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    There does seem

    Posted by Farhat on 8/5/2024, 11:45:45

    to be a concerted effort to use this messageboard to undermine 2020 - are Bushwood and their ilk sticking their unwanted noses back in?

    Also lots of strange random politicalish posts - who is behind this, and why?

    Love a conspiracy theory, me.....

      Re: There does seem

      Posted by Doctor Ince on 8/5/2024, 20:22:57, in reply to "There does seem"

      The thing is, if we had this whole stadium scenario but with Ratcliffe in charge Crumpsall et al would be very vocal on here about the constant date changes, delays and general lack of communication. Because 2020 are mates and chums, he/they aren't. Just because they're fans of the club and mates and chums doesn't mean they're above questioning. I know the usual retort is 'i ask directly/through supporters clubs' but not everyone has that option

        Re: There does seem

        Posted by Godders on 8/5/2024, 21:26:36, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

        Are you for real?

        if we had this whole stadium scenario but with Ratcliffe in charge Crumpsall et al would be very vocal on here about the constant date changes, delays and general lack of communication.

        And quite rightly so.

        Because 2020 are mates and chums, he/they aren't. Just because they're fans of the club and mates and chums doesn't mean they're above questioning.

        Who's saying they're above questioning? The point is though that 2020 have worked very hard in actually saving this football club we all love, so not just fans, but custodians as well. They are in a lot of credit to us take for instance the price of PL home tickets; our most expensive adult tickets all season have been £36. For many clubs £36 for an adult tick might get you a fixture against one of the bottom clubs - if you're lucky with many individual adult tickets for most matches costing well in excess of £80, £90, even over £100 in some instances. They are fans and understand us as fans. They care about he club and hardly likely to deliberately wreck it.

          Re: There does seem

          Posted by Yep on 8/5/2024, 23:26:57, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

          Struggling to see the point of your rant in regards of today's discussions to be honest?

          Re: There does seem

          Posted by Doctor Ince on 8/5/2024, 21:54:34, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

          I agree with all of your last part, but we're not talking about ticket prices.

          I don't think they'd do anything to wreck the club and I'm not saying they are, but dissent is shut down as destructive on here, and given the history of this board it's not a healthy thing

            Re: There does seem

            Posted by Godders on 8/5/2024, 23:10:11, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

            My point about ticket prices was purely about looking after the fans and not ripping them off.

            Re: There does seem

            Posted by Number 9 on 8/5/2024, 21:38:37, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

            Your best post yet

          Re: There does seem

          Posted by joey diconio on 8/5/2024, 16:05:54, in reply to "There does seem"

          It does really come back to communication doesn’t it.

          For me it comes across from the club that 90% of the supporters are utterly irrelevant apart from the money they pay up, and even that is less relevant than ever currently.

          There isn’t some conspiracy to shoot Gary from the grassy knoll near enterprise rent a car.

          The majority of people I believe would just like to be kept informed about the goings on with something they invest a lot of time and (for some) a lot of money into.

          Let’s take a small case in point, someone (Gary?) decides the seating in the Main Stand/Enclosure has to be blue, is there any thought to what the supporters who have sat there for years might think?
          Was there any consultation with any supporter groups? LLSC or LTST or whoever happens to be in the Dog & Duck at Brighton?
          Is there any thought to letting the supporter have the seat or buy the seat?

          Thrown in a skip.

          To me it’s quite thoughtless, although I appreciate for others they might not care, but given KR will be gone in the next 5-10 years it would have been nice to have the option. It might be sentimental nonsense but without sentimental nonsense would we have even lasted this long.



            Re: There does seem

            Posted by jimmyp on 8/5/2024, 17:49:09, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

            Indeed and there's absolutely nothing wrong with asking reasonable questions, in a reasonable manner, and there has been some of that.

            There's also been a metric fucktonne of not-at-all-suspicious-new-names spouting borderline libel/slander not just implying but outright stating dishonest intentions.

            Far better it from me to put words in the mouth of the honourable gentleman but that's probably to what Farhat alludes.

            Cheers, Jim

            Re: There does seem

            Posted by Brko's Bicycle on 8/5/2024, 14:33:49, in reply to "There does seem"

            Personally I think it's more just whingers and moaners rather than organised dark forces. The kind of never happy thickos who imagine that building a stadium on a power station site during an economic crisis is akin to putting up a shed in your garden, and can't understand why we didn't buy Dominic Solanke for £70million in January.

