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Posted by Lindsay Taylor on 8/2/2009, 7:31 pm, in reply to "Re: RE: PAN AM NOT HELD COUNTABLE FOR LOCKERBIE"
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: Hello,everyone.Back in 1988 they didn't have
: passenger/baggage reconciliation,meaning
: that a bag or suitcase could be put on any
: aircraft,at any time,without the
: varification that the passenger who it
: belonged to boarded the plane as well. This
: was the main reason flight 103 went
: down.After this incident the rules were
: changed.However,in my opinion,if a terrorist
: really wants to repeat such an incident,I
: don't think there is much anyone can do to
: stop it.If you think about it,an aircraft is
: a very easy target,and regretfully,there are
: too many people who take advantage of that
: fact.Thank you.
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: HELLO TO YOU ALL PAN AMAIRS AND FORMER PAN
: AM
: STAFF I WAS READING WILLIE SINGH'S COMMENTS
: AND FRANKS AS WELL.OVER THE YEARS I WORKED
: FOR AIR NZ THOSE DAYS OF THE DC-8 DC10-30
: JETS WE HAD I RECALL THE INCIDENT OF PAN AM
: THE DOWNING OF FLIGHT PA103 OVER LOCKERBIE.
: YOU HAVE THE MEDIA TO BLAME FOR MAKING
: ACCUSATIONS THEY ALWAYS LIE ABOUT WITHOUT
: KNOWLEDGE OF THE FULL FACTS AND TRUTH BEHIND
: THIS ACCIDENT. IN FACT AFTER YEARS OF THIS
: DISARSTER IT WAS FOUND PAN AM WASN'T AT
: FAULT FOR THE LOSS OF LIVES OR THE DOWNING
: OF THE AIRCRAFT. I SUPPORT AND ACKNOWLEDGE
: THE PAn AM EMPLOYEE'S AND THE PEOPLE WHO
: FLEW HER THAT PAN AM WASN;T COUNTABE AT ALL
: FOR ANY WRONG DOING THANK YOU.
:
: EDDIE MYERS AIR NZ EMPLYEE 1965-2009 NOW
: RETIRED
: A PAN AMERICAN PASSENGER & ADMIRER
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:Hello there Eddie i agree with you my friend
: and so would many others that PAN AM wasn't
: held countable for this incident back in
: 1988 with The Maid of the Sea's our Boeing
: 747-121 jet. We intend to egnore the media
: or T"V reports about the dowining of
: this aircraft over Lockerbie in 1988.Firstly
: they love getting second hand info from very
: liable sources and adding crap to the story
: to get coverage and there paid very well i
: might add. That's what news reporters and
: journalist are like. I remember a day after
: the accident at MIA where i worked for PAN
: AM before moving to JFK NY city. the Media
: were all over the PAN AM building and out at
: the maintance base of PAN AM even to go as
: low as asking PAN AM passengers in the
: terminal about the incident and what they
: had to say about PAN AM. Then they called
: the police in to calm tensions because of
: the media stirring up passengers. But it's
: good to see they get put into line these
: days. Well Eddie it's goodto see our Kiwi
: friends from a far distance loved like and
: flew our PAN AM and mind you help with our
: delays at AKL in those early years taking
: our PAX up to LAX when our jumbo's refused
: to start. Your airline the green and blue
: birds of the pacific AIR NZ had spectacular
: sparkling DC10-30 jets i admired when one
: flew into MIA back in 1978 ZULU PIPAR ZK-NZP
: the one that perished in 1979. Beautiful
: aircraft to look at when she came in and was
: towed and rested up on a charter flight. I
: have a photo taken of her along side our
: TRISTAR Clipper Golden Eagle. I will send it
: to you soon. Take care Kiwi friend Thank You
:
: Maza for Clipper Neptune's Car
: THE WORLD'S MOST EXPERINCED AIRLINE
: PAN AM
:
:Hello my good old mate Maza and Eddie as a
: veteran pilot for more then thirty years
: flying experince I can say who ever was or
: taken resposability or claimed to be the
: terriost of this incident are indeed the
: people to blame. Our PAN AM was a target to
: them. Back then security was a joke compared
: to what it is today very tight. I remember
: Maza when i meet up with you at JFK at
: Hanger 14 06/14/79 when our 747-121 Ocean
: Pearl refused to start and was towed to
: maintance. when we went for a cuppa my
: friend and came back to find a school trip
: or children underneath the belly of Ocean
: Pearl waiting for the PAN AM person to show
: them around the plane what a shock they made
: there way out into the hanger. Security
: didn't even no they were there?? that shows
: how easy it was back then to walk straight
: into a secure area and come up along side an
: aircraft nobody would no who you are they
: come and go. Anyway Eddie Maza thats' not
: why our PAN AM fell from the skies there was
: more to the story====?? than meets the eye.
