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Re: I've answered your question, now answer mine!
Posted by Doug Crumlich on January 7, 2012, 5:31 am, in reply to "I've answered your question, now answer mine!"
Still don't see how it is an advantage other than not forcing a racer to upgrade thier cooling system to run two categories.

We can tow to the entry of the staging lanes and then push our cars the rest of the way. I guess in your mind that is unfair because if you travel alone, you really can't push your car to the ready line??

As you know, I definitely do not have a cooling problem but looking for solutions for the other group of racers that are not 10 sec and slower.

Let's just race under the old rules, .400 and no tow. Then no one has any more advantage than the previous year.

--Previous Message--
: It does affect me if they allow it in a class
: I race. I don't like people trying to get
: an extra edge on other racers. Towing is an
: advantage to many cars. You can't possibly
: say it isn't. Many racers come by
: themselves like I said a few different times
: and they would not have that towing luxury.
: It would be an unfair advantage to many
: racers. It doesn't bother me, I've never
: had an overheating problem. But it
: definitely is to some. Like I've said a
: dozen times, lets try and keep the playing
: field even. If it truly would bring more
: cars then I would be for it, unfair or not.
:
: --Previous Message--
: Why do you care if someone tows?
:
: Doesn't affect you a bit??
:
: Isn't the race decided after we take the
: tree?
:
: There is no advantage, everyone could do it
: if they wanted, no change to your race car,
: unlike changing the rules on the race track.
: You can already tow to the back of the
: lanes.
:
: I am sure you see me coming right into the
: lanes after a pass when we are hot lapping.
: And I have 640 inches.
:
: Just trying to get more cars in Open. I
: thought you said that was our goal?
:
:
: --Previous Message--
: Doesn't affect you one bit!
:
: --Previous Message--
: Well the truth has come out.
:
: We have now proposed that towing should be
: allowed in the lanes in Open comp Just like
: Pro STREET and OUTLAW, Super and Quick.
: Other organizations allow it in Open Comp.
:
: It adds NO extra money and deters people who
: push thier cars OR sit until there is a huge
: space in front of them until they move.
: Talk about clogging the lanes.
:
: BUT in Open Comp we only want to promote the
: SLOW car counts aparently. That's why we
: changed a long standing .400 tree to .500?
: Next we will eliminate the First or worse
: rule in red lighting because it isn't fair.
:
: I for one have the biggest motor in the
: class, 640. I have a awesome cooling system
: and numerous times wait for the slower car
: to get to the lanes because they are hot. I
: suggest towing as a way to increase faster
: car counts just like we added the .500 tree
: to increase slower car counts. Let's be
: fair here. You now have Super and Quick
: that can tow, shouldn't we allow those guys
: to tow in open too? Increased car counts.
:
: You guys only want to taylor the rules to
: your cars. I suggest things than any racer
: can use no mater if you are 8.60 or 19.60.
:
: IF NOT, get rid of the .500 tree and let's
: play with the 2011 Rules!!!
:
: I know you really don't want to do what it
: takes to increase car counts anyway.
:
: --Previous Message--
: What do the PSCA racers think??
:
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Doug Crumlich
Cutting Edge Motorsports.
2008 Super Street Champ
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Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll) - Mel / PSCA January 5, 2012, 3:56 pm [poll]

Mel- I have conceeded to the Fairness way of doing things - Doug Crumlich January 9, 2012, 1:32 pm

Re: Mel- I have conceeded to the Fairness way of doing things - 777J January 10, 2012, 8:00 am

Re: Mel- I have conceeded to the Fairness way of doing things - Doug Crumlich January 10, 2012, 7:24 pm

Re: Mel- I have conceeded to the Fairness way of doing things - 777J January 11, 2012, 12:42 pm

If we get enough smart cars, can we get a .800 tree for them so it would be fair?? - Doug Crumlich January 7, 2012, 10:58 am