              Re: There does seem

              Posted by joey diconio on 8/5/2024, 15:44:05, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

              Why would we buy Solanke when we needed a central defender?

                Re: There does seem

                Posted by Cuba on 8/5/2024, 14:41:15, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                An economic crisis caused by a government that many on here voted for and also voted for the gift that keeps giving, Brexit.

                And don’t point to Covid either, because across Europe we are the worse impacted and that is solely due to Brexit limiting growth and our ability to drive down inflation.

                If you voted Tory you own this and the delays it’s caused.

                  Re: There does seem

                  Posted by jimmyp on 8/5/2024, 17:51:59, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                  Well, yeah.

                  As well as all the divs spouting bollocks about 'how to run a business' like they're experts because they 'run a successful business'*

                  Cheers, Jim

                  *from a Transit with a Gmail address and mobile number on it. 🙄

                You do know this can be fixed

                Posted by Cuba on 8/5/2024, 14:20:03, in reply to "There does seem"

                Firstly I am fully aware of your involvement in the past and what debt we owe you.

                That said this questioning of GS could swiftly end by calling a proper fans forum where everyone can be given a full update of the position and ask questions. Alternatively run a live fans forums and an online Q&A session.

                Instead of snippets of information coming out which is doing nobody any favours.

                Don’t forget the majority of the PL money was put aside for the ground so if we were to go down then fans would be tolerant of that decision on the basis of the ground being under construction.

                A year later, no construction has started and we are told nothing will start until later next year.

                So come the end of season and if we go down if we are then forced to sell players to “fund the ground” it’s understandable that more and more fans will be uneasy.

                The situation in January compounds things, we were doing better than expected, we knew clubs were going to lose points.

                Rather than try harder to strengthen this once in a lifetime opportunity past us by and we ended up weaker.

                So I think it would be a fair question to ask what part the PC situation had in influencing the August and January decisions.

                None of this has anything to do with past ownership battles.

                Gary can shut this down by engaging with ALL fans and not just a few.

                  Re: You do know this can be fixed

                  Posted by Attertap on 8/5/2024, 20:53:10, in reply to "You do know this can be fixed"

                  Well said Cuba!

                    Re: You do know this can be fixed

                    Posted by Herve Baquet on 8/5/2024, 15:21:06, in reply to "You do know this can be fixed"

                    Good grief Cuba.

                    Not signing a couple of championship players who we didn't really want has not messed up a once in a lifetime opportunity.

                    We've seen for ourselves with Hashioka (Not to mention the entire squad at the start of the season) that it takes players time to fit into the Premier League.

                    Just please stop going over and over and over and over this again.

                      Re: You do know this can be fixed

                      Posted by Sandgrounder on 8/5/2024, 15:19:30, in reply to "You do know this can be fixed"

                      Your first 3 paragraphs are fair enough. After that… not so much. 25% of the first year of premier league money has been allocated to Power Court. Another 25% was spent on transfer fees (other associated player trading costs and wages would obviously take the squad investment cost above this). 12% (minimum) was spent on KR. Plus probably another 12% on promotion related bonuses. So that’s at least 75% of the money allocated already.

                      Should we have spent some of the remaining 20-25% on upgrading the squad in January? Possibly. But as we’ve seen with Hashioka, it’s hard for a player to come in mid season from another league and players signed from British clubs command a premium. To bring in high quality, ‘ready now’ cover in central midfield and central defence you’re probably looking at £10-15 million as an absolute minimum. Or spending less and taking a risk on overseas signings or loans. And we still might have gone down, with less money in our pocket and greater ongoing liabilities. Spending doesn’t guarantee survival.

                      I think it’s unlikely we will have to sell players to ‘fund the ground’ if we go down. However it’s very likely that we will sell players who have shown they are up to premier league standard and we won’t stand in their way if we get a good offer (as has always been the case).

                      It’ll be frustrating to have come so close if we do go down. But rather than an opportunity missed, I’d rather look on it as an unexpected and amazing effort from everyone concerned to get so close with the amount we’ve invested and lack of premier league experience, tinged with some regret regarding injuries to absolutely key players. But I’ll be excited about next year too, whatever happens.

