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Re: RE" PAN AM IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS INCIDENT PA 103 1988

Posted by Claudia Oxee on 10/6/2009, 12:30 pm, in reply to "RE" PAN AM IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS INCIDENT PA 103 1988"
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I would like to hear from any pan am staff who worked 103 at JFK the afternoon of the bombing on Dec. 21. I did..and am writing a manuscript re: airport emergency operations and am including JFK's operational emergency response. I appreciate anyone who is willing to share their involvement at JFK with 103 that horrible day! Thank you kindly...please email to my email address: claudiahbrown@yahoo.com --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : Hello,everyone.Back in 1988 they didn't have : passenger/baggage reconciliation,meaning : that a bag or suitcase could be put on any : aircraft,at any time,without the : varification that the passenger who it : belonged to boarded the plane as well. This : was the main reason flight 103 went : down.After this incident the rules were : changed.However,in my opinion,if a terrorist : really wants to repeat such an incident,I : don't think there is much anyone can do to : stop it.If you think about it,an aircraft is : a very easy target,and regretfully,there are : too many people who take advantage of that : fact.Thank you. : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : HELLO TO YOU ALL PAN AMAIRS AND FORMER PAN : AM : STAFF I WAS READING WILLIE SINGH'S COMMENTS : AND FRANKS AS WELL.OVER THE YEARS I WORKED : FOR AIR NZ THOSE DAYS OF THE DC-8 DC10-30 : JETS WE HAD I RECALL THE INCIDENT OF PAN AM : THE DOWNING OF FLIGHT PA103 OVER LOCKERBIE. : YOU HAVE THE MEDIA TO BLAME FOR MAKING : ACCUSATIONS THEY ALWAYS LIE ABOUT WITHOUT : KNOWLEDGE OF THE FULL FACTS AND TRUTH BEHIND : THIS ACCIDENT. IN FACT AFTER YEARS OF THIS : DISARSTER IT WAS FOUND PAN AM WASN'T AT : FAULT FOR THE LOSS OF LIVES OR THE DOWNING : OF THE AIRCRAFT. I SUPPORT AND ACKNOWLEDGE : THE PAn AM EMPLOYEE'S AND THE PEOPLE WHO : FLEW HER THAT PAN AM WASN;T COUNTABE AT ALL : FOR ANY WRONG DOING THANK YOU. : : EDDIE MYERS AIR NZ EMPLYEE 1965-2009 NOW : RETIRED : A PAN AMERICAN PASSENGER & ADMIRER : :Hello there Eddie i agree with you my friend : and so would many others that PAN AM wasn't : held countable for this incident back in : 1988 with The Maid of the Sea's our Boeing : 747-121 jet. We intend to egnore the media : or T"V reports about the dowining of : this aircraft over Lockerbie in 1988.Firstly : they love getting second hand info from very : liable sources and adding crap to the story : to get coverage and there paid very well i : might add. That's what news reporters and : journalist are like. I remember a day after : the accident at MIA where i worked for PAN : AM before moving to JFK NY city. the Media : were all over the PAN AM building and out at : the maintance base of PAN AM even to go as : low as asking PAN AM passengers in the : terminal about the incident and what they : had to say about PAN AM. Then they called : the police in to calm tensions because of : the media stirring up passengers. But it's : good to see they get put into line these : days. Well Eddie it's goodto see our Kiwi : friends from a far distance loved like and : flew our PAN AM and mind you help with our : delays at AKL in those early years taking : our PAX up to LAX when our jumbo's refused : to start. Your airline the green and blue : birds of the pacific AIR NZ had spectacular : sparkling DC10-30 jets i admired when one : flew into MIA back in 1978 ZULU PIPAR ZK-NZP : the one that perished in 1979. Beautiful : aircraft to look at when she came in and was : towed and rested up on a charter flight. I : have a photo taken of her along side our : TRISTAR Clipper Golden Eagle. I will send it : to you soon. Take care Kiwi friend Thank You : : Maza for Clipper Neptune's Car : THE WORLD'S MOST EXPERINCED AIRLINE : PAN AM : :Hello my good old mate Maza and Eddie as a : veteran pilot for more then thirty years : flying experince I can say who ever was or : taken resposability or claimed to be the : terriost of this incident are indeed the : people to blame. Our PAN AM was a target to : them. Back then security was a joke compared : to what it is today very tight. I remember : Maza when i meet up with you at JFK at : Hanger 14 06/14/79 when our 747-121 Ocean : Pearl refused to start and was towed to : maintance. when we went for a cuppa my : friend and came back to find a school trip : or children underneath the belly of Ocean : Pearl waiting for the PAN AM person to show : them around the plane what a shock they made : there way out into the hanger. Security : didn't even no they were there?? that shows : how easy it was back then to walk straight : into a secure area and come up along side an : aircraft nobody would no who you are they : come and go. Anyway Eddie Maza thats' not : why our PAN AM fell from the skies there was : more to the story====?? than meets the eye. : Take care ----WS----- : : Regards : Willie Singh for Fleetwing : PAN AMERICAN WORLD AIRWAYS : : : :Hello to all who use this site or to look at : it of the history of such a large airline : with a number of records of flights broken : globaly,for the most passengers carried : around the world in the seventies and for : bringing in the jet age era and the airline : with a smear of record breaking deaths & : written off aircraft and i might add : responsable for there own fatalities for the : loss of human life, and poor maintance for : there aircraft. I flew many times with PAN : AM over the years she was in operation. : However what concerns me and others how : people from this airline PAN AM who worked : for the queen of the skies can say PAN AM is : not responsable for the Lockerbie or the : downing of this airliner over Lockerbie in : 1988. (NOT ACCOUNTABLE NOT RESPONSABLE)In : the eye's of the laws of America & the : UK the airline is partly to blame for this : incident in 1988 on the ground and in the : air. As a high court lawyer there were many : factors and questions put before this : inquiry relating to PAN AM and it's : operations and proceedures as an operator : carrying human lives. One major link to the : inquiry which surounds this complete downing : of a very large aircraft with civilains on : board or human life on the ground where this : airliner came down after a bomb ripped : through the front AFT section of the 747 : jetliner spilting it into three parts in mid : air causing death to those on board and : inocent lives of the township of Lockerbie. : I refer the PAN AM facilites at both : Heathrow and Gatwick's airports. These : operating procedures came under scrutiny or : the micro scope for investigation for the : security inside the terminals or at the : gates where PAN AM parked there aircraft. : Airport security and x-ray screening was in : place and baggage was checked into and gone : through the carasels to be loaded into cargo : bins and put onto the aircraft. These were : PAN AM employee's and some British Airways : staff handlers who knew each other.However : the questioned remains un answered why was : this aircraft not checked by security at : this airport before PA 103 left the ground : that night this could have saved lives in : the air and on the ground might it had being : checked over by PAN AM security. I refer : back to that afternoon when the jet arrived : (N739PA)PAN AM 747-121 or that evening a tip : off from an unknown source to PAN AM at this : airport was told of a bomb threat which was : on a PAN AM 747 would be detonated and lives : lost. PAN AM however claim no such phone : call was made to the airline concerning such : an incident occurred. But a PAN AM employee : working there that evening recorded this : forgin voice which the call was made from : the US however the jet originally left from : JFK airport bound for the UK. Also why did : PAN AM try to cover this up and not take : action to prevent this blowing up of there : own jet and civlians on board. Some unusal : staements from PAN AM lead this inquiry to : say the airline was hurting financially over : the years in operation and was cutting costs : to avoid chapter eleven in all sorts of ways : and the owners of this jet CITIBANK wanted : to take back this jet along with other : aircraft as large substancal amounts of : money was owing to the banks which was : eventually written off after PAN AM was : liquidated and remaining aircraft sold or : disposed of to the deserts. Then CIA got : there hands involed and it wasn't until : years later the CIA had tried to cover up : some mifts in the inquiry until it was made : clear that the airlines had CIA informants : working for the airline and had trained : these libyian terriost and were emploed by : PAN AM to carry out this act of savatage on : the american goverment but not so much for : the airline itself as PAN AM was an easy : target and at the end of the road for : recovery or never to recover from this fall : out. So the question is how did such a large : explosive manage to get aboard this aircraft : to be continued--- :

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Message Thread: RE: PAN AM NOT HELD COUNTABLE FOR LOCKERBIE - EDDIE MYERS 7/18/2009, 9:11 pm Re: RE: PAN AM NOT HELD COUNTABLE FOR LOCKERBIE - Maza for Neptunes Car 7/19/2009, 6:38 pm Re: RE: PAN AM NOT HELD COUNTABLE FOR LOCKERBIE - Fleetwing for Willie Singh 7/22/2009, 6:16 pm Re: RE: PAN AM NOT HELD COUNTABLE FOR LOCKERBIE - frank 7/23/2009, 10:12 am RE" PAN AM IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS INCIDENT PA 103 1988 - Lindsay Taylor 8/2/2009, 7:31 pm Re: RE" PAN AM IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS INCIDENT PA 103 1988 - Claudia Oxee 10/6/2009, 12:30 pm Re: RE" PAN AM IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS INCIDENT PA 103 1988 - frank 8/3/2009, 10:53 am Re: RE" PAN AM IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS INCIDENT PA 103 1988 - Willie Singh for Fleetwing 8/4/2009, 9:05 pm « Back to thread

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