is heads up and a .400 : tree. It took me 5 years to get competitive : . Don't change please. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : :

Hey Mel, Can I run Mustang(Corvette) Madness? Posted by Doug Crumlich on December 15, 2011, 3:20 pm, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." I think we could get a couple of Corvettes to make that Class exciting. --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: Hey Mel, Can I run Mustang(Corvette) Madness? Posted by 777J on December 15, 2011, 4:12 pm, in reply to "Hey Mel, Can I run Mustang(Corvette) Madness?" Sorry Doug, we are not gay friendly. --Previous Message-- : I think we could get a couple of Corvettes to : make that Class exciting. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : :

Re: Hey Mel, Can I run Mustang(Corvette) Madness? Posted by Doug Crumlich on December 15, 2011, 4:29 pm, in reply to "Re: Hey Mel, Can I run Mustang(Corvette) Madness?" Now that's not nice. Was it the coming up from behind comment that gave it away? --Previous Message-- : Sorry Doug, we are not gay friendly. : : --Previous Message-- : I think we could get a couple of Corvettes : to : make that Class exciting. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: Hey Mel, Can I run Mustang(Corvette) Madness? Posted by 777J on December 15, 2011, 4:46 pm, in reply to "Re: Hey Mel, Can I run Mustang(Corvette) Madness?" Lol thats funny shit! --Previous Message-- : Now that's not nice. : : Was it the coming up from behind comment : that gave it away? : : --Previous Message-- : Sorry Doug, we are not gay friendly. : : --Previous Message-- : I think we could get a couple of Corvettes : to : make that Class exciting. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by IMPATIENT7841 on December 15, 2011, 8:40 am, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." I think you leave Quick street alone. And maybe split up Super Street to have a 8.60 index and a 7.60 index class. I think you might be able to get more cars from the Heritage series if you split it up. I think alot of them don't like the handicap system. That's the way the split there classes. NE1/AGAS 7.60,NE2/BGAS 8.60,and NE3/CGAS 9.60. You don't have to split them up by door cars or open wheel just by indexes. --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : :

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by Doug Crumlich on December 15, 2011, 3:21 pm, in reply to "Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." Those guys are leakers --Previous Message-- : I think you leave Quick street alone. And : maybe split up Super Street to have a 8.60 : index and a 7.60 index class. I think you : might be able to get more cars from the : Heritage series if you split it up. I think : alot of them don't like the handicap system. : That's the way the split there classes. : NE1/AGAS 7.60,NE2/BGAS 8.60,and NE3/CGAS : 9.60. You don't have to split them up by : door cars or open wheel just by indexes. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by MATTIE on December 15, 2011, 8:14 am, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." After sitting down and reading all of the posts…..All I can offer is my story and my opinion. This was my rookie season in Mean, It was the 1st year I was able to make it an entire season and I had planned on doing it in 2012 as well. I absolutely LOVED it. I learned a lot, met some great people, and have spread the word about Mean Street to others as well. People like the idea of a heads up race(be it an index), it attracts people to watch and race. Hell it took 3 races for my friends watching bracket racing just to figure what was going on. NOW, if it not financially beneficial to the association I can understand a change. But just to shake things up? I am not for that. It took me a ½ a year to figure out deep staging NOW you want to take that away? (Ok I can readjust)…. I am not a fan of racing in a double or triple index…..I did it for SCSN, and HATED it…but it was the only game. I do not have a horse in any of the other fields so I will not offer my opinions, I would like to say that the NEW STREET MUSCLE CLASS THIS YEAR was a nice “change” though. FWIW….I personally do appreciate all Mel does for this program and I am proud to have the PSCA stickers on my car.

The pole is pretty close . Posted by Doug Crumlich on December 15, 2011, 12:01 am, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." The pole is closer than I thought it was. I think most are good with two open comp classes, but I think most would like to leave the index classes as they are except .500 in 10.60. So could we leave the index as they are except change 10.60 to .500 tree. Then have the two open categories, .400 pro (existing format+tow+7.50) and .500 open (new format)? Does it replace street muscle or mustang open comp? Just a thought? --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

You said Pole . Speeds point of view. Posted by speed on December 15, 2011, 7:50 am, in reply to "The pole is pretty close ." Staggered start in index class sucks . Might as well just have two open comp classes ..500 for the old guys and .400 for the professional drivers . Wait then Mel wouldn't make $$$$$$$$$$ . Less entries. But maybe the races would finish on time .Speed says leave it alone . --Previous Message-- : The pole is closer than I thought it was. : I think most are good with two open comp : classes, but I think most would like to : leave the index classes as they are except : .500 in 10.60. : : So could we leave the index as they are : except change 10.60 to .500 tree. Then have : the two open categories, .400 pro (existing : format+tow+7.50) and .500 open (new format)? : Does it replace street muscle or mustang : open comp? : : Just a thought? : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : :

Re: You said Pole . Speeds point of view. Posted by michael on December 15, 2011, 8:14 am, in reply to "You said Pole . Speeds point of view." I agree. Maybe we can call it GEEZER COMP .600 tree 55+ to enter and aarp. Maybe a 13.60 index for them. We dont want them going too fast as well --Previous Message-- : Staggered start in index class sucks . Might : as well just have two open comp classes : ..500 for the old guys and .400 for the : professional drivers . Wait then Mel : wouldn't make $$$$$$$$$$ . Less entries. : But maybe the races would finish on time : .Speed says leave it alone . : : --Previous Message-- : The pole is closer than I thought it was. : I think most are good with two open comp : classes, but I think most would like to : leave the index classes as they are except : .500 in 10.60. : : So could we leave the index as they are : except change 10.60 to .500 tree. Then have : the two open categories, .400 pro (existing : format+tow+7.50) and .500 open (new format)? : Does it replace street muscle or mustang : open comp? : : Just a thought? : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: You said Pole . Speeds point of view. Posted by dtrubey on December 15, 2011, 10:41 am, in reply to "Re: You said Pole . Speeds point of view." Maybe it's time to remind all the "real" & "professional" racers about who's really paying the bills here and always treated like they are in the way. There are options.... and when you rub this crap in our faces over and over...... --Previous Message-- : I agree. Maybe we can call it GEEZER COMP .600 : tree 55+ to enter and aarp. Maybe a 13.60 : index for them. We dont want them going too : fast as well : : --Previous Message-- : Staggered start in index class sucks . : Might : as well just have two open comp classes : ..500 for the old guys and .400 for the : professional drivers . Wait then Mel : wouldn't make $$$$$$$$$$ . Less entries. : But maybe the races would finish on time : .Speed says leave it alone . : : --Previous Message-- : The pole is closer than I thought it was. : I think most are good with two open comp : classes, but I think most would like to : leave the index classes as they are except : .500 in 10.60. : : So could we leave the index as they are : except change 10.60 to .500 tree. Then have : the two open categories, .400 pro (existing : format+tow+7.50) and .500 open (new format)? : Does it replace street muscle or mustang : open comp? : : Just a thought? : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : : :

What kind of stupid comments are these! Posted by Ronnie on December 15, 2011, 9:04 am, in reply to "Re: You said Pole . Speeds point of view." 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ What does old vs. young have to do with it. I'm not sure what you guys consider old. You better look at the ages of many of the Open Comp and index winners and Champions. Don is probably one of the oldest out there and probably the sharpest on the tree as well as many, many others. You guys are thinking only of yourselves, your comments reflect that. When you start thinking of others as well you will start to enjoy life a little better! --Previous Message-- : I agree. Maybe we can call it GEEZER COMP .600 : tree 55+ to enter and aarp. Maybe a 13.60 : index for them. We dont want them going too : fast as well : : --Previous Message-- : Staggered start in index class sucks . : Might : as well just have two open comp classes : ..500 for the old guys and .400 for the : professional drivers . Wait then Mel : wouldn't make $$$$$$$$$$ . Less entries. : But maybe the races would finish on time : .Speed says leave it alone . : : --Previous Message-- : The pole is closer than I thought it was. : I think most are good with two open comp : classes, but I think most would like to : leave the index classes as they are except : .500 in 10.60. : : So could we leave the index as they are : except change 10.60 to .500 tree. Then have : the two open categories, .400 pro (existing : format+tow+7.50) and .500 open (new format)? : Does it replace street muscle or mustang : open comp? : : Just a thought? : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: What kind of stupid comments are these! Posted by kaotik1 on December 15, 2011, 9:20 am, in reply to "What kind of stupid comments are these!" Ron got chopped by Cody the kid and he's in his 20s. Maybe old guys are on the way out, unless you get lasik. Then you can stay. --Previous Message-- : What does old vs. young have to do with it. : I'm not sure what you guys consider old. : You better look at the ages of many of the : Open Comp and index winners and Champions. : Don is probably one of the oldest out there : and probably the sharpest on the tree as : well as many, many others. You guys are : thinking only of yourselves, your comments : reflect that. When you start thinking of : others as well you will start to enjoy life : a little better! : : --Previous Message-- : I agree. Maybe we can call it GEEZER COMP : .600 : tree 55+ to enter and aarp. Maybe a 13.60 : index for them. We dont want them going too : fast as well : : --Previous Message-- : Staggered start in index class sucks . : Might : as well just have two open comp classes : ..500 for the old guys and .400 for the : professional drivers . Wait then Mel : wouldn't make $$$$$$$$$$ . Less entries. : But maybe the races would finish on time : .Speed says leave it alone . : : --Previous Message-- : The pole is closer than I thought it was. : I think most are good with two open comp : classes, but I think most would like to : leave the index classes as they are except : .500 in 10.60. : : So could we leave the index as they are : except change 10.60 to .500 tree. Then have : the two open categories, .400 pro (existing : format+tow+7.50) and .500 open (new format)? : Does it replace street muscle or mustang : open comp? : : Just a thought? : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: What kind of stupid comments are these! Posted by michael on December 15, 2011, 9:11 am, in reply to "What kind of stupid comments are these!" well Ron, maybe the only change that needs to be made is the tree for mean street to .500 and leave the rest alone. I like the idea of .400 and .500 for open. and for Don damn that lasik eye surgery now he sees like a 20 year old. --Previous Message-- : What does old vs. young have to do with it. : I'm not sure what you guys consider old. : You better look at the ages of many of the : Open Comp and index winners and Champions. : Don is probably one of the oldest out there : and probably the sharpest on the tree as : well as many, many others. You guys are : thinking only of yourselves, your comments : reflect that. When you start thinking of : others as well you will start to enjoy life : a little better! : : --Previous Message-- : I agree. Maybe we can call it GEEZER COMP : .600 : tree 55+ to enter and aarp. Maybe a 13.60 : index for them. We dont want them going too : fast as well : : --Previous Message-- : Staggered start in index class sucks . : Might : as well just have two open comp classes : ..500 for the old guys and .400 for the : professional drivers . Wait then Mel : wouldn't make $$$$$$$$$$ . Less entries. : But maybe the races would finish on time : .Speed says leave it alone . : : --Previous Message-- : The pole is closer than I thought it was. : I think most are good with two open comp : classes, but I think most would like to : leave the index classes as they are except : .500 in 10.60. : : So could we leave the index as they are : except change 10.60 to .500 tree. Then have : the two open categories, .400 pro (existing : format+tow+7.50) and .500 open (new format)? : Does it replace street muscle or mustang : open comp? : : Just a thought? : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Michael, Everyone has missed my point! Posted by Ronnie on December 15, 2011, 9:49 am, in reply to "Re: What kind of stupid comments are these!" I personally don't care one way or the other about the tree. I truly am thinking of others and what is best for the Association. I just won the Super Nationals, have won numerous Championships, I can adapt and will. The age thing though was stupid, at 59 years old I would guess my average light is as good (or better) than all the 20 & 30 year olds! --Previous Message-- : well Ron, maybe the only change that needs to : be made is the tree for mean street to .500 : and leave the rest alone. I like the idea of : .400 and .500 for open. and for Don damn : that lasik eye surgery now he sees like a 20 : year old. : : --Previous Message-- : What does old vs. young have to do with it. : I'm not sure what you guys consider old. : You better look at the ages of many of the : Open Comp and index winners and Champions. : Don is probably one of the oldest out there : and probably the sharpest on the tree as : well as many, many others. You guys are : thinking only of yourselves, your comments : reflect that. When you start thinking of : others as well you will start to enjoy life : a little better! : : --Previous Message-- : I agree. Maybe we can call it GEEZER COMP : .600 : tree 55+ to enter and aarp. Maybe a 13.60 : index for them. We dont want them going too : fast as well : : --Previous Message-- : Staggered start in index class sucks . : Might : as well just have two open comp classes : ..500 for the old guys and .400 for the : professional drivers . Wait then Mel : wouldn't make $$$$$$$$$$ . Less entries. : But maybe the races would finish on time : .Speed says leave it alone . : : --Previous Message-- : The pole is closer than I thought it was. : I think most are good with two open comp : classes, but I think most would like to : leave the index classes as they are except : .500 in 10.60. : : So could we leave the index as they are : except change 10.60 to .500 tree. Then have : the two open categories, .400 pro (existing : format+tow+7.50) and .500 open (new format)? : Does it replace street muscle or mustang : open comp? : : Just a thought? : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: Michael, Everyone has missed my point! Posted by Hanko on December 15, 2011, 2:59 pm, in reply to "Michael, Everyone has missed my point!" AMEN: US OLD GUYS HAVE TO STICK TOGETHER. I WON DOUBLE INDEX IN VEGAS AND I AM 71 YEARS OLD. LEAVE THE CLASSES ALONE AND CHANGE THE DEEP RULES. LET THEM ROLL IN, WHATEVER;I WILL STILL BEAT THEM ON THE TREE. --Previous Message-- : I personally don't care one way or the other : about the tree. I truly am thinking of : others and what is best for the Association. : I just won the Super Nationals, have won : numerous Championships, I can adapt and : will. The age thing though was stupid, at : 59 years old I would guess my average light : is as good (or better) than all the 20 & : 30 year olds! : : --Previous Message-- : well Ron, maybe the only change that needs : to : be made is the tree for mean street to .500 : and leave the rest alone. I like the idea of : .400 and .500 for open. and for Don damn : that lasik eye surgery now he sees like a 20 : year old. : : --Previous Message-- : What does old vs. young have to do with it. : I'm not sure what you guys consider old. : You better look at the ages of many of the : Open Comp and index winners and Champions. : Don is probably one of the oldest out there : and probably the sharpest on the tree as : well as many, many others. You guys are : thinking only of yourselves, your comments : reflect that. When you start thinking of : others as well you will start to enjoy life : a little better! : : --Previous Message-- : I agree. Maybe we can call it GEEZER COMP : .600 : tree 55+ to enter and aarp. Maybe a 13.60 : index for them. We dont want them going too : fast as well : : --Previous Message-- : Staggered start in index class sucks . : Might : as well just have two open comp classes : ..500 for the old guys and .400 for the : professional drivers . Wait then Mel : wouldn't make $$$$$$$$$$ . Less entries. : But maybe the races would finish on time : .Speed says leave it alone . : : --Previous Message-- : The pole is closer than I thought it was. : I think most are good with two open comp : classes, but I think most would like to : leave the index classes as they are except : .500 in 10.60. : : So could we leave the index as they are : except change 10.60 to .500 tree. Then have : the two open categories, .400 pro (existing : format+tow+7.50) and .500 open (new format)? : Does it replace street muscle or mustang : open comp? : : Just a thought? : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Hank has said it all right here . 72 years old shallow stages and kicks butt. Posted by speed on December 16, 2011, 12:48 pm, in reply to "Re: Michael, Everyone has missed my point!" I think i saw this guy smoking a big cigar in the lanes too. He looked like a movie star . Lassie taking a shit . --Previous Message-- : AMEN: US OLD GUYS HAVE TO STICK TOGETHER. I : WON DOUBLE INDEX IN VEGAS AND I AM 71 YEARS : OLD. LEAVE THE CLASSES ALONE AND CHANGE THE : DEEP RULES. LET THEM ROLL IN, WHATEVER;I : WILL STILL BEAT THEM ON THE TREE. : : --Previous Message-- : I personally don't care one way or the : other : about the tree. I truly am thinking of : others and what is best for the Association. : I just won the Super Nationals, have won : numerous Championships, I can adapt and : will. The age thing though was stupid, at : 59 years old I would guess my average light : is as good (or better) than all the 20 & : 30 year olds! : : --Previous Message-- : well Ron, maybe the only change that needs : to : be made is the tree for mean street to .500 : and leave the rest alone. I like the idea of : .400 and .500 for open. and for Don damn : that lasik eye surgery now he sees like a 20 : year old. : : --Previous Message-- : What does old vs. young have to do with it. : I'm not sure what you guys consider old. : You better look at the ages of many of the : Open Comp and index winners and Champions. : Don is probably one of the oldest out there : and probably the sharpest on the tree as : well as many, many others. You guys are : thinking only of yourselves, your comments : reflect that. When you start thinking of : others as well you will start to enjoy life : a little better! : : --Previous Message-- : I agree. Maybe we can call it GEEZER COMP : .600 : tree 55+ to enter and aarp. Maybe a 13.60 : index for them. We dont want them going too : fast as well : : --Previous Message-- : Staggered start in index class sucks . : Might : as well just have two open comp classes : ..500 for the old guys and .400 for the : professional drivers . Wait then Mel : wouldn't make $$$$$$$$$$ . Less entries. : But maybe the races would finish on time : .Speed says leave it alone . : : --Previous Message-- : The pole is closer than I thought it was. : I think most are good with two open comp : classes, but I think most would like to : leave the index classes as they are except : .500 in 10.60. : : So could we leave the index as they are : except change 10.60 to .500 tree. Then have : the two open categories, .400 pro (existing : format+tow+7.50) and .500 open (new format)? : Does it replace street muscle or mustang : open comp? : : Just a thought? : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: Michael, Everyone has missed my point! Posted by 777J on December 15, 2011, 10:10 am, in reply to "Michael, Everyone has missed my point!" You go ron! --Previous Message-- : I personally don't care one way or the other : about the tree. I truly am thinking of : others and what is best for the Association. : I just won the Super Nationals, have won : numerous Championships, I can adapt and : will. The age thing though was stupid, at : 59 years old I would guess my average light : is as good (or better) than all the 20 & : 30 year olds! : : --Previous Message-- : well Ron, maybe the only change that needs : to : be made is the tree for mean street to .500 : and leave the rest alone. I like the idea of : .400 and .500 for open. and for Don damn : that lasik eye surgery now he sees like a 20 : year old. : : --Previous Message-- : What does old vs. young have to do with it. : I'm not sure what you guys consider old. : You better look at the ages of many of the : Open Comp and index winners and Champions. : Don is probably one of the oldest out there : and probably the sharpest on the tree as : well as many, many others. You guys are : thinking only of yourselves, your comments : reflect that. When you start thinking of : others as well you will start to enjoy life : a little better! : : --Previous Message-- : I agree. Maybe we can call it GEEZER COMP : .600 : tree 55+ to enter and aarp. Maybe a 13.60 : index for them. We dont want them going too : fast as well : : --Previous Message-- : Staggered start in index class sucks . : Might : as well just have two open comp classes : ..500 for the old guys and .400 for the : professional drivers . Wait then Mel : wouldn't make $$$$$$$$$$ . Less entries. : But maybe the races would finish on time : .Speed says leave it alone . : : --Previous Message-- : The pole is closer than I thought it was. : I think most are good with two open comp : classes, but I think most would like to : leave the index classes as they are except : .500 in 10.60. : : So could we leave the index as they are : except change 10.60 to .500 tree. Then have : the two open categories, .400 pro (existing : format+tow+7.50) and .500 open (new format)? : Does it replace street muscle or mustang : open comp? : : Just a thought? : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: Michael, Everyone has missed my point! Posted by michael on December 15, 2011, 10:21 am, in reply to "Re: Michael, Everyone has missed my point!" well i have won my fair share also. Its not index racing when one car leaves before the other, you might as well get rid of all the indexs and just have two open comp classes. --Previous Message-- : You go ron! : : --Previous Message-- : I personally don't care one way or the : other : about the tree. I truly am thinking of : others and what is best for the Association. : I just won the Super Nationals, have won : numerous Championships, I can adapt and : will. The age thing though was stupid, at : 59 years old I would guess my average light : is as good (or better) than all the 20 & : 30 year olds! : : --Previous Message-- : well Ron, maybe the only change that needs : to : be made is the tree for mean street to .500 : and leave the rest alone. I like the idea of : .400 and .500 for open. and for Don damn : that lasik eye surgery now he sees like a 20 : year old. : : --Previous Message-- : What does old vs. young have to do with it. : I'm not sure what you guys consider old. : You better look at the ages of many of the : Open Comp and index winners and Champions. : Don is probably one of the oldest out there : and probably the sharpest on the tree as : well as many, many others. You guys are : thinking only of yourselves, your comments : reflect that. When you start thinking of : others as well you will start to enjoy life : a little better! : : --Previous Message-- : I agree. Maybe we can call it GEEZER COMP : .600 : tree 55+ to enter and aarp. Maybe a 13.60 : index for them. We dont want them going too : fast as well : : --Previous Message-- : Staggered start in index class sucks . : Might : as well just have two open comp classes : ..500 for the old guys and .400 for the : professional drivers . Wait then Mel : wouldn't make $$$$$$$$$$ . Less entries. : But maybe the races would finish on time : .Speed says leave it alone . : : --Previous Message-- : The pole is closer than I thought it was. : I think most are good with two open comp : classes, but I think most would like to : leave the index classes as they are except : .500 in 10.60. : : So could we leave the index as they are : except change 10.60 to .500 tree. Then have : the two open categories, .400 pro (existing : format+tow+7.50) and .500 open (new format)? : Does it replace street muscle or mustang : open comp? : : Just a thought? : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: Michael, Everyone has missed my point! Posted by kaotik1 on December 15, 2011, 10:35 am, in reply to "Re: Michael, Everyone has missed my point!" There's nothing worng with the way the classes are run now. Why change them? If a higher turn out equals a higher pay-out then it might be worth it. But my guess is that the pay-outs would stay the same. --Previous Message-- : well i have won my fair share also. Its not : index racing when one car leaves before the : other, you might as well get rid of all the : indexs and just have two open comp classes. : : --Previous Message-- : You go ron! : : --Previous Message-- : I personally don't care one way or the : other : about the tree. I truly am thinking of : others and what is best for the Association. : I just won the Super Nationals, have won : numerous Championships, I can adapt and : will. The age thing though was stupid, at : 59 years old I would guess my average light : is as good (or better) than all the 20 & : 30 year olds! : : --Previous Message-- : well Ron, maybe the only change that needs : to : be made is the tree for mean street to .500 : and leave the rest alone. I like the idea of : .400 and .500 for open. and for Don damn : that lasik eye surgery now he sees like a 20 : year old. : : --Previous Message-- : What does old vs. young have to do with it. : I'm not sure what you guys consider old. : You better look at the ages of many of the : Open Comp and index winners and Champions. : Don is probably one of the oldest out there : and probably the sharpest on the tree as : well as many, many others. You guys are : thinking only of yourselves, your comments : reflect that. When you start thinking of : others as well you will start to enjoy life : a little better! : : --Previous Message-- : I agree. Maybe we can call it GEEZER COMP : .600 : tree 55+ to enter and aarp. Maybe a 13.60 : index for them. We dont want them going too : fast as well : : --Previous Message-- : Staggered start in index class sucks . : Might : as well just have two open comp classes : ..500 for the old guys and .400 for the : professional drivers . Wait then Mel : wouldn't make $$$$$$$$$$ . Less entries. : But maybe the races would finish on time : .Speed says leave it alone . : : --Previous Message-- : The pole is closer than I thought it was. : I think most are good with two open comp : classes, but I think most would like to : leave the index classes as they are except : .500 in 10.60. : : So could we leave the index as they are : except change 10.60 to .500 tree. Then have : the two open categories, .400 pro (existing : format+tow+7.50) and .500 open (new format)? : Does it replace street muscle or mustang : open comp? : : Just a thought? : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: You said Pole . Speeds point of view. Posted by Davey on December 15, 2011, 8:47 am, in reply to "Re: You said Pole . Speeds point of view." 2nd in Street Muscle Points I agree with Michael, there are too many old guys putting chassis cars and rails on the trailer footbraking, it has to stop...creating a geezer class(s) would cut them from the herd so they don't infect others...yes, get rid of Street Muscle, all those cars just clog up the lanes... --Previous Message-- : I agree. Maybe we can call it GEEZER COMP .600 : tree 55+ to enter and aarp. Maybe a 13.60 : index for them. We dont want them going too : fast as well : : --Previous Message-- : Staggered start in index class sucks . : Might : as well just have two open comp classes : ..500 for the old guys and .400 for the : professional drivers . Wait then Mel : wouldn't make $$$$$$$$$$ . Less entries. : But maybe the races would finish on time : .Speed says leave it alone . : : --Previous Message-- : The pole is closer than I thought it was. : I think most are good with two open comp : classes, but I think most would like to : leave the index classes as they are except : .500 in 10.60. : : So could we leave the index as they are : except change 10.60 to .500 tree. Then have : the two open categories, .400 pro (existing : format+tow+7.50) and .500 open (new format)? : Does it replace street muscle or mustang : open comp? : : Just a thought? : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: You said Pole . Speeds point of view. Posted by dtrubey on December 15, 2011, 8:45 am, in reply to "Re: You said Pole . Speeds point of view." I'm biting my tongue REAL hard right now! --Previous Message-- : I agree. Maybe we can call it GEEZER COMP .600 : tree 55+ to enter and aarp. Maybe a 13.60 : index for them. We dont want them going too : fast as well : : --Previous Message-- : Staggered start in index class sucks . : Might : as well just have two open comp classes : ..500 for the old guys and .400 for the : professional drivers . Wait then Mel : wouldn't make $$$$$$$$$$ . Less entries. : But maybe the races would finish on time : .Speed says leave it alone . : : --Previous Message-- : The pole is closer than I thought it was. : I think most are good with two open comp : classes, but I think most would like to : leave the index classes as they are except : .500 in 10.60. : : So could we leave the index as they are : except change 10.60 to .500 tree. Then have : the two open categories, .400 pro (existing : format+tow+7.50) and .500 open (new format)? : Does it replace street muscle or mustang : open comp? : : Just a thought? : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: The pole is pretty close . Posted by fastbackjan on December 15, 2011, 7:49 am, in reply to "The pole is pretty close ." It sure seems that the general thought with everybody is to have 10.60 on a .5 tree and Mustang Madness on a .5 tree also, and leaving the indexes alone without combining. I think these 2 changes might be a good start, but the whole open comp thing is still a mess. : : : : : : : : :

