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Posted by Fleetwing N538PA
on 6/24/2009, 3:57 pm, in reply to "Re: Kiwi carrier to buy PAN AM name rights"
58.174.64.33
--Previous Message--
: Lorenzo,I don't mean to offend anybody,and not
: one of my previous comments on this board
: has been "disgruntled" so far,in
: fact I have even tried to be a helpfull
: source for some Panamairs out there,because
: not everyone knows where to look for
: interesting stuff on Pan Am,because a lot of
: it is sort of hidden,and I have made it into
: a hobby to dig some of this stuff up...what
: I commented on the "name change",I
: agree,I should have said it differently,but
: to an Air New Zealand customer,it will in
: fact look like a name change,if indeed those
: aircraft are getting painted the way you're
: saying,and that's one reason why I don't
: believe it.I'm not at all calling anyone
: stupid.I can understand that some people
: feel offended by my comment about Pan Am as
: "an airline plagued by bad luck and
: mismanagement",but read the facts.It
: really was like that:buying too many
: 747s,almost on the eve of an oil-crisis,and
: continuing to do so with the SP,and other
: planes,even though they were in financial
: trouble.Then,in 1980,they bought up National
: for a lot of money,whilst a year later,they
: could have gotten their hands on the
: domestic routes for much less....Then came
: Pan Am 103,and in between there were quite a
: few incidents as well,until in 1991 they
: were gone forever....sad,yes,but very
: true.Now you're saying that a fairly healthy
: kiwi carrier,will paint their aircraft like
: Pan Am,and will put the name pan Am on their
: fuselages,Clipper name and all,because they
: bought the naming rights from Boston
: Maine,all the way in the states.A company
: which couldn't keep that name flying
: either,I might add.....I'd love to meet the
: chairman and ask him..... WHY??I just do not
: believe it.That's all..I wonder who else
: does.greetings.
:
:
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: --Previous Message--
:
: Hey Australian journalist...learn to spell
: !!
: --Previous Message--
:
:
: --Previous Message--
: Hello,Lorenzo.If it's a "secret
: deal",then how did you get the
: information?as far as the story you
: told,well,I don't believe a word of it.Why
: would a well known New Zealand carrier,which
: is likely well trusted by a steady stream of
: customers over the years,want to change it's
: name to the name of a carrier,which was
: plagued with bad luck,and
: mismanagement,causing it to go bankrupt many
: years ago??Don't get me wrong,I would love
: to see the Clippers,and blue ball fly the
: skies again,but if your story is true,then
: it's likely bye bye to another big
: airline...furthermore,the name Pan Am,as in
: Pan American,wouldn't really fit an airline
: based in New Zealand,now would
: it??Greetings.
:
: --Previous Message--
: Hello many viewrs it has being announced
: today
: that the Kiwi carrier namely AIR NEW ZEALAND
: is set to buy out the namming rights of the
: PAN AM logo and carry it on all there
: aircraft. Boston Marine airways has made a
: sercret deal with Air NZ to buy the logo
: originally the Queen of the skies most of
: the AIR NZ fleet will have the clipper names
: added to the aircraft. A few panit jobs to
: domestic and international jets will be
: repainted as the original PAN AM livery
: colours of 1990's bearing the name bold
: letters on the aircraft PAN AM NZ OR PAN AM
: New Zealand with the blue ball on the tail.
: Pretty neat. I will keep you up todate with
: more info as it comes to hand. It's not on
: the AIR NZ site just yet it will appear
: soon. Thank you
:
: Lorenzo Spanzio
: Australia Aviation journalist
:
:
:
: "Hi Frank I don't know what cloud your
: on but if you read my comments properley and
: look before you leap. I said Air NZ are
: buying the namming rights of the PAN AM name
: sake "NOT CHANGING THE KIWI CARRIER'S
: NAME AT ALL" It;s up to the airline or
: anyone in this world to buy whatever they
: like. I am also appaulled at the way you
: make your views or opinions on such a great
: historical airline that broke records and
: was the first airliner to travel the globe
: and to add the first to introduce the jet
: age era of the Boeing 707's 747's or maybe i
: can say like other PAN AM employee's who
: read your disgruntlled comments which you
: have offended, that PAN AMERICAN WORLD
: AIRWAYS or PAN AM was around way before you
: were created in this world we all live in.
