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Posted by porchoracing
on December 16, 2011, 8:48 pm, in reply to "Re: The intent of the no electronics policy!"
--Previous Message--
: Stop with all the crying you girly guys. The
: rules state no electronics, period. If the
: the car you choose to race in Mustang
: Madness is equipped with electronics and the
: rules state you can not have them. Then
: it's pretty simple- you cannot run this
: class with you're car. The class was created
: by FORD and Mel to be bring low cost racing
: to PSCA with old school Mustangs.It allows
: low budget racers to compete on an even
: playing field. By allowing later models that
: use or have the ability to use electronics
: to their advantage is making the class into
: not what it's intended purpose was- to bring
: new blood into the sport and allow them to
: compete on an even playing field.Rules are
: rules, and if We don't abide them, than they
: are not rules. They are a joke!
:
: --Previous Message--
: I believe that you are ill-informed. There
: is
: no competitive advantage with drive-by-wire.
: The throttle opening is still controlled by
: your right foot, just as it is with a
: mechanical linkage.
:
: We work very close with FoMoCo on this DBW
: stuff. Accufab produces all the aftermarket
: DBW throttle bodies sold by Ford Racing and
: also the DBW throttle bodies installed at
: the factory on the Mustang Cobra Jets. I
: know what the OEM computer capabilities are
: for the DBW vehicles. Some things you can
: over-ride by re-flashing, throttle position
: (blade opening) is not one of them. As far
: as the ability to use an aftermarket engine
: management system (computer) to operate with
: the DBW gas pedal, which unit are you
: referring to?
:
: --Previous Message--
: Nobody said anything about a performance
: advantage.
:
: I don’t think that Ron was questioning
: psca's technical advancements. What he is
: questioning is what you can and can’t do
: with drive by wire. If you can control
: throttle opening percentage, and throttle
: opening delay by electronic devise then that
: is electronics. If any of you think that it
: can’t be done with the factory and
: aftermarket units than you are dead wrong.
: To ignore it because NHRA does nothing about
: it (yet) is just that (ignoring it) the
: units that come on original equipment cars
: are more difficult to modify but it can be
: done. I don’t know who does or who does not
: use it but if they do have it and they are
: using it in a manner other than opening and
: closing there car/fuelinjection/throttlebody
: or whatever then they can pass judgment on
: themselves. Ron is right the spirit of no e
: is just that, using physical means of
: altering speed and et not plugging in a
: laptop or tuner and altering the computer.
: And if it’s not electronics then explain to
: me the difference just don’t say nhra allows
: it because we don’t race nhra.
:
: Thanks in advance
:
:
: --Previous Message--
: There is no performance advantage with
: drive-by-wire systems over mechanical
: systems, none whatsoever. It is not a
: "bracket racing aid".
:
: --Previous Message--
: Well my car did not come with the system so
: there is no OEM computer controlling the
: throttle this is a aftermarket application.
: I sent a email to the psca and have not
: heard back from them at this time. I want to
: attend some races next year and want no
: problems to arrise.
:
: --Previous Message--
: This has been an interesting situation in
: NHRA
: since about 2005. The NHRA rules in the
: General Admin. Section of the rulebook
: forbid any kind of a drive-by-wire throttle
: system, unless it's stated differently under
: the Class Rules. Drive-by-wire IS permitted
: in some NHRA clases, such as Stock and Super
: Stock and probably some (or all) Comp
: Eliminator classes. Of course, none of
: those classes tecnically run at PSCA events.
: The only two areas in the NHRA rulebook
: that apply to PSCA events are the ET Section
: (Section 4A) and the Advanced ET Section
: (Section 4B). Neither of those sections
: addresses anything to do with "throttle
: control" so technically, the rules in
: the General Admin Section apply. No
: drive-by-wire permitted. HOWEVER, once NHRA
: was notified in 2005 (by me) that since
: almost every new car built after 2005 was
: equipped with drive-by-wire throttle
: systems, a "waiver" was approved
: and issued, stating that drive-by-wire IS
: permitted at NHRA facilities, provided that
: the OEM computer was used. Most aftermarket
: engine management systems (FAST, Big Stuff,
: etc.) will NOT run a drive-by-wire throttle
: body system and since aftermarket computers
: ARE legal in Stock and Super Stock classes,
: the throttle body drive-by-wire systems may
: be replaced with throttle bodies utalizing
: mechanical linkage. We (Accufab)
: manufacture both types for Ford Racing.
: Plenty of confusion all around, however
: since drive-by-wire systems ARE permitted at
: NHRA facilities, they should be legal in
: PSCA classes provided that PSCA does not
: object to their use.
:
: The old phrase "step on the gas"
: is apperenlty as out of date as
: "blowing your horn" I guess.
:
: --Previous Message--
: Ron
:
: Aren't many of the newer cars throttle by
: wire? I am sure they have raced in open
: before?
:
: --Previous Message--
: I am not sure of the "Letter of the
: rule" but I'm pretty sure I know what
: the "Spirit of the Rule is". The
: classes were designed to have the racers
: slow their cars down (or speed them up)
: manually. This could be done by adding or
: removing weight. Taking timing out or add
: timing manually. Taking throttle out of the
: car by linkage adjustment or some type of
: restrictor plate all being done manually.
: They are considered "NON
: ELECTRONIC" classes. If a product
: isn't specifically listed as not allowed
: doesn't necessarily make it OK! IMO! What
: little I do know about "throttle by
: wire" is that adjustments are made
: electronically. I think the term "No
: electronics" speaks for itself. I
: don't think anyone is using it now, but I'm
: not sure! And by no means take my word on
: it, I am speaking only to the intent of the
: rule! I would call Mel to get the
: "Letter of the Rule"! Looking
: forward to seeing you in the lanes!
:
: --Previous Message--
: Is throttle by wire allowed in the Psca
: index
: and open classes? I am new to the area this
: November and would like to run Psca next
: year.
:
: Thanks in advance
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