Run the number in the Heat Posted by J Bennett on December 14, 2011, 11:25 pm, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." With mufflers , sounds good too me. But finish the finals with 2011 rules.... --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : :

Re: Run the number in the Heat Posted by speed on December 15, 2011, 7:47 am, in reply to "Run the number in the Heat" Who said anything about mufflers except at Fontana ? --Previous Message-- : With mufflers , sounds good too me. But finish : the finals with 2011 rules.... : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : :

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by RJohnston on December 14, 2011, 8:21 pm, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." I like it. Couple thing's I would change is making the index's 8.6/9.6 and keep them on a .400 pro tree, and a 10.6/11.6 on a .500 pro tree. How many 7.60 index cars do we get? I think I saw only one at scsn. Then I would make Procomp 7.50-10.0 and Open comp 10.0 and slower. It's great to see new ideas surfacing and fueling growth. --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : :

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by RJohnston on December 15, 2011, 5:34 am, in reply to "Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." Why not instead of splitting open into 2 separate class's, leave it and allow the racers to chose whether they have a .4 or .5 pro tree? I think most racers running the index class's want to run their own class. I enjoyed running double index this year, but would rather run in the same index as everyone else. I didn't care for running 9.6 cars, and I'm sure they didn't care for running me. I know this would never happen, but I would get rid of limited street (poor attendance anyways) get rid of top comp (we have 1 dragster class in pacific STREET car anyways, why do we need 2?) then combine wild and xdr and make it xdr/tt5 and give a weight break to those willing to run a radial. I like the idea of an 11.6 class, I think there would be a decent attendance. --Previous Message-- : I like it. Couple thing's I would change is : making the index's 8.6/9.6 and keep them on : a .400 pro tree, and a 10.6/11.6 on a .500 : pro tree. How many 7.60 index cars do we : get? I think I saw only one at scsn. Then I : would make Procomp 7.50-10.0 and Open comp : 10.0 and slower. It's great to see new ideas : surfacing and fueling growth. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : :

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by fastbackjan on December 14, 2011, 7:59 pm, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." When I first read this I did not care for it. I would prefer a headsup start instead of a handicap start, it's more like heads up street racing. But, I realize this might be a good way to get changes that will benefit the series and solve deep staging problems. I can deal with a 1 second stagger at the start, it is not really much compared to regular bracket racing. Bringing in 12.60 cars is kind of pushing it, but once again, the stagger is not 5 seconds which seems like 5 years sometimes. I personally do not think many 12.60 cars will come play, and with the amount of existing Mean Street cars, there will be many rounds of 10.60 heads up starts. Maybe if the economy gets better, 10.60 can once again be its own class. It would be nice to see some sort of maximum tire rule here, do we really need 14x32s to run 10.60s? Main thing is no delay boxes, throttle stops, air shifters or other BS that gives bracket racing a bad name. Like the rules currently state-"must be removed from vehicle" should be enforced. I am not sure why there should be what basically would be 2 Open Comps. I think if there must be 2 of them, Pro Comp should be 7.50 to 9.99 and Open Comp 10.00 and slower. Not too many things more boring than an 8 second car against an 11 second car, especially on qualifying day. Mustang Madness will grow in car count with .5 tree. Street Muscle should require DOT tires or at least no slick larger than 28x9. Isn't this the Pacific STREET Car Association? It will interesting for sure, I just hope that all of the various handicap start classes will not be too confusing. : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by Joey7449 on December 14, 2011, 7:39 pm, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." Mel - I'd love to run the class but my Bantam altered is too long. As we spoke once before - is it possible for my 4 link suspended 200" wb altered allowed to run the index classes? That would be the change I'd like to see. I suspect i have the only long altered around. But it would increase your class by one. Does anyone else have an opinion on a long altered being able to run? Thanks, Joey P.S. If you want to attract more cars I suggest making rules the same as other classes in ANRA and the Heritage Series. --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : :

OK, Crummy's point of view Posted by Doug Crumlich on December 14, 2011, 2:38 pm, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." Procomp/Open Comp, I like the idea of Pro Comp and Open comp as long as there is no DEEP staging allowed in either category. That is why we are talking about this. (I might run the .500 tree so don't think you got rid of me I do think that PRO COMP should be able to pit right behind the PRO Show classes. (MEL?) I also think this is a great class for the XDR, Wild, Limited and other slower than 7.50 cars can run so they can do 2 classes too. On the index category, I like leaving heads up with the guy beside me. This is the cool thing about index racing. We really only get an occasional 7.60 car anyway. BUT, we can't have both and make is financially benificial for us and Mel. So I think the choice is 1. Leave it as 2011 with no changes 2. Do this new proposal as Mel layed it out. Mel, I am good with either way you want to do it. --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: OK, Crummy's point of view Posted by speed on December 15, 2011, 7:32 am, in reply to "OK, Crummy's point of view" Doug is talking about himself in third person . What the heck . Speed thinks you are crazy . --Previous Message-- : Procomp/Open Comp, : I like the idea of Pro Comp and Open comp as : long as there is no DEEP staging allowed in : either category. That is why we are talking : about this. (I might run the .500 tree so : don't think you got rid of me I do think : that PRO COMP should be able to pit right : behind the PRO Show classes. (MEL?) I also : think this is a great class for the XDR, : Wild, Limited and other slower than 7.50 : cars can run so they can do 2 classes too. : : On the index category, : I like leaving heads up with the guy beside : me. This is the cool thing about index : racing. We really only get an occasional : 7.60 car anyway. BUT, we can't have both : and make is financially benificial for us : and Mel. : : So I think the choice is : 1. Leave it as 2011 with no changes : 2. Do this new proposal as Mel layed it out. : : Mel, I am good with either way you want to : do it. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : :

Re: OK, Crummy's point of view Posted by dragracer on December 14, 2011, 6:08 pm, in reply to "OK, Crummy's point of view" --Previous Message-- : Procomp/Open Comp, : I like the idea of Pro Comp and Open comp as : long as there is no DEEP staging allowed in : either category. That is why we are talking : about this. (I might run the .500 tree so : don't think you got rid of me I do think : that PRO COMP should be able to pit right : behind the PRO Show classes. (MEL?) I also : think this is a great class for the XDR, : Wild, Limited and other slower than 7.50 : cars can run so they can do 2 classes too. : : On the index category, : I like leaving heads up with the guy beside : me. This is the cool thing about index : racing. We really only get an occasional : 7.60 car anyway. BUT, we can't have both : and make is financially benificial for us : and Mel. : : So I think the choice is : 1. Leave it as 2011 with no changes : 2. Do this new proposal as Mel layed it out. : : Mel, I am good with either way you want to : do it. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : Thank you Mel for working so hard in making things better and more fun for everyone..I'll back you 100%,no matter what Crummy says..lol : : : : : :

Re: OK, Crummy's point of view Posted by michael on December 14, 2011, 7:12 pm, in reply to "Re: OK, Crummy's point of view" well if mel's is going to change things why not get rid of MM it would make one of the open comp classes have more cars --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : Procomp/Open Comp, : I like the idea of Pro Comp and Open comp as : long as there is no DEEP staging allowed in : either category. That is why we are talking : about this. (I might run the .500 tree so : don't think you got rid of me I do think : that PRO COMP should be able to pit right : behind the PRO Show classes. (MEL?) I also : think this is a great class for the XDR, : Wild, Limited and other slower than 7.50 : cars can run so they can do 2 classes too. : : On the index category, : I like leaving heads up with the guy beside : me. This is the cool thing about index : racing. We really only get an occasional : 7.60 car anyway. BUT, we can't have both : and make is financially benificial for us : and Mel. : : So I think the choice is : 1. Leave it as 2011 with no changes : 2. Do this new proposal as Mel layed it out. : : Mel, I am good with either way you want to : do it. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : Thank you Mel for working so hard in making : things better and more fun for : everyone..I'll back you 100%,no matter what : Crummy says..lol : : : : : : : :

Re: OK, Crummy's point of view Posted by 777J on December 15, 2011, 8:20 am, in reply to "Re: OK, Crummy's point of view" mm usually has more cars than almost all the index classes genius you might want to look at the car counts for index and mean before you make a stupid statement. --Previous Message-- : well if mel's is going to change things why : not get rid of MM it would make one of the : open comp classes have more cars : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : Procomp/Open Comp, : I like the idea of Pro Comp and Open comp as : long as there is no DEEP staging allowed in : either category. That is why we are talking : about this. (I might run the .500 tree so : don't think you got rid of me I do think : that PRO COMP should be able to pit right : behind the PRO Show classes. (MEL?) I also : think this is a great class for the XDR, : Wild, Limited and other slower than 7.50 : cars can run so they can do 2 classes too. : : On the index category, : I like leaving heads up with the guy beside : me. This is the cool thing about index : racing. We really only get an occasional : 7.60 car anyway. BUT, we can't have both : and make is financially benificial for us : and Mel. : : So I think the choice is : 1. Leave it as 2011 with no changes : 2. Do this new proposal as Mel layed it out. : : Mel, I am good with either way you want to : do it. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : Thank you Mel for working so hard in making : things better and more fun for : everyone..I'll back you 100%,no matter what : Crummy says..lol : : : : : : : : : :

Re: OK, Crummy's point of view Posted by Doug Crumlich on December 15, 2011, 3:13 pm, in reply to "Re: OK, Crummy's point of view" You let one Black Corvette in there and they will all go running for a rule change. --Previous Message-- : mm usually has more cars than almost all the : index classes genius you might want to look : at the car counts for index and mean before : you make a stupid statement. : : --Previous Message-- : well if mel's is going to change things why : not get rid of MM it would make one of the : open comp classes have more cars : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : Procomp/Open Comp, : I like the idea of Pro Comp and Open comp as : long as there is no DEEP staging allowed in : either category. That is why we are talking : about this. (I might run the .500 tree so : don't think you got rid of me I do think : that PRO COMP should be able to pit right : behind the PRO Show classes. (MEL?) I also : think this is a great class for the XDR, : Wild, Limited and other slower than 7.50 : cars can run so they can do 2 classes too. : : On the index category, : I like leaving heads up with the guy beside : me. This is the cool thing about index : racing. We really only get an occasional : 7.60 car anyway. BUT, we can't have both : and make is financially benificial for us : and Mel. : : So I think the choice is : 1. Leave it as 2011 with no changes : 2. Do this new proposal as Mel layed it out. : : Mel, I am good with either way you want to : do it. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : Thank you Mel for working so hard in making : things better and more fun for : everyone..I'll back you 100%,no matter what : Crummy says..lol : : : : : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: OK, Crummy's point of view Posted by 777J on December 15, 2011, 3:17 pm, in reply to "Re: OK, Crummy's point of view" You got that right! --Previous Message-- : You let one Black Corvette in there and they : will all go running for a rule change. : : --Previous Message-- : mm usually has more cars than almost all the : index classes genius you might want to look : at the car counts for index and mean before : you make a stupid statement. : : --Previous Message-- : well if mel's is going to change things why : not get rid of MM it would make one of the : open comp classes have more cars : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : Procomp/Open Comp, : I like the idea of Pro Comp and Open comp as : long as there is no DEEP staging allowed in : either category. That is why we are talking : about this. (I might run the .500 tree so : don't think you got rid of me I do think : that PRO COMP should be able to pit right : behind the PRO Show classes. (MEL?) I also : think this is a great class for the XDR, : Wild, Limited and other slower than 7.50 : cars can run so they can do 2 classes too. : : On the index category, : I like leaving heads up with the guy beside : me. This is the cool thing about index : racing. We really only get an occasional : 7.60 car anyway. BUT, we can't have both : and make is financially benificial for us : and Mel. : : So I think the choice is : 1. Leave it as 2011 with no changes : 2. Do this new proposal as Mel layed it out. : : Mel, I am good with either way you want to : do it. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : Thank you Mel for working so hard in making : things better and more fun for : everyone..I'll back you 100%,no matter what : Crummy says..lol : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Someone check Michael for a coma Posted by porchoracing on December 15, 2011, 9:02 am, in reply to "Re: OK, Crummy's point of view" Getting rid of mm would also get ride of Ford Racing as a sponsor of the series. Don't think that would be a very smart idea.

Re: Someone check Michael for a coma Posted by kaotik1 on December 15, 2011, 9:27 am, in reply to "Someone check Michael for a coma" Maybe ford racing should sponsor a better class. Maybe ford vs. chevy. But we all know who would constantly win that class, which would make ford racing drop out again. --Previous Message-- : Getting rid of mm would also get ride of Ford : Racing as a sponsor of the series. Don't : think that would be a very smart idea. :

Re: Someone check Michael for a coma Posted by 777J on December 15, 2011, 9:46 am, in reply to "Re: Someone check Michael for a coma" are you retarded? What do you have, have you ever won anything? Doubt it --Previous Message-- : Maybe ford racing should sponsor a better : class. Maybe ford vs. chevy. But we all : know who would constantly win that class, : which would make ford racing drop out again. : : --Previous Message-- : Getting rid of mm would also get ride of : Ford : Racing as a sponsor of the series. Don't : think that would be a very smart idea. : : :

Re: Someone check Michael for a coma Posted by kaotik1 on December 15, 2011, 9:51 am, in reply to "Re: Someone check Michael for a coma" Maybe we could shorten mm to eighth mile to make it a little less boring to watch --Previous Message-- : are you retarded? What do you have, have you : ever won anything? Doubt it : : --Previous Message-- : Maybe ford racing should sponsor a better : class. Maybe ford vs. chevy. But we all : know who would constantly win that class, : which would make ford racing drop out again. : : --Previous Message-- : Getting rid of mm would also get ride of : Ford : Racing as a sponsor of the series. Don't : think that would be a very smart idea. : : : : :

Re: Someone check Michael for a coma Posted by kaotik1 on December 15, 2011, 9:50 am, in reply to "Re: Someone check Michael for a coma" You're right. We do need a mustang class. We need to send someone down the track after an oil-down. Don't wanna risk my chevy. --Previous Message-- : are you retarded? What do you have, have you : ever won anything? Doubt it : : --Previous Message-- : Maybe ford racing should sponsor a better : class. Maybe ford vs. chevy. But we all : know who would constantly win that class, : which would make ford racing drop out again. : : --Previous Message-- : Getting rid of mm would also get ride of : Ford : Racing as a sponsor of the series. Don't : think that would be a very smart idea. : : : : :

Re: Someone check Michael for a coma Posted by 777J on December 15, 2011, 10:08 am, in reply to "Re: Someone check Michael for a coma" like I said probably not even a racer. If you are we can run all you want im ready right now --Previous Message-- : You're right. We do need a mustang class. : We need to send someone down the track after : an oil-down. Don't wanna risk my chevy. : : --Previous Message-- : are you retarded? What do you have, have you : ever won anything? Doubt it : : --Previous Message-- : Maybe ford racing should sponsor a better : class. Maybe ford vs. chevy. But we all : know who would constantly win that class, : which would make ford racing drop out again. : : --Previous Message-- : Getting rid of mm would also get ride of : Ford : Racing as a sponsor of the series. Don't : think that would be a very smart idea. : : : : : : :

Re: Someone check Michael for a coma Posted by porchoracing on December 15, 2011, 11:06 am, in reply to "Re: Someone check Michael for a coma" I got your back Dan and I can think of a couple other 9 sec stangs in MM who would be in line with us!