: Secondly "FRANK" without
: disrespect to all you shouldn't accuse
: people of lying until you can prove that. It
: sounds like to me your one of the few people
: who are known by other messages or a hoax
: person who has visited this site and caused
: the suspension of the board before in a
: different name. We aren't stuiped people
: "Frank". Thirdly when i refer to
: repainting aircraft decals which AIR NZ has
: done in the past with there fleet of
: 747-219's 767'219 jets completely painted
: them white with blue decals of other
: airliners they have leased there aircraft
: to.
:
: PAST HISTORY KIWI TE OR NZ JETS LEASED
:
: ZK-NZY 747-219 REPAINED 1993-1996 AIR
: PACIFIC
: ZK-NZZ 747-219 REPAINTED AIRTOURS LEASED
: ZK-NZV 747-219 REPAINTED WHITE TOWER AIR
: 1998
: ZK-NZX 747-219 REPAINTED ANSETT AUSTRALIA
: 1997
: ZK-NZW 747-219 COKMPLETE WHITE TOWER AIR
: 1996
:
: ZK-NAP 737-219 REPAINTED WHITE ANSETT NZ
: 1992
: ZK-NAR 737-219 REPAINTED QANTAS NZ WHITE
: BLUE KANGAROO ON TAIL 1999
:
: ZK-NBW 744-219 FULL WHITE NORTHWEST LEASED
: 2001
: USED ON HKG/LAX/HKG EX ALL BLACK JET COLOUR
: SCHEME.
:
: ZK-NBS 744-219 LEASED QANTAS NZ 2007 FULL
: WHITE REPAINTED BLUE WORDING.
: "RETIRED"
:
: The list goes on Frank so if AIR NZ will
: repaint some domestic jets to the PAN AM i
: am sure the world and everyone who worked
: for the Queen of the skies knows and would
: be proud that she lives again thanks to a
: well maintaind record serviced airline. I
: wouldn't down PAN AM at least they have
: never had there records broken by other
: airliners to date flying no stop around the
: world in record time with 747-121 or 747sp
: jets or the 707's Thank you "Frank for
: offending this PAN AM site and the people
: who worked for her and built her and those
: wonderful PANAMAIRS out there who have flown
: her and have the memories of her.
:
: Lorenzo
:
:
:
:
:
:Hello Frank Lorenzo. I read your comments all about this namming rights and painting of great Air New Zealand aircraft being repainted. The green and Blue birds of the Pacific have no interest or have tried to get the namming rights of PAN AM put onto there aircraft. I have very good close asscoiates of mine who have worked for Air NZ for the the past 30 years since the days of the DC-8'S DC10-30'S 762'S were around and now long gone. I agree with you Frank but why would the kiwi carrier want to make such a move to repaint there own aircraft. The Clipper names would never be put onto there aircraft only the Moari names would be inserted which they are today. In the early years yes both carriers helped each other out when there were cancalled flights or groundings like the world wide grounding of all DC10 jets after the AA accident in 1979. Pan am chartered three 747-121's to help the kiwi carrier out and also on there PA flights to LAX took on board stranded Air NZ passengers. Air New Zealand prides itself on there achivements awards and service and has no intention of repainting there jets to another carriers name to compete in there own soil or land. Why would they make such an attempt to do that. The only way they would repaint there jets if they were to be leased out to another carrier overseas as a replacement aircraft or for extra flights on short or long term leases. I honestly don't know where you got that info from Lorenzo it not true at all. Have a good one---WS--thanks
Regards
Willie Singh former PAA pilot
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