                        Re: You do know this can be fixed

                        Posted by Swiss Tony on 8/5/2024, 19:04:43, in reply to "Re: You do know this can be fixed"

                        That’s way too sensible for The Cubans to understand, and believe mate. Well thought out post indeed, thanks.

                        Cheers

                        Swiss

                        Re: You do know this can be fixed

                        Posted by ELH on 8/5/2024, 14:43:14, in reply to "You do know this can be fixed"

                        Don’t forget the majority of the PL money was put aside for the ground so if we were to go down then fans would be tolerant of that decision on the basis of the ground being under construction
                        It wasn't. GS indicated it would be around 25m, so only around 25% or so.


                        So I think it would be a fair question to ask what part the PC situation had in influencing the August and January decisions.
                        PC and Kenilworth Road will affect every decision that is made. Not only is there a new stadium to find, but whilst we are at KR we have a lack of income streams and that needs to be supported. We cannot take too great a risk on the future by spending much that we can't sustain a reasonable financial position in the Championship. You might think that a relatively modest investment could keep us up and the rewards would be greater than the outlay. However that carries the risk of us going down anyway in a worse financial position. GS and the board will have to balance up those risks and rewards (ignoring entirely the normal difficulties of football trading). Not easy and there's no way of knowing what were the right or wrong calls. Evidence over the years suggests they get far more right than wrong.

                          Re: You do know this can be fixed

                          Posted by The Butcher of Le Clay on 8/5/2024, 14:40:51, in reply to "You do know this can be fixed"

                          Transparency is lacking which is a shame , love 2020 and will forever appreciate all they have done and are doing but it would be helpful to keep all fans updated with progress (or lack of) rather than a select few.

                          Re: There does seem

                          Posted by North Beds Hatter on 8/5/2024, 14:11:05, in reply to "There does seem"

                          When we were heading for non-league, needing investment, not selling out the ground etc, you can say that 'dark forces' trying to destabilise the club via a messageboard might be a thing. If a Premier League club can't handle a few shit-stirrers then that is pretty weak. It is annoying when any criticism of the snail-like pace of the new stadium is either responded to with accusations of ingratitude or suggestions of an anti-2020 conspiracy. I think most fans love what 2020 have achieved but do not understand the endless delays especially when we were specifically told that all these problems would be solved in one fell swoop if we managed to get promoted.

                            Re: There does seem

                            Posted by hatters1988 on 8/5/2024, 14:55:37, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                            That's a bit of twaddle, I don't have an engineering degree or any understanding with the building trade but I can see exactly why things have taken so long and there have been endless delays, all the money in the world doesn't make the problems disappear, it just makes them more financially manageable.

                            Re: There does seem

                            Posted by Toddingtonsteve on 8/5/2024, 12:34:12, in reply to "There does seem"

                            Criticising 2020 when they have overseen a rapid and extraordinary rise from non league to Premier League, and when you can actually see 40 weeks worth of physical enabling work underway at PC (if you can be bothered to get off your arse to look) seems the definition of madness.

                              Re: There does seem

                              Posted by Yep on 8/5/2024, 12:23:07, in reply to "There does seem"

                              Or it could and more likely is, just genuine supporters asking genuine questions about PC.
                              There is, of course, a bloke at the club that has had every possibility to explain to the fans in depth what is going on. Instead he seems happy to just throw a few soundbites and breadcrumbs of information at us all. No one is ever above question, all the experiences 2020 went through to get the club, they know that more than most.

                                Re: There does seem

                                Posted by Notorious D on 8/5/2024, 12:41:14, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                I think a big part of the defensiveness and subsequent lack of credibility to posters that consistently question 2020, is that the aforementioned posters use a variety of different aliases to post negative rhetoric towards the club.

                                Perhaps (a novel idea I know) would be to use a regular posting name, so that you’re not perceived (rightly) like a shit stirring troll.

                                  Re: There does seem

                                  Posted by Ches Fordroad on 8/5/2024, 13:57:54, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                  +1

                                    Re: There does seem

                                    Posted by sloopy on 8/5/2024, 13:37:30, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                    Using a name like Yep for instance?