Re: Someone check Michael for a coma Posted by kaotik1 on December 15, 2011, 10:16 am, in reply to "Re: Someone check Michael for a coma" on the street? --Previous Message-- : like I said probably not even a racer. If you : are we can run all you want im ready right : now : : : --Previous Message-- : You're right. We do need a mustang class. : We need to send someone down the track after : an oil-down. Don't wanna risk my chevy. : : --Previous Message-- : are you retarded? What do you have, have you : ever won anything? Doubt it : : --Previous Message-- : Maybe ford racing should sponsor a better : class. Maybe ford vs. chevy. But we all : know who would constantly win that class, : which would make ford racing drop out again. : : --Previous Message-- : Getting rid of mm would also get ride of : Ford : Racing as a sponsor of the series. Don't : think that would be a very smart idea. : : : : : : : : :

Re: Someone check Michael for a coma Posted by kaotik1 on December 15, 2011, 10:32 am, in reply to "Re: Someone check Michael for a coma" shouldn't a big tire mustang run a little faster than 10.40? i have a 406 sbc for sale if interested? --Previous Message-- : on the street? : : --Previous Message-- : like I said probably not even a racer. If : you : are we can run all you want im ready right : now : : : --Previous Message-- : You're right. We do need a mustang class. : We need to send someone down the track after : an oil-down. Don't wanna risk my chevy. : : --Previous Message-- : are you retarded? What do you have, have you : ever won anything? Doubt it : : --Previous Message-- : Maybe ford racing should sponsor a better : class. Maybe ford vs. chevy. But we all : know who would constantly win that class, : which would make ford racing drop out again. : : --Previous Message-- : Getting rid of mm would also get ride of : Ford : Racing as a sponsor of the series. Don't : think that would be a very smart idea. : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: Someone check Michael for a coma Posted by porchoracing on December 15, 2011, 11:09 am, in reply to "Re: Someone check Michael for a coma" Spencer in MM is a 28x10.5 tire goes mid 9's on a 2v 4.6. Big tires don't mean big et. I can think of many open and sm guys with 11 sec cars with 30+ inch tires.

Re: Someone check Michael for a coma Posted by 777J on December 15, 2011, 10:39 am, in reply to "Re: Someone check Michael for a coma" I dont have my licence so i slow it down. I have 3 championships how many do you have? And I dont hide behind a login name either. Anytime you want to throw a dial on your biscut and come out and run let me know. But it wont happen because you probably dont have a car lol. --Previous Message-- : shouldn't a big tire mustang run a little : faster than 10.40? i have a 406 sbc for : sale if interested? : : --Previous Message-- : on the street? : : --Previous Message-- : like I said probably not even a racer. If : you : are we can run all you want im ready right : now : : : --Previous Message-- : You're right. We do need a mustang class. : We need to send someone down the track after : an oil-down. Don't wanna risk my chevy. : : --Previous Message-- : are you retarded? What do you have, have you : ever won anything? Doubt it : : --Previous Message-- : Maybe ford racing should sponsor a better : class. Maybe ford vs. chevy. But we all : know who would constantly win that class, : which would make ford racing drop out again. : : --Previous Message-- : Getting rid of mm would also get ride of : Ford : Racing as a sponsor of the series. Don't : think that would be a very smart idea. : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: Someone check Michael for a coma Posted by kaotik1 on December 15, 2011, 10:42 am, in reply to "Re: Someone check Michael for a coma" We dont need a license or a dial-in to run the the street --Previous Message-- : It does, went 9.82 138 at pomona. made over : 800 runs on it before i freshened it. I dont : have my licence so i slow it down. I have 3 : championships how many do you have? And I : dont hide behind a login name either. : Anytime you want to throw a dial on your : biscut and come out and run let me know. But : it wont happen because you probably dont : have a car lol. : : : --Previous Message-- : shouldn't a big tire mustang run a little : faster than 10.40? i have a 406 sbc for : sale if interested? : : --Previous Message-- : on the street? : : --Previous Message-- : like I said probably not even a racer. If : you : are we can run all you want im ready right : now : : : --Previous Message-- : You're right. We do need a mustang class. : We need to send someone down the track after : an oil-down. Don't wanna risk my chevy. : : --Previous Message-- : are you retarded? What do you have, have you : ever won anything? Doubt it : : --Previous Message-- : Maybe ford racing should sponsor a better : class. Maybe ford vs. chevy. But we all : know who would constantly win that class, : which would make ford racing drop out again. : : --Previous Message-- : Getting rid of mm would also get ride of : Ford : Racing as a sponsor of the series. Don't : think that would be a very smart idea. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: Someone check Michael for a coma Posted by kaotik1 on December 15, 2011, 10:45 am, in reply to "Re: Someone check Michael for a coma" Why cant you just go get a license? Isnt it just two full passes at 9.99 to get one? Or maybe you cant pass the physical? Had your prostate checked lately? --Previous Message-- : We dont need a license or a dial-in to run the : the street : : --Previous Message-- : It does, went 9.82 138 at pomona. made over : 800 runs on it before i freshened it. I dont : have my licence so i slow it down. I have 3 : championships how many do you have? And I : dont hide behind a login name either. : Anytime you want to throw a dial on your : biscut and come out and run let me know. But : it wont happen because you probably dont : have a car lol. : : : --Previous Message-- : shouldn't a big tire mustang run a little : faster than 10.40? i have a 406 sbc for : sale if interested? : : --Previous Message-- : on the street? : : --Previous Message-- : like I said probably not even a racer. If : you : are we can run all you want im ready right : now : : : --Previous Message-- : You're right. We do need a mustang class. : We need to send someone down the track after : an oil-down. Don't wanna risk my chevy. : : --Previous Message-- : are you retarded? What do you have, have you : ever won anything? Doubt it : : --Previous Message-- : Maybe ford racing should sponsor a better : class. Maybe ford vs. chevy. But we all : know who would constantly win that class, : which would make ford racing drop out again. : : --Previous Message-- : Getting rid of mm would also get ride of : Ford : Racing as a sponsor of the series. Don't : think that would be a very smart idea. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: Someone check Michael for a coma Posted by 777J on December 15, 2011, 12:05 pm, in reply to "Re: Someone check Michael for a coma" not worth it to go 3 tenths faster. Plus chassis cert plus new saftey gear. But coming from a street racer it means nothing, you dont run psca because you would get your ass kicked. I was street racing before you were a itch in your daddys pants. But now that ive grown up I do it right. Come buy my pit sometimes and we can talk about it. --Previous Message-- : Why cant you just go get a license? Isnt it : just two full passes at 9.99 to get one? Or : maybe you cant pass the physical? Had your : prostate checked lately? : : --Previous Message-- : We dont need a license or a dial-in to run : the : the street : : --Previous Message-- : It does, went 9.82 138 at pomona. made over : 800 runs on it before i freshened it. I dont : have my licence so i slow it down. I have 3 : championships how many do you have? And I : dont hide behind a login name either. : Anytime you want to throw a dial on your : biscut and come out and run let me know. But : it wont happen because you probably dont : have a car lol. : : : --Previous Message-- : shouldn't a big tire mustang run a little : faster than 10.40? i have a 406 sbc for : sale if interested? : : --Previous Message-- : on the street? : : --Previous Message-- : like I said probably not even a racer. If : you : are we can run all you want im ready right : now : : : --Previous Message-- : You're right. We do need a mustang class. : We need to send someone down the track after : an oil-down. Don't wanna risk my chevy. : : --Previous Message-- : are you retarded? What do you have, have you : ever won anything? Doubt it : : --Previous Message-- : Maybe ford racing should sponsor a better : class. Maybe ford vs. chevy. But we all : know who would constantly win that class, : which would make ford racing drop out again. : : --Previous Message-- : Getting rid of mm would also get ride of : Ford : Racing as a sponsor of the series. Don't : think that would be a very smart idea. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

That's smart! Tell Ford to go away and all they bring to the table. Posted by Ronnie on December 14, 2011, 9:16 pm, in reply to "Re: OK, Crummy's point of view" 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ And I have a Chevy! --Previous Message-- : well if mel's is going to change things why : not get rid of MM it would make one of the : open comp classes have more cars : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : Procomp/Open Comp, : I like the idea of Pro Comp and Open comp as : long as there is no DEEP staging allowed in : either category. That is why we are talking : about this. (I might run the .500 tree so : don't think you got rid of me I do think : that PRO COMP should be able to pit right : behind the PRO Show classes. (MEL?) I also : think this is a great class for the XDR, : Wild, Limited and other slower than 7.50 : cars can run so they can do 2 classes too. : : On the index category, : I like leaving heads up with the guy beside : me. This is the cool thing about index : racing. We really only get an occasional : 7.60 car anyway. BUT, we can't have both : and make is financially benificial for us : and Mel. : : So I think the choice is : 1. Leave it as 2011 with no changes : 2. Do this new proposal as Mel layed it out. : : Mel, I am good with either way you want to : do it. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : Thank you Mel for working so hard in making : things better and more fun for : everyone..I'll back you 100%,no matter what : Crummy says..lol : : : : : : : : : :