Doug, Just admit it! - Ronnie January 7, 2012, 1:29 pm

I figured it out and admitted it. - Doug Crumlich January 7, 2012, 3:56 pm

Re: I figured it out and admitted it. - 777J January 8, 2012, 7:42 am

Re: I figured it out and admitted it. - Doug Crumlich January 8, 2012, 9:08 am

Re: I figured it out and admitted it. - Ronnie January 8, 2012, 12:00 am

Re: I figured it out and admitted it. - Doug Crumlich January 8, 2012, 9:10 am

tell us why ronnie? - Super_Racer January 7, 2012, 3:36 pm

Re: tell us why ronnie? - Ronnie January 7, 2012, 11:25 pm

Re: tell us why ronnie? - dragracer January 8, 2012, 1:53 pm

Re: tell us why ronnie? - 777J January 8, 2012, 7:39 am

Of the 39 who voted no Towing, would you leave open since you now have a .500 tree because of towin? - Doug Crumlich January 7, 2012, 5:35 am

Re: Of the 39 who voted no Towing, would you leave open since you now have a .500 tree because of towin? - 777J January 11, 2012, 1:15 pm

How many new racers would join the O/C Class if you could tow! (Poll) - Ronnie January 6, 2012, 11:58 pm

So I see, only rule changes the promote slower cars??? - Doug Crumlich January 6, 2012, 6:10 pm

Doug, Why do you care if the tree was changed from .400 to .500! - Ronnie January 6, 2012, 8:09 pm

Re: Doug, Why do you care if the tree was changed from .400 to .500! - copley racing January 7, 2012, 7:47 am

You don't have to change to a .500 tree. - Ronnie January 7, 2012, 9:13 am

Re: You don't have to change to a .500 tree. - glenn mcdowell January 7, 2012, 4:40 pm

Re: You don't have to change to a .500 tree. - Doug Crumlich January 7, 2012, 4:50 pm

Re: Ron, Why do you care if someone tows? - Doug Crumlich January 6, 2012, 11:23 pm

I've answered your question, now answer mine! - Ronnie January 6, 2012, 11:50 pm

Re: I've answered your question, now answer mine! - Doug Crumlich January 7, 2012, 5:31 am

DOUG, YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY ORIGINAL QUESTION! - Ronnie January 7, 2012, 9:22 am

Re: DOUG, YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY ORIGINAL QUESTION! - Doug Crumlich January 7, 2012, 10:53 am

Re: DOUG, YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY ORIGINAL QUESTION! - Dak January 7, 2012, 11:21 am

OLD RULES AND .400 TREE LEAVE THINGS ALONE - DonMc January 7, 2012, 3:05 pm

I respectably disagree Don... - Mel / PSCA January 7, 2012, 3:22 pm

Yes Iam wrong in what I said - DonMc January 7, 2012, 4:38 pm

Not Perfect??? - Dak January 7, 2012, 3:55 pm

Come on Dak, nothing in life is ever PERFECT - Mel / PSCA January 7, 2012, 4:19 pm

I think Dak was just letting his concerns known. - Doug Crumlich January 7, 2012, 5:54 pm

Sorry. - Dak January 7, 2012, 4:43 pm

I am curious to see what is on the time slip for notification. - Doug Crumlich January 7, 2012, 3:40 pm

Re: I am curious to see what is on the time slip for notification. - Brad Cannon January 7, 2012, 6:18 pm

Is this really a big deal? - quickstang January 6, 2012, 10:47 am

Can you imagine the cluster it would be pairing up 1st round if everyone towed. - Ronnie January 6, 2012, 9:09 am

Not near the cluster you will see when they try to keep the split tree correct - Doug Crumlich January 6, 2012, 11:31 pm

Re: Can you imagine the cluster it would be pairing up 1st round if everyone towed. - dragracer January 6, 2012, 5:16 pm

Re: Can you imagine the cluster it would be pairing up 1st round if everyone towed. - glenn mcdowell January 7, 2012, 4:46 pm

And I bet you would to anyone, for a fee :) - Doug Crumlich January 7, 2012, 5:56 pm

lane conjestion - glenn mcdowell January 7, 2012, 6:03 pm

Re: Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll) - JMRacer January 6, 2012, 9:02 am

Re: Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll) - Dak January 6, 2012, 5:50 am

Split O/C! 9.99 and quicker .400 & towing, 10.00 & slower .500 & no towing! - Ronnie January 5, 2012, 11:08 pm

Re: Split O/C! 9.99 and quicker .400 & towing, 10.00 & slower .500 & no towing! - Davey January 6, 2012, 7:52 am