                                      Re: There does seem

                                      Posted by Yep on 8/5/2024, 12:49:46, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                      2 sides to that coin. Surely the personal abuse given to NaG, J in C and bbb shows that a regular posting name has it's Downside.
                                      Also, this board was set up on the basis of staying anonymous so people could freely ask questions about the club owners without fear of personal attacks. Not that for 1 second I'm comparing 2020 to previous owners!!

                                        Re: There does seem

                                        Posted by Notorious D on 8/5/2024, 13:14:05, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                        I don’t really buy that argument.

                                        NAG to be fair to her, continues to post under her usual name, despite being impersonated by a weird, low life troll (almost certainly ‘Ron’ ‘Mike’ ‘Dave’ etc). Most of it seems pathetic and childish; I’m sure she doesn’t let it affect her too much.

                                        bbb hasn’t posted in months from what I’ve seen, due to being harassed by a deeply mentally unhinged freak of nature ‘mmmm’.

                                        J in C is a poor example, because he posts under regular aliases, and quite frankly is an attention seeker of the highest order.

                                        My point being that most people on this board aren’t targeted by personal and repeated attacks (unlike bbb), therefore the perspective that people want to constantly change up posting names because of this, doesn’t hold much weight in my view. I think it’s another excuse to shit stir.

                                        With the history of Bushwood and Nick Keable from Capital and Regional, not to mention Cliff Bassets spin doctor, I believe it’s very understandable that motives of multi name posters is scrutinised.

                                        For example, Cuba makes some valid points on occasion, but instantly loses credibility with his weekly name changes. Perhaps he would be taken more seriously if he stood by his convictions, and maintained his posting name. He also repeats the same negative rhetoric only after defeats (albeit we’ve had a lot this season).

                                        Then you have that weird virgin Geoff, pretending to be a Watford fan under various aliases, and you can see why multi name posters are viewed suspiciously.

                                          Re: There does seem

                                          Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/5/2024, 16:18:46, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                          Thank you.

                                          All very good points.

                                          (Well, I would say that, wouldn't I? )

                                            Re: There does seem

                                            Posted by Brian Izzard on 8/5/2024, 15:11:56, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                            Anyone who thinks bbb is anything other than a complete bellend is the unhinged one. Just sayin'.

                                              Re: There does seem

                                              Posted by Oooo yeah on 8/5/2024, 15:42:14, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                              What did he say when you said it to his face mmmm?

                                                Re: There does seem

                                                Posted by Nn4 hatter on 8/5/2024, 19:15:48, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                Why would he...stuck behind his keyboard, looking at weird porn, whilst entertaining his uncle

                                                  Re: There does seem

                                                  Posted by Very true on 8/5/2024, 23:37:28, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                  Rumour has it, the lad mmmm isn't allowed near his kids anymore. Something to do with him being caught fingering his daughter in the bath.
                                                  Don't shoot the messenger.

                                              Re: There does seem

                                              Posted by Yep on 8/5/2024, 13:24:45, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                              You make some good points, I see where you're coming from but I wouldn't tar everyone under new names with the same brush. A new name certainly doesn't mean you have some kind of agenda, obviously some, perhaps quite a few, do but not all. History tells us to 'keep em peeled' though I suppose.
                                              For what it is worth I think there's been alot of good posts on here today from various people and very little trolling. Which makes a refreshing change!!

                                                Re: There does seem

                                                Posted by Notorious D on 8/5/2024, 13:40:52, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                I take your point about not tarring everyone with the same brush, but taking into consideration the history of this board, and some of the vultures around the club, you can’t help but have your guard up.

                                          Re: There does seem

                                          Posted by Music Critic on 8/5/2024, 12:37:30, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                          Or it could...(be) just genuine supporters asking genuine questions about PC

                                          Or it could be both of those things. It could be one stirring up the other without the other's knowledge

                                          Nothing wrong with being vigilant

                                          Some seem to be suggesting that it's ok to ask the club questions (and it is), whilst also being keen to downplay other questions on whether there might be other influences at play too. Which could be interpreted as a little suspicious in itself

                                            Re: There does seem

                                            Posted by Unbelievable on 8/5/2024, 12:37:15, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                            Jeff.

                                            From the left to the right, no middle ground.


                                            Hopefully, common sense will prevail but doubt it.

                                            Re: There does seem

                                            Posted by Ok on 8/5/2024, 11:58:33, in reply to "There does seem"

                                            Yes 🙌

                                            Asking questions about the delays after delays is somehow anti 2020.

