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Bernadette vs the Empiricists

Posted by afriendwhodesperatelyneedshelp on 3/24/2006, 7:41 am, in reply to "Re: The Doctrine That Few Are Saved."
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I haven't read the Moderator and Joseph reply yet but the following reflections came my mind. I have two very dear academic friends who on the grounds of their staunch Empiricist stands - post Hume - Popper Quine plus contemporary epistemology. Looks like in theirs and many other cases the ageof reason has brought on this issue blindness instead of enlightment. Assuming that I manage in a relatively short time to assimilate the major literature on the topic and get on the ring to snatch them away from their lack of belief in God can I really hope to find the winning arguments? Sometimes I do despair - such a huge amount of material and so much staunchness on their part - and so dear Bernadette's words come to mind. Roughly - don't have them with me now - for those who have faith no explanation is necessary, for those who don't no excplanation is sufficient. God bless and eagerly and desperately looking forward to dipping into the answers I just downloaded.
--Previous Message--
: : My response to the message of March
: 29 2001 is to point out that
: "Denzinger" 1683 and 1792
: states clearly that we are obligated
: to believe more than just defined
: dogma. We are also obligated to
: believe those things that are handed
: down by the Church's ordinary
: teaching authority. Furthermore
: Pope Leo X111 declares in
: "Providentissimus Deus"
: that Scripture must be interpreted
: literally exept when "reason
: makes it untenable or necessity
: requires". Therefore, we must
: believe that Matthew 7:13-14 teaches
: that few are saved. Saint Thomas
: Aquinas pointed out in Part 1,
: Question 23, Article 7, Objection 3,
: and reply to Objection 3, (of
: predestination) in the "Summa
: Theologica" that Matthew
: 7:13-14 teaches that few are saved.
:
:

Message Thread:

The Doctrine That Few Are Saved. - Joseph V. Simon 3/28/2001, 3:22 pm
- Re: The Doctrine That Few Are Saved. - Moderator and James 3/29/2001, 11:06 pm
  - Re: The Doctrine That Few Are Saved. - Joseph V. Simon 7/19/2001, 3:04 pm
    - Bernadette vs the Empiricists - afriendwhodesperatelyneedshelp 3/24/2006, 7:41 am
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--Previous Message-- : I haven't read the Moderator and : Joseph reply yet but the following : reflections came my mind. I have two : very dear academic friends who on : the grounds of their staunch : Empiricist stands - post Hume - : Popper Quine plus contemporary : epistemology. Looks like in theirs : and many other cases the ageof : reason has brought on this issue : blindness instead of enlightment. : Assuming that I manage in a : relatively short time to assimilate : the major literature on the topic : and get on the ring to snatch them : away from their lack of belief in : God can I really hope to find the : winning arguments? Sometimes I do : despair - such a huge amount of : material and so much staunchness on : their part - and so dear : Bernadette's words come to mind. : Roughly - don't have them with me : now - for those who have faith no : explanation is necessary, for those : who don't no excplanation is : sufficient. God bless and eagerly : and desperately looking forward to : dipping into the answers I just : downloaded. : : --Previous Message-- : : My response to the message of : March : 29 2001 is to point out that : "Denzinger" 1683 and 1792 : states clearly that we are obligated : to believe more than just defined : dogma. We are also obligated to : believe those things that are handed : down by the Church's ordinary : teaching authority. Furthermore : Pope Leo X111 declares in : "Providentissimus Deus" : that Scripture must be interpreted : literally exept when "reason : makes it untenable or necessity : requires". Therefore, we must : believe that Matthew 7:13-14 teaches : that few are saved. Saint Thomas : Aquinas pointed out in Part 1, : Question 23, Article 7, Objection 3, : and reply to Objection 3, (of : predestination) in the "Summa : Theologica" that Matthew : 7:13-14 teaches that few are saved. : : : :

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