If everyone towed in O/C it would be a mess in the staging lanes. - Ronnie January 5, 2012, 11:03 pm

what mess? - quickstang January 6, 2012, 11:35 am

Re: Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll) - DCZ28 January 5, 2012, 6:59 pm

Re: Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll) - Doug Crumlich January 5, 2012, 4:58 pm

If you can push it, why not tow it? - Super_Racer January 6, 2012, 3:40 pm

Towing is an advantage! - Ronnie January 6, 2012, 8:36 pm

phone a friend problem solved - glenn mcdowell January 7, 2012, 8:34 pm

Re: Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll) - 777J January 6, 2012, 8:00 am

Re: Towing in the lanes for Open Comp (poll) - dragracer January 5, 2012, 5:10 pm

got 30 in - glenn mcdowell January 5, 2012, 9:09 pm

Re: got 30 in - Ronnie January 8, 2012, 8:52 am

Re: got 30 in - Doug Crumlich January 5, 2012, 9:32 pm

Unbelievable Doug! - Ronnie January 5, 2012, 11:01 pm

Re: Unbelievable Doug! - Doug Crumlich January 6, 2012, 6:00 pm

Re: Unbelievable Doug! - kerzman7608 January 6, 2012, 9:19 pm

ladder bar car its a bit old - glenn mcdowell January 7, 2012, 8:42 pm

dragracer - PSCA RACER January 5, 2012, 6:16 pm

Re: dragracer - kerzman7608 January 6, 2012, 9:22 pm

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--Previous Message-- : Still don't see how it is an advantage other : than not forcing a racer to upgrade thier : cooling system to run two categories. : : We can tow to the entry of the staging lanes : and then push our cars the rest of the way. : I guess in your mind that is unfair because : if you travel alone, you really can't push : your car to the ready line?? : : As you know, I definitely do not have a : cooling problem but looking for solutions : for the other group of racers that are not : 10 sec and slower. : : Let's just race under the old rules, .400 : and no tow. Then no one has any more : advantage than the previous year. : : : --Previous Message-- : It does affect me if they allow it in a : class : I race. I don't like people trying to get : an extra edge on other racers. Towing is an : advantage to many cars. You can't possibly : say it isn't. Many racers come by : themselves like I said a few different times : and they would not have that towing luxury. : It would be an unfair advantage to many : racers. It doesn't bother me, I've never : had an overheating problem. But it : definitely is to some. Like I've said a : dozen times, lets try and keep the playing : field even. If it truly would bring more : cars then I would be for it, unfair or not. : : --Previous Message-- : Why do you care if someone tows? : : Doesn't affect you a bit?? : : Isn't the race decided after we take the : tree? : : There is no advantage, everyone could do it : if they wanted, no change to your race car, : unlike changing the rules on the race track. : You can already tow to the back of the : lanes. : : I am sure you see me coming right into the : lanes after a pass when we are hot lapping. : And I have 640 inches. : : Just trying to get more cars in Open. I : thought you said that was our goal? : : : --Previous Message-- : Doesn't affect you one bit! : : --Previous Message-- : Well the truth has come out. : : We have now proposed that towing should be : allowed in the lanes in Open comp Just like : Pro STREET and OUTLAW, Super and Quick. : Other organizations allow it in Open Comp. : : It adds NO extra money and deters people who : push thier cars OR sit until there is a huge : space in front of them until they move. : Talk about clogging the lanes. : : BUT in Open Comp we only want to promote the : SLOW car counts aparently. That's why we : changed a long standing .400 tree to .500? : Next we will eliminate the First or worse : rule in red lighting because it isn't fair. : : I for one have the biggest motor in the : class, 640. I have a awesome cooling system : and numerous times wait for the slower car : to get to the lanes because they are hot. I : suggest towing as a way to increase faster : car counts just like we added the .500 tree : to increase slower car counts. Let's be : fair here. You now have Super and Quick : that can tow, shouldn't we allow those guys : to tow in open too? Increased car counts. : : You guys only want to taylor the rules to : your cars. I suggest things than any racer : can use no mater if you are 8.60 or 19.60. : : IF NOT, get rid of the .500 tree and let's : play with the 2011 Rules!!! : : I know you really don't want to do what it : takes to increase car counts anyway. : : --Previous Message-- : What do the PSCA racers think?? : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

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