                                            A lot on here have listened to bollox for over 50 years about moving from Kenilworth road.

                                            Can you not understand that?

                                              Re: There does seem

                                              Posted by Music Critic on 8/5/2024, 12:09:57, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                              I think Farhat is more than justified in asking his own questions bearing in mind the history of this football club

                                                Re: There does seem

                                                Posted by crumpsall on 8/5/2024, 12:21:40, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                A history with which, somewhat puzzlingly, some of these 'lifelong supporters' seem to be unaware of

                                                Re: There does seem

                                                Posted by crumpsall on 8/5/2024, 12:08:03, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                But when the club communicate its called'spin and lies' by the usual idiots.

                                                Do you not trust 2020?
                                                Do you not believe Power Court is going ahead?
                                                And if it isn't why are they doing so much work there?

                                                Simple questions
                                                Let's hear your answers, please

                                                  Re: There does seem

                                                  Posted by Hard man on 8/5/2024, 16:41:38, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                  U got a big nose, always sticking it in.
                                                  More like a brown nose

                                                    Re: There does seem

                                                    Posted by Doctor Ince on 8/5/2024, 12:50:00, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                    that spin and lies comment has irked you hasn't it

                                                    But to answer

                                                    Yes I do
                                                    Yes, but I don't think we'll be playing there while the date starts 202*


                                                    I'm not trying to undermine the club but they're not helping themselves ATM over this. Perhaps the Fulham programme will change everything

                                                      Re: There does seem

                                                      Posted by Earls on 8/5/2024, 13:13:14, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                      £500 says we’ll be playing there this decade.

                                                      Re: There does seem

                                                      Posted by Ok on 8/5/2024, 12:20:31, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                      I never questioned anyone.

                                                      My gripe with him is his 1-2 million pay packet last year and I’d like him to justify it in a poverty stricken town.

                                                      Me inc gave up my season ticket money during Covid to help the club out.

                                                      I feel pretty silly now.

                                                      That’s my only gripe.

                                                        Re: There does seem

                                                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/5/2024, 14:36:47, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                        Many people, including me, gave up their season ticket refund to help the club. You’re the only one I’ve seen griping about GS’s pay, whatever it might be.

                                                          Re: There does seem

                                                          Posted by Ok on 8/5/2024, 16:32:22, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                          That’s your prerogative.

                                                          I doubt very much I’m the only one either

                                                          Had I know if the good times roll he would award himself that I would have asked for a refund.

                                                          Why is that point of view controversial on here?

                                                          It’s bizarre.

                                                            Re: There does seem

                                                            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/5/2024, 16:35:44, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                            What do you mean "award himself?"

                                                            Who says he does that?

                                                            You sound very childish, and jealous.

                                                              Re: There does seem

                                                              Posted by Ok on 8/5/2024, 16:37:08, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                              FFS 🤦

                                                              Grow up.

                                                                Re: There does seem

                                                                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/5/2024, 16:55:26, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                                You're the one that needs to grow up.

                                                                "Waaaagggghhh, I don't know how much the CEO of a football club gets paid, so I'm going to pick a figure from my two brain cells"

                                                              Re: There does seem

                                                              Posted by The Outsider on 8/5/2024, 16:33:56, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                              Had I know if the good times roll he would award himself that

                                                              He doesn't set his own salary or bonuses.

                                                                Re: There does seem

                                                                Posted by Ok on 8/5/2024, 16:39:01, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                                I’m sure he had no part and was shocked by the figure.

                                                                He could have said “NO that’s not right” but I guess he had no choice in the matter.

                                                                  Re: There does seem

                                                                  Posted by The Outsider on 8/5/2024, 16:44:50, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                                  I didn't say that he couldn't turn it down but would you really have expected him to?

                                                                    Re: There does seem

                                                                    Posted by Ok on 8/5/2024, 16:49:31, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                                    Probably not in this day and age where morals don’t exist.

                                                                    My point is if I got another email in the same situation saying how tough things I’d delete it.

                                                                    That’s all.

                                                            Re: There does seem

                                                            Posted by HH on 8/5/2024, 12:34:32, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                            My gripe with him is his 1-2 million pay packet last year and I’d like him to justify it in a poverty stricken town

                                                            He's been the MD of a company which saw it's turnover go from around £5m in 2010 to £125m - a 2500% increase! The idea he wouldn't be financially rewarded for that in any way is a bit weird.