Speed thinks Ron is awfully Fiesty lately. Posted by speed on December 15, 2011, 8:02 am, in reply to "That's smart! Tell Ford to go away and all they bring to the table." --Previous Message-- : And I have a Chevy! : : --Previous Message-- : well if mel's is going to change things why : not get rid of MM it would make one of the : open comp classes have more cars : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : Procomp/Open Comp, : I like the idea of Pro Comp and Open comp as : long as there is no DEEP staging allowed in : either category. That is why we are talking : about this. (I might run the .500 tree so : don't think you got rid of me I do think : that PRO COMP should be able to pit right : behind the PRO Show classes. (MEL?) I also : think this is a great class for the XDR, : Wild, Limited and other slower than 7.50 : cars can run so they can do 2 classes too. : : On the index category, : I like leaving heads up with the guy beside : me. This is the cool thing about index : racing. We really only get an occasional : 7.60 car anyway. BUT, we can't have both : and make is financially benificial for us : and Mel. : : So I think the choice is : 1. Leave it as 2011 with no changes : 2. Do this new proposal as Mel layed it out. : : Mel, I am good with either way you want to : do it. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : Thank you Mel for working so hard in making : things better and more fun for : everyone..I'll back you 100%,no matter what : Crummy says..lol : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: OK, Crummy's point of view Posted by Doug Crumlich on December 14, 2011, 7:41 pm, in reply to "Re: OK, Crummy's point of view" Good point or have Corvette Crazy? Heck, there is a ton of mustangs in Open anyway. Corvettes love them. --Previous Message-- : well if mel's is going to change things why : not get rid of MM it would make one of the : open comp classes have more cars : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : Procomp/Open Comp, : I like the idea of Pro Comp and Open comp as : long as there is no DEEP staging allowed in : either category. That is why we are talking : about this. (I might run the .500 tree so : don't think you got rid of me I do think : that PRO COMP should be able to pit right : behind the PRO Show classes. (MEL?) I also : think this is a great class for the XDR, : Wild, Limited and other slower than 7.50 : cars can run so they can do 2 classes too. : : On the index category, : I like leaving heads up with the guy beside : me. This is the cool thing about index : racing. We really only get an occasional : 7.60 car anyway. BUT, we can't have both : and make is financially benificial for us : and Mel. : : So I think the choice is : 1. Leave it as 2011 with no changes : 2. Do this new proposal as Mel layed it out. : : Mel, I am good with either way you want to : do it. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : Thank you Mel for working so hard in making : things better and more fun for : everyone..I'll back you 100%,no matter what : Crummy says..lol : : : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Re: OK, Crummy's point of view Posted by 777J on December 15, 2011, 8:50 am, in reply to "Re: OK, Crummy's point of view" Bring it I aint Skeeerd --Previous Message-- : Good point or have Corvette Crazy? : : Heck, there is a ton of mustangs in Open : anyway. Corvettes love them. : : --Previous Message-- : well if mel's is going to change things why : not get rid of MM it would make one of the : open comp classes have more cars : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : Procomp/Open Comp, : I like the idea of Pro Comp and Open comp as : long as there is no DEEP staging allowed in : either category. That is why we are talking : about this. (I might run the .500 tree so : don't think you got rid of me I do think : that PRO COMP should be able to pit right : behind the PRO Show classes. (MEL?) I also : think this is a great class for the XDR, : Wild, Limited and other slower than 7.50 : cars can run so they can do 2 classes too. : : On the index category, : I like leaving heads up with the guy beside : me. This is the cool thing about index : racing. We really only get an occasional : 7.60 car anyway. BUT, we can't have both : and make is financially benificial for us : and Mel. : : So I think the choice is : 1. Leave it as 2011 with no changes : 2. Do this new proposal as Mel layed it out. : : Mel, I am good with either way you want to : do it. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : Thank you Mel for working so hard in making : things better and more fun for : everyone..I'll back you 100%,no matter what : Crummy says..lol : : : : : : : : : : : :

We know the truth Posted by Doug Crumlich on December 15, 2011, 3:19 pm, in reply to "Re: OK, Crummy's point of view" That mustang is skerred when that Black Corvette is breathing down on it. --Previous Message-- : Bring it I aint Skeeerd : : --Previous Message-- : Good point or have Corvette Crazy? : : Heck, there is a ton of mustangs in Open : anyway. Corvettes love them. : : --Previous Message-- : well if mel's is going to change things why : not get rid of MM it would make one of the : open comp classes have more cars : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : Procomp/Open Comp, : I like the idea of Pro Comp and Open comp as : long as there is no DEEP staging allowed in : either category. That is why we are talking : about this. (I might run the .500 tree so : don't think you got rid of me I do think : that PRO COMP should be able to pit right : behind the PRO Show classes. (MEL?) I also : think this is a great class for the XDR, : Wild, Limited and other slower than 7.50 : cars can run so they can do 2 classes too. : : On the index category, : I like leaving heads up with the guy beside : me. This is the cool thing about index : racing. We really only get an occasional : 7.60 car anyway. BUT, we can't have both : and make is financially benificial for us : and Mel. : : So I think the choice is : 1. Leave it as 2011 with no changes : 2. Do this new proposal as Mel layed it out. : : Mel, I am good with either way you want to : do it. : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : Thank you Mel for working so hard in making : things better and more fun for : everyone..I'll back you 100%,no matter what : Crummy says..lol : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Doug Crumlich Cutting Edge Motorsports. 2008 Super Street Champ

Make it happen!! Posted by JMRacer on December 14, 2011, 9:19 am, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." With the sagging economy I had to down grade my racing budget (smaller engine, less HP, slower car) After the downgrade I was no longer competitive with the .400 tree in Open Comp.The only classes available are Street Muscle and B-1. I believe creating a 12.60 dial and .500 Open Comp will increase the car count by allowing racers in a similar situation to compete on a limited budget. I know I will enter at least 2, possibly 3 classes per race. Make it happen Mel!!! http://www.JMacPerformance.com --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : :

Re: Make it happen!! Posted by speed on December 15, 2011, 7:26 am, in reply to "Make it happen!!" I had to downgrade due to the economy, yet now I can race 3 classes . Oxymoron . --Previous Message-- : With the sagging economy I had to down grade : my racing budget (smaller engine, less HP, : slower car) After the downgrade I was no : longer competitive with the .400 tree in : Open Comp.The only classes available are : Street Muscle and B-1. : I believe creating a 12.60 dial and .500 : Open Comp will increase the car count by : allowing racers in a similar situation to : compete on a limited budget. I know I will : enter at least 2, possibly 3 classes per : race. : : : Make it happen Mel!!! : : : http://www.JMacPerformance.com : : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : :

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by Davey on December 14, 2011, 8:54 am, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." 2nd in Street Muscle Points Some good ideas Mel, addresses some issues. Dak has a good point on combining those 3 index classes, I don't run them but if I did that would be a concern. Leaving the line together is a lot of fun but my car always seems to be running to far from any index. The major issue would be gettng more cars otherwise you're splitting OC up and the new index classes are going to rob from B1 and SM so that could reduce purses in those classes which normally have the big car counts. While I'm here I really appreciate the new SM class this year and it has been a blast to run in it. The only thing that I don't understand is why chassis cars are allowed in there. When the class first was presented it sounded like a true street class, with these changes chassis cars will have at least 3 classes they can enter. I think SM should be for stock chassis N/E cars, while we would lose some car count initially I think it would increase a bunch if new guys felt better about not having to run against an imtimidating 8 second car...my 2 1/2 cents...Davey --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : :

2 thumbs up Posted by motoman on December 14, 2011, 7:48 am, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." gives us racers more options, make this happen --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : :

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by Dak on December 14, 2011, 7:13 am, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." PSCA Quick Street First of all, I know that increased car counts would make it more fun as well as help the organization a whole bunch. On the other hand, even though some of us have an index, it is awesome to have what is the next best thing to a heads up drag race. I will never be able to afford to run a heads up class, but isn't it great to leave the starting line at the same time as your opponent? The proposed Super Index and Triple Index classes will end up making it like a typical Bracket Race. I joined the PSCA because it is much different and better than bracket racing. I run Quick and O/C now, but with the proposed classes, I think it will be like entering O/C twice. I agree with the proposed Pro Comp, Open Comp and MM, but not too thrilled about the 2 Index classes (other than an increased car count due to them all being combined). I am not sure if we will gather more racers overall due to any changes to the tree or combining the classes. I figure that the proposed Super Index class will have the exact car count that Quick and Super had before, only combined. --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : :

Ken, When you have as little as 4 cars show up! Posted by Ronnie on December 15, 2011, 5:42 pm, in reply to "Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ Quick Street seems to be dying and there is NO way with the car counts usually being less than 10 cars that it can remain the same. I can only see 3 options from the PSCA side of things. Drop the class, No pay outs (Or minimal) or combine some classes. What do you recommend Mel does with Quick and not lose money? --Previous Message-- : First of all, I know that increased car counts : would make it more fun as well as help the : organization a whole bunch. On the other : hand, even though some of us have an index, : it is awesome to have what is the next best : thing to a heads up drag race. I will never : be able to afford to run a heads up class, : but isn't it great to leave the starting : line at the same time as your opponent? The : proposed Super Index and Triple Index : classes will end up making it like a typical : Bracket Race. I joined the PSCA because it : is much different and better than bracket : racing. I run Quick and O/C now, but with : the proposed classes, I think it will be : like entering O/C twice. I agree with the : proposed Pro Comp, Open Comp and MM, but not : too thrilled about the 2 Index classes : (other than an increased car count due to : them all being combined). I am not sure if : we will gather more racers overall due to : any changes to the tree or combining the : classes. I figure that the proposed Super : Index class will have the exact car count : that Quick and Super had before, only : combined. : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : :

Ronnie- Car Count Posted by Dak on December 16, 2011, 7:34 am, in reply to "Ken, When you have as little as 4 cars show up!" PSCA Quick Street Ronnie, I took a quick look at a few classes and their respective car counts over 7 races this year: Mean Street had approximately 94 entries. Quick Street had approximately 70 entries. Super Street had approximately 83 entries. Yes, Quick is less, but a minor change such as Bryan and Hank finishing the season as well as myself and a couple of guys running the entire season would bring Quick right up there with Mean Street. Or, (hypothetically speaking) lets say that 2 Mean Street racers decide to spend a mere $750.00 and add nitrous and go with Quick Street instead of Mean Street; In one quick swing of 2 racers, Quick would have more entries than Mean Street. There are a few other classes with less car counts than Quick had this year. We all know that we need to attract more racers, one way or the other. We just need to figure out how to do it. --Previous Message-- : Quick Street seems to be dying and there is NO : way with the car counts usually being less : than 10 cars that it can remain the same. I : can only see 3 options from the PSCA side of : things. Drop the class, No pay outs (Or : minimal) or combine some classes. What do : you recommend Mel does with Quick and not : lose money? : : --Previous Message-- : First of all, I know that increased car : counts : would make it more fun as well as help the : organization a whole bunch. On the other : hand, even though some of us have an index, : it is awesome to have what is the next best : thing to a heads up drag race. I will never : be able to afford to run a heads up class, : but isn't it great to leave the starting : line at the same time as your opponent? The : proposed Super Index and Triple Index : classes will end up making it like a typical : Bracket Race. I joined the PSCA because it : is much different and better than bracket : racing. I run Quick and O/C now, but with : the proposed classes, I think it will be : like entering O/C twice. I agree with the : proposed Pro Comp, Open Comp and MM, but not : too thrilled about the 2 Index classes : (other than an increased car count due to : them all being combined). I am not sure if : we will gather more racers overall due to : any changes to the tree or combining the : classes. I figure that the proposed Super : Index class will have the exact car count : that Quick and Super had before, only : combined. : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : :

Re: Ronnie- Car Count Posted by Ronnie on December 16, 2011, 9:22 am, in reply to "Ronnie- Car Count" 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ Ken, I know all the car counts are down, I really didn't mean to solely pick on Quick. But I would much rather combine and have many more cars and possibly have bigger purses than small car counts and no money. I also love racing heads up but I just don't see it continuing in that direction with the amount of cars showing up at the typical races. What do you suggest? --Previous Message-- : Ronnie, I took a quick look at a few classes : and their respective car counts over 7 races : this year: : Mean Street had approximately 94 entries. : Quick Street had approximately 70 entries. : Super Street had approximately 83 entries. : Yes, Quick is less, but a minor change such : as Bryan and Hank finishing the season as : well as myself and a couple of guys running : the entire season would bring Quick right up : there with Mean Street. Or, (hypothetically : speaking) lets say that 2 Mean Street racers : decide to spend a mere $750.00 and add : nitrous and go with Quick Street instead of : Mean Street; In one quick swing of 2 racers, : Quick would have more entries than Mean : Street. There are a few other classes with : less car counts than Quick had this year. We : all know that we need to attract more : racers, one way or the other. We just need : to figure out how to do it. : : --Previous Message-- : Quick Street seems to be dying and there is : NO : way with the car counts usually being less : than 10 cars that it can remain the same. I : can only see 3 options from the PSCA side of : things. Drop the class, No pay outs (Or : minimal) or combine some classes. What do : you recommend Mel does with Quick and not : lose money? : : --Previous Message-- : First of all, I know that increased car : counts : would make it more fun as well as help the : organization a whole bunch. On the other : hand, even though some of us have an index, : it is awesome to have what is the next best : thing to a heads up drag race. I will never : be able to afford to run a heads up class, : but isn't it great to leave the starting : line at the same time as your opponent? The : proposed Super Index and Triple Index : classes will end up making it like a typical : Bracket Race. I joined the PSCA because it : is much different and better than bracket : racing. I run Quick and O/C now, but with : the proposed classes, I think it will be : like entering O/C twice. I agree with the : proposed Pro Comp, Open Comp and MM, but not : too thrilled about the 2 Index classes : (other than an increased car count due to : them all being combined). I am not sure if : we will gather more racers overall due to : any changes to the tree or combining the : classes. I figure that the proposed Super : Index class will have the exact car count : that Quick and Super had before, only : combined. : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: Ronnie- Car Count Posted by Dak on December 16, 2011, 9:37 am, in reply to "Re: Ronnie- Car Count" PSCA Quick Street Well Ronnie, I don't have the perfect answer. I just don't like the idea of combining 3 classes. If we absolutely had to combine classes, I think the Double and Super Index that we run at the Supernationals would make everyone happier than the proposed 3 indes classes combined. Maybe add a combined 11.60 and 12.60 class if there is enough participants. I think you 10.60 guys enjoxed beating up on us 9.60 racers last month. Thanks for your input Ron, I know you were not bashing Quick. -Dak --Previous Message-- : Ken, I know all the car counts are down, I : really didn't mean to solely pick on Quick. : But I would much rather combine and have : many more cars and possibly have bigger : purses than small car counts and no money. : I also love racing heads up but I just don't : see it continuing in that direction with the : amount of cars showing up at the typical : races. What do you suggest? : : --Previous Message-- : Ronnie, I took a quick look at a few classes : and their respective car counts over 7 races : this year: : Mean Street had approximately 94 entries. : Quick Street had approximately 70 entries. : Super Street had approximately 83 entries. : Yes, Quick is less, but a minor change such : as Bryan and Hank finishing the season as : well as myself and a couple of guys running : the entire season would bring Quick right up : there with Mean Street. Or, (hypothetically : speaking) lets say that 2 Mean Street racers : decide to spend a mere $750.00 and add : nitrous and go with Quick Street instead of : Mean Street; In one quick swing of 2 racers, : Quick would have more entries than Mean : Street. There are a few other classes with : less car counts than Quick had this year. We : all know that we need to attract more : racers, one way or the other. We just need : to figure out how to do it. : : --Previous Message-- : Quick Street seems to be dying and there is : NO : way with the car counts usually being less : than 10 cars that it can remain the same. I : can only see 3 options from the PSCA side of : things. Drop the class, No pay outs (Or : minimal) or combine some classes. What do : you recommend Mel does with Quick and not : lose money? : : --Previous Message-- : First of all, I know that increased car : counts : would make it more fun as well as help the : organization a whole bunch. On the other : hand, even though some of us have an index, : it is awesome to have what is the next best : thing to a heads up drag race. I will never : be able to afford to run a heads up class, : but isn't it great to leave the starting : line at the same time as your opponent? The : proposed Super Index and Triple Index : classes will end up making it like a typical : Bracket Race. I joined the PSCA because it : is much different and better than bracket : racing. I run Quick and O/C now, but with : the proposed classes, I think it will be : like entering O/C twice. I agree with the : proposed Pro Comp, Open Comp and MM, but not : too thrilled about the 2 Index classes : (other than an increased car count due to : them all being combined). I am not sure if : we will gather more racers overall due to : any changes to the tree or combining the : classes. I figure that the proposed Super : Index class will have the exact car count : that Quick and Super had before, only : combined. : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: Ronnie- Car Count Posted by Ronnie on December 16, 2011, 1:20 pm, in reply to "Re: Ronnie- Car Count" 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ Ken, They will be considered triple index classes but you know as well as me that there will be only a few (if any) 7.60 cars in the Super Index and only a few if any 12.60 cars in the triple index. But it definitely will make the classes bigger, make the win much more satisfying and probably the purses will grow in the future. If Mel decides to go with this plan you are going to continue to race aren't you. You are one of the many truly nice guys in the PSCA and I personally would hate to see you leave. It's all good, let's race and have some fun! --Previous Message-- : : Well Ronnie, I don't have the perfect : answer. I just don't like the idea of : combining 3 classes. If we absolutely had to : combine classes, I think the Double and : Super Index that we run at the : Supernationals would make everyone happier : than the proposed 3 indes classes combined. : Maybe add a combined 11.60 and 12.60 class : if there is enough participants. I think you : 10.60 guys enjoxed beating up on us 9.60 : racers last month. Thanks for your input : Ron, I know you were not bashing Quick. : -Dak : --Previous Message-- : Ken, I know all the car counts are down, I : really didn't mean to solely pick on Quick. : But I would much rather combine and have : many more cars and possibly have bigger : purses than small car counts and no money. : I also love racing heads up but I just don't : see it continuing in that direction with the : amount of cars showing up at the typical : races. What do you suggest? : : --Previous Message-- : Ronnie, I took a quick look at a few classes : and their respective car counts over 7 races : this year: : Mean Street had approximately 94 entries. : Quick Street had approximately 70 entries. : Super Street had approximately 83 entries. : Yes, Quick is less, but a minor change such : as Bryan and Hank finishing the season as : well as myself and a couple of guys running : the entire season would bring Quick right up : there with Mean Street. Or, (hypothetically : speaking) lets say that 2 Mean Street racers : decide to spend a mere $750.00 and add : nitrous and go with Quick Street instead of : Mean Street; In one quick swing of 2 racers, : Quick would have more entries than Mean : Street. There are a few other classes with : less car counts than Quick had this year. We : all know that we need to attract more : racers, one way or the other. We just need : to figure out how to do it. : : --Previous Message-- : Quick Street seems to be dying and there is : NO : way with the car counts usually being less : than 10 cars that it can remain the same. I : can only see 3 options from the PSCA side of : things. Drop the class, No pay outs (Or : minimal) or combine some classes. What do : you recommend Mel does with Quick and not : lose money? : : --Previous Message-- : First of all, I know that increased car : counts : would make it more fun as well as help the : organization a whole bunch. On the other : hand, even though some of us have an index, : it is awesome to have what is the next best : thing to a heads up drag race. I will never : be able to afford to run a heads up class, : but isn't it great to leave the starting : line at the same time as your opponent? The : proposed Super Index and Triple Index : classes will end up making it like a typical : Bracket Race. I joined the PSCA because it : is much different and better than bracket : racing. I run Quick and O/C now, but with : the proposed classes, I think it will be : like entering O/C twice. I agree with the : proposed Pro Comp, Open Comp and MM, but not : too thrilled about the 2 Index classes : (other than an increased car count due to : them all being combined). I am not sure if : we will gather more racers overall due to : any changes to the tree or combining the : classes. I figure that the proposed Super : Index class will have the exact car count : that Quick and Super had before, only : combined. : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: Ronnie- Car Count Posted by Dak on December 16, 2011, 5:19 pm, in reply to "Re: Ronnie- Car Count" PSCA Quick Street Will I race Ronnie? Yes I will. I realize the ultimate goal here is to attract more racers which benefits everyone. I just don't know if this is the answer, or will it backfire because too many people are intimidated by the faster cars? I have had very good luck running against the 8.60 cars in Open Comp, but talking to some of the guys in the lanes, a lot of them are nervous or intimidated running against a faster car. It is supposed to be fun, not stressful right? Here is an Example: An excited new racer in his 12.60 car joins the new Triple Index class and is lucky enough to line up with one of the many seasoned pros with a 10.60 car in the first round every race. He loses in the first round every time and gets frustrated.(a bunch of you 10.60 guys are really good trust me) We all know that it is not cheap to race in the PSCA, especially multiple classes. After losing in the first round several times, he will probably quit and go back to the local series where he can race for $50 and he is confident that he may line up with a stock VW Beetle and still win $500.00 a few rounds later. I know, sounds crazy. Maybe I am getting desperate here. I just hope that I can continue to race with my 9.60 guys, but more of them would be nice. --Previous Message-- : Ken, They will be considered triple index : classes but you know as well as me that : there will be only a few (if any) 7.60 cars : in the Super Index and only a few if any : 12.60 cars in the triple index. But it : definitely will make the classes bigger, : make the win much more satisfying and : probably the purses will grow in the future. : If Mel decides to go with this plan you are : going to continue to race aren't you. You : are one of the many truly nice guys in the : PSCA and I personally would hate to see you : leave. It's all good, let's race and have : some fun! : : --Previous Message-- : : Well Ronnie, I don't have the perfect : answer. I just don't like the idea of : combining 3 classes. If we absolutely had to : combine classes, I think the Double and : Super Index that we run at the : Supernationals would make everyone happier : than the proposed 3 indes classes combined. : Maybe add a combined 11.60 and 12.60 class : if there is enough participants. I think you : 10.60 guys enjoxed beating up on us 9.60 : racers last month. Thanks for your input : Ron, I know you were not bashing Quick. : -Dak : --Previous Message-- : Ken, I know all the car counts are down, I : really didn't mean to solely pick on Quick. : But I would much rather combine and have : many more cars and possibly have bigger : purses than small car counts and no money. : I also love racing heads up but I just don't : see it continuing in that direction with the : amount of cars showing up at the typical : races. What do you suggest? : : --Previous Message-- : Ronnie, I took a quick look at a few classes : and their respective car counts over 7 races : this year: : Mean Street had approximately 94 entries. : Quick Street had approximately 70 entries. : Super Street had approximately 83 entries. : Yes, Quick is less, but a minor change such : as Bryan and Hank finishing the season as : well as myself and a couple of guys running : the entire season would bring Quick right up : there with Mean Street. Or, (hypothetically : speaking) lets say that 2 Mean Street racers : decide to spend a mere $750.00 and add : nitrous and go with Quick Street instead of : Mean Street; In one quick swing of 2 racers, : Quick would have more entries than Mean : Street. There are a few other classes with : less car counts than Quick had this year. We : all know that we need to attract more : racers, one way or the other. We just need : to figure out how to do it. : : --Previous Message-- : Quick Street seems to be dying and there is : NO : way with the car counts usually being less : than 10 cars that it can remain the same. I : can only see 3 options from the PSCA side of : things. Drop the class, No pay outs (Or : minimal) or combine some classes. What do : you recommend Mel does with Quick and not : lose money? : : --Previous Message-- : First of all, I know that increased car : counts : would make it more fun as well as help the : organization a whole bunch. On the other : hand, even though some of us have an index, : it is awesome to have what is the next best : thing to a heads up drag race. I will never : be able to afford to run a heads up class, : but isn't it great to leave the starting : line at the same time as your opponent? The : proposed Super Index and Triple Index : classes will end up making it like a typical : Bracket Race. I joined the PSCA because it : is much different and better than bracket : racing. I run Quick and O/C now, but with : the proposed classes, I think it will be : like entering O/C twice. I agree with the : proposed Pro Comp, Open Comp and MM, but not : too thrilled about the 2 Index classes : (other than an increased car count due to : them all being combined). I am not sure if : we will gather more racers overall due to : any changes to the tree or combining the : classes. I figure that the proposed Super : Index class will have the exact car count : that Quick and Super had before, only : combined. : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by MATTIE on December 14, 2011, 8:20 pm, in reply to "Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." If I want to bracket race I can race summit ET series.........I emphatically disagree with triple index......please do not go in this direction. Dak has some great points. I like leaving at the same time, it gives the illusion of a heads up race....side by side is how to race and if I too had the money I'd be in a heads up class.......MEAN STREET IS THE REASON I run PSCA --Previous Message-- : First of all, I know that increased car counts : would make it more fun as well as help the : organization a whole bunch. On the other : hand, even though some of us have an index, : it is awesome to have what is the next best : thing to a heads up drag race. I will never : be able to afford to run a heads up class, : but isn't it great to leave the starting : line at the same time as your opponent? The : proposed Super Index and Triple Index : classes will end up making it like a typical : Bracket Race. I joined the PSCA because it : is much different and better than bracket : racing. I run Quick and O/C now, but with : the proposed classes, I think it will be : like entering O/C twice. I agree with the : proposed Pro Comp, Open Comp and MM, but not : too thrilled about the 2 Index classes : (other than an increased car count due to : them all being combined). I am not sure if : we will gather more racers overall due to : any changes to the tree or combining the : classes. I figure that the proposed Super : Index class will have the exact car count : that Quick and Super had before, only : combined. : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : :

Agree with DAK Posted by Tom E on December 14, 2011, 9:21 am, in reply to "Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." Excellent points and I agree, I have enough trouble fender racing same ET car let alone two different ones, so I would Be reluctant to run the class. Maybe add the other two index classes as stand alone. I tend to believe that more people will race when they think they have a chance to win, so more classes fits that concept. In the end the promoter wins because that's what puts money in their pockets and allows them to continue promoting events and getting paid for their efforts. I applaud PSCA's effort to at least be open to trying something new.

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by michael on December 14, 2011, 8:22 am, in reply to "Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." I agree with DAK on the index classes its kinda nice leaving the starting line at the same time if the indexs are combined theirs no point in a index class, why not call them open 1,2,3,4 just my .02 --Previous Message-- : First of all, I know that increased car counts : would make it more fun as well as help the : organization a whole bunch. On the other : hand, even though some of us have an index, : it is awesome to have what is the next best : thing to a heads up drag race. I will never : be able to afford to run a heads up class, : but isn't it great to leave the starting : line at the same time as your opponent? The : proposed Super Index and Triple Index : classes will end up making it like a typical : Bracket Race. I joined the PSCA because it : is much different and better than bracket : racing. I run Quick and O/C now, but with : the proposed classes, I think it will be : like entering O/C twice. I agree with the : proposed Pro Comp, Open Comp and MM, but not : too thrilled about the 2 Index classes : (other than an increased car count due to : them all being combined). I am not sure if : we will gather more racers overall due to : any changes to the tree or combining the : classes. I figure that the proposed Super : Index class will have the exact car count : that Quick and Super had before, only : combined. : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : :

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by Does10s on December 14, 2011, 5:47 am, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." I'm not sure how this does anything for the "deep staging issue", but it sounds good to me! We can deep stage in ProComp and stage normal in OpenComp....same car, same setup, two classes. Later, Will

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by FlatTop on December 14, 2011, 2:05 pm, in reply to "Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." Why not split the tree .400/.500 NO Deep staging Instead of deep on the car write (5) no one in the stands is going to see .100 I think 2 seconds of a split in the class is to much 7.60/8.60 9.60/10.60 11.60/12.60 so you add to index class, and split the tree in open comp I know a couple of guys that will come right now if they have a shot @ cutting a light : I'm not sure how this does anything for the : "deep staging issue", but it : sounds good to me! : : We can deep stage in ProComp and stage : normal in OpenComp....same car, same setup, : two classes. : : Later, : Will : :

Deep staging won't be necessary with a .500 tree! Posted by Ronnie on December 14, 2011, 9:00 am, in reply to "Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ And as an added bonus most cars that deep stage will pick up about a tenth. --Previous Message-- : I'm not sure how this does anything for the : "deep staging issue", but it : sounds good to me! : : We can deep stage in ProComp and stage : normal in OpenComp....same car, same setup, : two classes. : : Later, : Will : :

What's not to like about this? Posted by Open Comper on December 13, 2011, 10:24 pm, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." Great idea --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : :

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by sal on December 13, 2011, 9:30 pm, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." I like the .500 tree in Ford Racing Mustang Maddness! It's tough cutting a good light with a stickshift car on the .400 tree. --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : :

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by porchoracing on December 13, 2011, 9:12 pm, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." Looks great to me. I mentioned this last year to eliminate deep staging. Thanks Mel looks like it will be a great season next year.

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by 777J on December 13, 2011, 7:58 pm, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." Love it way to be proactive! --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : :

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by cal on December 13, 2011, 8:09 pm, in reply to "Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." I just want to race an make it fair for everyone I will go with the flow but like .400 light --Previous Message-- : Love it way to be proactive! : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : :

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by GaryM on December 14, 2011, 8:09 am, in reply to "Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." --Previous Message-- : I just want to race an make it fair for : everyone I will go with the flow but like : .400 light : : --Previous Message-- : Love it way to be proactive! : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : :

Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? . Posted by GaryM on December 14, 2011, 8:12 am, in reply to "Re: OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." I agree with Cal, if it's going to help car count then lets do it. --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : I just want to race an make it fair for : everyone I will go with the flow but like : .400 light : : --Previous Message-- : Love it way to be proactive! : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : :

A great way to handle all the issues! Posted by Ronnie on December 13, 2011, 7:39 pm, in reply to "OC, MM, and all Index classes, read and tell us what you think?? ." 07 Mean and 10 Open Comp Champ There still may be a few things to tweek on but what an outstanding answer to everyone's problems. Eliminate deep staging and buid car counts. I like it! --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : :

Sounds great Posted by DonMc on December 13, 2011, 10:19 pm, in reply to "A great way to handle all the issues!" Both formats will work for me Iam ready to race --Previous Message-- : There still may be a few things to tweek on : but what an outstanding answer to everyone's : problems. Eliminate deep staging and buid : car counts. I like it! : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : :

Re: A great way to handle all the issues! Posted by steve cox on December 13, 2011, 8:49 pm, in reply to "A great way to handle all the issues!" Wow what a great idea,just might have to drive two cars in 2012 if this program is added. --Previous Message-- : There still may be a few things to tweek on : but what an outstanding answer to everyone's : problems. Eliminate deep staging and buid : car counts. I like it! : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : :

Re: A great way to handle all the issues! Posted by kerzman7608 on December 14, 2011, 6:56 pm, in reply to "Re: A great way to handle all the issues!" Sounds great to me, i can addapt to what ever I get. I say do it 100% --Previous Message-- : Wow what a great idea,just might have to drive : two cars in 2012 if this program is added. : : --Previous Message-- : There still may be a few things to tweek on : but what an outstanding answer to everyone's : problems. Eliminate deep staging and buid : car counts. I like it! : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : :

Re: A great way to handle all the issues! Posted by cal on December 15, 2011, 4:27 pm, in reply to "Re: A great way to handle all the issues!" --Previous Message-- : : Sounds great to me, i can addapt to what : ever I get. I say do it 100% : --Previous Message-- : Wow what a great idea,just might have to : drive : two cars in 2012 if this program is added. : : --Previous Message-- : There still may be a few things to tweek on : but what an outstanding answer to everyone's : problems. Eliminate deep staging and buid : car counts. I like it! : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : :

Re: A great way to handle all the issues! Posted by cal on December 15, 2011, 4:36 pm, in reply to "Re: A great way to handle all the issues!" now if Mel would get off the stick an give us some dates we could relax an get ready to race now that we've hashed out the light issue lets go racing --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : Sounds great to me, i can addapt to what : ever I get. I say do it 100% : --Previous Message-- : Wow what a great idea,just might have to : drive : two cars in 2012 if this program is added. : : --Previous Message-- : There still may be a few things to tweek on : but what an outstanding answer to everyone's : problems. Eliminate deep staging and buid : car counts. I like it! : : --Previous Message-- : I had a long conservation with a longtime : PSCA racer and he had some great ideas that : would make it fair for all and an : opportunity to attract more racers, possible : bigger car counts (Then that would lead to : bigger payouts) and more opportunity for : racers to run 2 classes with a little bit : more of a break between them (at least in : the early rounds)!! Check this out and let : me know if this can/will work.. It would : also be the same amount of classes we have : but have an opportunity to attract more cars : : Read them all before responding... : : : Super Index: 7:60, 8:60 & 9:60 combined : / .400 Pro Tree / Towing Permitted : : Pro Comp: Open Comp format / .400 Pro Tree / : Towing Permitted / 7.50 or slower : : : : Triple Index: 10.60, 11.60 & 12.60 : combined / .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes : : Open Comp: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing in : Lanes / 8.00 or slower : : Mustang Maddness: .500 Pro Tree / No Towing : in Lanes : : : : : : : : : : : : : :