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Posted by Doug Crumlich
on December 16, 2011, 7:33 am, in reply to "Re: The intent of the no electronics policy!"
I understand your point, but if the largest sanctioning body feels that it is not a competitive advantage, then why us. We do not want to allienate the newer cars from running with us.
As for cost, That goes up as the car goes faster and there are advantages of a faster car. Throttle stops and delay boxes are way cheap compaired to that. I know, I run both Super Gas/Comp and Non Elect with PSCA.
To disagree with your point and look at it another way, there are classes in the Heritage series for people that do not like today's technology, NOT PSCA. PSCA has some of the most technological cars in Drag Racing. Prostreet is just crazy with electronics, they even use traction control. So I would say, PSCA uses more of todays technology than NHRA does.
Just another point of view from a racer with Today's fuel delivery system. (EFI) Although I am still bumbling wit it.
--Previous Message--
: Doug, It still goes back to the intent of the
: "No electronics" policy. I think
: these classes were designed to keep it
: simple and as inexpensive as possible. It
: sounds like (but I'm not sure) it's a way to
: get an advantage over others in the classes.
: Let's try to keep the playing field AS EVEN
: AS POSSIBLE and not have to spend a lot of
: money doing it. Why not keep everything
: manual. They have classes for all the new
: electronic technologies, Super Gas, Super
: Comp etc. IMO we should try and keep it
: simple and not have to install some new
: gizmo every year to stay competitive. Just
: because NHRA allows it doesn't mean the PSCA
: has to. Again, I will continue to race no
: matter what happens but not allowing would
: be the fairest to all concerned. No real
: need to go backward though I think the
: Christmas Tree is fair to all. Just my .02
: cents.
:
: --Previous Message--
: So what george is saying is that nhra allows
: throttle by wire in there three most
: prevelant classes that do no allow
: electronic bracket racing aids.
:
: If this is true, why would psca have an
: issue with it.
: why ban new technology? This isnt good guys
: where they live in the dark ages. May as
: well go to flagged starters.
:
: --Previous Message--
: This has been an interesting situation in
: NHRA
: since about 2005. The NHRA rules in the
: General Admin. Section of the rulebook
: forbid any kind of a drive-by-wire throttle
: system, unless it's stated differently under
: the Class Rules. Drive-by-wire IS permitted
: in some NHRA clases, such as Stock and Super
: Stock and probably some (or all) Comp
: Eliminator classes. Of course, none of
: those classes tecnically run at PSCA events.
: The only two areas in the NHRA rulebook
: that apply to PSCA events are the ET Section
: (Section 4A) and the Advanced ET Section
: (Section 4B). Neither of those sections
: addresses anything to do with "throttle
: control" so technically, the rules in
: the General Admin Section apply. No
: drive-by-wire permitted. HOWEVER, once NHRA
: was notified in 2005 (by me) that since
: almost every new car built after 2005 was
: equipped with drive-by-wire throttle
: systems, a "waiver" was approved
: and issued, stating that drive-by-wire IS
: permitted at NHRA facilities, provided that
: the OEM computer was used. Most aftermarket
: engine management systems (FAST, Big Stuff,
: etc.) will NOT run a drive-by-wire throttle
: body system and since aftermarket computers
: ARE legal in Stock and Super Stock classes,
: the throttle body drive-by-wire systems may
: be replaced with throttle bodies utalizing
: mechanical linkage. We (Accufab)
: manufacture both types for Ford Racing.
: Plenty of confusion all around, however
: since drive-by-wire systems ARE permitted at
: NHRA facilities, they should be legal in
: PSCA classes provided that PSCA does not
: object to their use.
:
: The old phrase "step on the gas"
: is apperenlty as out of date as
: "blowing your horn" I guess.
:
: --Previous Message--
: Ron
:
: Aren't many of the newer cars throttle by
: wire? I am sure they have raced in open
: before?
:
: --Previous Message--
: I am not sure of the "Letter of the
: rule" but I'm pretty sure I know what
: the "Spirit of the Rule is". The
: classes were designed to have the racers
: slow their cars down (or speed them up)
: manually. This could be done by adding or
: removing weight. Taking timing out or add
: timing manually. Taking throttle out of the
: car by linkage adjustment or some type of
: restrictor plate all being done manually.
: They are considered "NON
: ELECTRONIC" classes. If a product
: isn't specifically listed as not allowed
: doesn't necessarily make it OK! IMO! What
: little I do know about "throttle by
: wire" is that adjustments are made
: electronically. I think the term "No
: electronics" speaks for itself. I
: don't think anyone is using it now, but I'm
: not sure! And by no means take my word on
: it, I am speaking only to the intent of the
: rule! I would call Mel to get the
: "Letter of the Rule"! Looking
: forward to seeing you in the lanes!
:
: --Previous Message--
: Is throttle by wire allowed in the Psca
: index
: and open classes? I am new to the area this
: November and would like to run Psca next
: year.
:
: Thanks in advance
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Doug Crumlich
Cutting Edge Motorsports.
2008 Super Street Champ
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