: Take care ----WS-----
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: Regards
: Willie Singh for Fleetwing
: PAN AMERICAN WORLD AIRWAYS
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:Hello to all who use this site or to look at it of the history of such a large airline with a number of records of flights broken globaly,for the most passengers carried around the world in the seventies and for bringing in the jet age era and the airline with a smear of record breaking deaths & written off aircraft and i might add responsable for there own fatalities for the loss of human life, and poor maintance for there aircraft. I flew many times with PAN AM over the years she was in operation. However what concerns me and others how people from this airline PAN AM who worked for the queen of the skies can say PAN AM is not responsable for the Lockerbie or the downing of this airliner over Lockerbie in 1988. (NOT ACCOUNTABLE NOT RESPONSABLE)In the eye's of the laws of America & the UK the airline is partly to blame for this incident in 1988 on the ground and in the air. As a high court lawyer there were many factors and questions put before this inquiry relating to PAN AM and it's operations and proceedures as an operator carrying human lives. One major link to the inquiry which surounds this complete downing of a very large aircraft with civilains on board or human life on the ground where this airliner came down after a bomb ripped through the front AFT section of the 747 jetliner spilting it into three parts in mid air causing death to those on board and inocent lives of the township of Lockerbie. I refer the PAN AM facilites at both Heathrow and Gatwick's airports. These operating procedures came under scrutiny or the micro scope for investigation for the security inside the terminals or at the gates where PAN AM parked there aircraft. Airport security and x-ray screening was in place and baggage was checked into and gone through the carasels to be loaded into cargo bins and put onto the aircraft. These were PAN AM employee's and some British Airways staff handlers who knew each other.However the questioned remains un answered why was this aircraft not checked by security at this airport before PA 103 left the ground that night this could have saved lives in the air and on the ground might it had being checked over by PAN AM security. I refer back to that afternoon when the jet arrived (N739PA)PAN AM 747-121 or that evening a tip off from an unknown source to PAN AM at this airport was told of a bomb threat which was on a PAN AM 747 would be detonated and lives lost. PAN AM however claim no such phone call was made to the airline concerning such an incident occurred. But a PAN AM employee working there that evening recorded this forgin voice which the call was made from the US however the jet originally left from JFK airport bound for the UK. Also why did PAN AM try to cover this up and not take action to prevent this blowing up of there own jet and civlians on board. Some unusal staements from PAN AM lead this inquiry to say the airline was hurting financially over the years in operation and was cutting costs to avoid chapter eleven in all sorts of ways and the owners of this jet CITIBANK wanted to take back this jet along with other aircraft as large substancal amounts of money was owing to the banks which was eventually written off after PAN AM was liquidated and remaining aircraft sold or disposed of to the deserts. Then CIA got there hands involed and it wasn't until years later the CIA had tried to cover up some mifts in the inquiry until it was made clear that the airlines had CIA informants working for the airline and had trained these libyian terriost and were emploed by PAN AM to carry out this act of savatage on the american goverment but not so much for the airline itself as PAN AM was an easy target and at the end of the road for recovery or never to recover from this fall out. So the question is how did such a large explosive manage to get aboard this aircraft to be continued---
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