                                                            Do you give out about how much money the MD of easyJet makes depite Luton being a poverty stricken town?

                                                              Re: There does seem

                                                              Posted by Ok on 8/5/2024, 12:44:47, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                              Easy jet did not ask me to help out during Covid.

                                                              Look I’m not going to argue about it but that’s how I feel.

                                                              2020 have done an incredible job since the dark days of non league.

                                                              I’ve no agenda.

                                                                Re: There does seem

                                                                Posted by HH on 8/5/2024, 12:47:32, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                                Fair enough.

                                                                But easyjet took well over a billion in bailout loans from the government during COVID! So you sort of did help out

                                                                  Re: There does seem

                                                                  Posted by Ok on 8/5/2024, 12:48:13, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                                  Now I feel worse.

                                                            Re: There does seem

                                                            Posted by crumpsall on 8/5/2024, 12:26:25, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                            Well, he didn't award himself that money, the board did.

                                                            And maybe you're not aware that he was basically paid bugger all during the early days so maybe getting to the premier league, rebuilding the Bobbers in 13 weeks etc, deserves a bonus?

                                                            Most of made financial sacrifices to benefit the club during covid, and those who couldn't afford to certainly haven't had a word of criticism apart from a few knobheads. Not sure what the relevance of that is unless you're just looking for something to beat GS up about?

                                                              Re: There does seem

                                                              Posted by Bugger all? on 8/5/2024, 13:22:39, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                              Are you sure about that?

                                                              Re: There does seem

                                                              Posted by Bard in Cumbria on 8/5/2024, 12:24:14, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                              What's wages got to do with you.

                                                            Re: There does seem

                                                            Posted by pingu on 8/5/2024, 12:00:59, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                            what do you want to know?

                                                              Re: There does seem

                                                              Posted by Ok on 8/5/2024, 12:04:28, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                              I could not care less whether we move or not.

                                                              I don’t want to know anything.

                                                              My point was clear above or so I thought. Some do care and are asking questions.

                                                                Re: There does seem

                                                                Posted by crumpsall on 8/5/2024, 12:13:29, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                                Buy the Fulham programme if you really are interested and read the GS interview. And the first part which was in the Everton programme

                                                                  Re: There does seem

                                                                  Posted by Yep on 8/5/2024, 12:28:52, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                                  Are the Everton programme notes available on line yet do you know?

                                                                  Re: There does seem

                                                                  Posted by pingu on 8/5/2024, 12:07:48, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                                  stop bleeting on then, youre happy as larry. if you want to help your fellow supporters then be a committee member of llsc or ltst. that way you can make a real impact instead of barrack room lawyering on luton outlaws.

                                                                  🧡

                                                                    Re: There does seem

                                                                    Posted by Ok on 8/5/2024, 12:17:01, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                                    👌 wonderful.

                                                                Re: There does seem

                                                                Posted by Thatcham on 8/5/2024, 12:00:34, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                                Xcellent we’re staying at Kenilworth Road a bit longer. Visited plenty of new soulless arenas on awaydays this season

                                                                  Re: There does seem

                                                                  Posted by Music Critic on 8/5/2024, 12:02:45, in reply to "Re: There does seem"

                                                                  Power Court, hopefully, won't be soulless

                                                                Re: There does seem

                                                                Posted by Music Critic on 8/5/2024, 11:53:47, in reply to "There does seem"

                                                                Love a conspiracy theory, me.....

                                                                The 2007-08 one that set out to destroy LTFC was a doozy

                                                                  Re: There does seem

                                                                  Posted by pingu on 8/5/2024, 11:51:59, in reply to "There does seem"

                                                                  that two years locked away has really impacted some folk. they came out into the real world as total lunatics.

                                                                    Re: There does seem

                                                                    Posted by Big Tone on 8/5/2024, 11:51:41, in reply to "There does seem"

                                                                    Mossad.

                                                                      Re: There does seem

                                                                      Posted by EastEnder on 8/5/2024, 11:50:02, in reply to "There does seem"

                                                                      Probably, but also everyone just wants to know when PC is likely to be ready.

                                                                      Problem is, there is no definite answer. And if 2020 give a target date, it will be used against them in future if it's delayed.





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