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Power Court
Posted by Roo on 8/5/2024, 9:06:14
Like everyone i was a bit disapointed with the PC update last night but i think we need some perspective.
Have a look at Everton. A club which generates significantly more income than us (and has for decades) and has a significantly wealthier owner. They are building a new stadium and the cost of it is almost putting them out of business.
Evidence, as if we needed any, that getting a new stadium built at the moment is difficult, and extremely risky. And we all know that the one thing 2020 will never do is put the club at risk.
Yes its taking a while, yes its frustrating but it will happen, and most importantly the club will be stronger as a result.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Tel on 8/5/2024, 12:00:04, in reply to "Power Court"
That and all the dodgy Russian money drying up.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Desperate Dan on 8/5/2024, 11:34:10, in reply to "Power Court"
If the railway and the UKPN hadn't been arguing for two years about where the new sub station could go the club may have well been further down the road. The club had to bring the two dickheads together and try and get them to start agreeing on what should be done. From what I can see at PC there is a hell of a lot of activity going on and from that drone video the other day it looked like the sub station had been moved. As for J10, it has nothing to do with the club now. Money has been paid to the club that is where the relationship ends apart from maybe a slight oversight. I fully expect full planning to go in around the summer and it to be granted by the planning dept at the Council then the club can crack on. Everyone just needs to calm down a bit.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Strider on 8/5/2024, 13:05:24, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
The sub station has not been moved yet (and you will see it when it is in the corner of the site nearest to the Crawley Green Road frontage, the old Pondswick Road entrance and the busway) but work is now progressing on this matter, as witnessed by the clearance of this and other parts of PC and the closure of the busway.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Desperate Dan on 8/5/2024, 13:18:48, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Okie dokie
Re: Power Court
Posted by Oak Roader on 8/5/2024, 9:26:14, in reply to "Power Court"
Wasn’t Newlands supposed to be paying for the majority of PC? Plus we now have some premiership money to put towards it aswell.
It smells a bit fishy to me. The sub station has always been there so im not sure why it wasn’t addressed at the start instead of sounding surprised by its presence now. Spades were supposed to go in the ground January 2024 but now won’t be until June 2025. The can is being kicked down the road it seems. Why?
Oh well. At least we’ve now got some shit safe standing and a light show to keep the happy clappers happy.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Roo on 8/5/2024, 9:52:24, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Yes - the original plan was for a leisure development at Newlands to pay for PC. The COVID happened and the leisure market disappeared, so we sold the land for warehosing. We can assume that the amount of money generated by Newlands was a lot less than originally planned, hence a delay.
Some PL money helps for sure.
Re the sub station no one is surprised about it, but moving it is complex (it probably powers the entire town centre) and to a large extent outside LTFC's control.
UK Power Networks are engaged to move it. I doubt its the biggest thing UKPN are working on, and i doubt even more that they care about the timeline for our new stadium. Alas we are in their hands somewhat.
Re: Power Court
Posted by HH on 8/5/2024, 9:59:20, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Oxford's new ground is supposedly costing £150m for 17k
We got £50m for Newlands, PL money worth at least £150 (obviously minus a large chunk to cover playing costs)
Hopefully our stadium is better than Oxford's and with all the complications, is ours going to end up costing upwards of £200m? Is there a funding shortfall?
I dunno even if this speculation is helpful.
Re: Power Court
Posted by EastEnder on 8/5/2024, 11:37:23, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Was it £50m. Thought it was more.
Re: Power Court
Posted by ELH on 8/5/2024, 13:01:48, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
£51m profit on the sale of Newlands. But that's driven a £8m tax charge as well, so net cash inflow was lower.
GS had said that £25m of the first year PL money would be ringfenced for PC. The 100m figure for the build is well out of date and it must be much more now since we're going to start with a larger capacity and all the inflation. Speculation probably isn't helpful, but I'll do it anyway and guess that 150m seems plausible or low. To have something like 65m-70m from the Newlands sale and the PL feels decent out of the total cost of PC, but clearly more is required.
If I can be critical, it would be that it would be good to have a thorough update by now including timelines and cost estimates, being open about where they are more uncertain and dependent on others etc. Perhaps it's coming and last night was a teaser of that, but it feels overdue. I can also appreciate the club won't want to overcommit and leave itself open to more criticism when things don't go exactly as they said or people imagine that they said.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Sandgrounder on 8/5/2024, 12:53:32, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Yep, was £50m in the most recent accounts
Re: Power Court
Posted by Ches Fordroad on 8/5/2024, 9:56:19, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
I think that last paragraph nails it - we all want this moving on ASAP but I very much doubt it's a major priority for UKPN.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Doctor Ince on 8/5/2024, 9:59:48, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Yes, but why would 2020 agree to pay for the new substation without a guarantee on timelines?
Re: Power Court
Posted by MG on 8/5/2024, 10:05:17, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
I doubt UKPN would give any kind of "guarantee" unless they had built significant contingency into it making it likely inaccurate.
Construction projects at the moment, and in fact in general, are not exactly renowned for meeting schedules.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Doctor Ince on 8/5/2024, 10:08:19, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
I do not believe for a second that we said we'd build it over an indefinite timeframe and that UK Power could then move to it whenever they feel like
Re: Power Court
Posted by MG on 8/5/2024, 10:11:02, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Lol, how did you get from "I doubt UKPN would give any kind of "guarantee" unless they had built significant contingency into it making it likely inaccurate. " to that?
Re: Power Court
Posted by Doctor Ince on 8/5/2024, 10:12:52, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
I am exaggerating, which I thought was obvious, but there would have been discussions around timelines
Re: Power Court
Posted by crumpsall on 8/5/2024, 10:23:47, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Your 'technique' of exaggeration - you do it all the time - is tantamount to claiming utter bullshit as fact.
UKPN have been 'difficult' but going public with that would have been a ludicrous way of trying to resolve issues.
Just how so many people (many, the loudest I suspect, weren't there last night) have distorted a positive update into disappointment and finger pointing is beyond me.
Maybe that's why the club don't communicate too much - because utter fuckwits will go full on attack whatever they say.
Do those people actually have any grown up understanding of how business, development and the real world work? And/or any appreciation of what 2020 are achieving?
Re: Power Court
Posted by Doctor Ince on 8/5/2024, 10:26:53, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
And the issue with the 'update' last night is without the context of how it was said and delivered last night it is a poor update.
GS would've known it would be shared around, so overall poor pr for a project that is dragging on and losing goodwill
Re: Power Court
Posted by Doctor Ince on 8/5/2024, 10:24:59, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Tbh I'm waiting to see what part 2 of the interview says, but I suspect it will be more spin and lies.
Re: Power Court
Posted by crumpsall on 8/5/2024, 10:30:00, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Spin and lies?
Seriously, fuck off.
That's done it for any smidgen of lingering respect I may have had for you.
Go stick your conspiracy theories and nasty snidiness up the arse you talk out of.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Mike on 8/5/2024, 10:34:29, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
You made some good points last night crumps,especially the weasle one.
Re: Power Court
Posted by crumpsall on 8/5/2024, 10:37:38, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
You mean you posted as me while I was at or returning from the event you sad piece of shit Ron/Mike etc?
What do you actually get from spending 24/7 trolling on here rather than living a decent life?
Re: Power Court
Posted by MG on 8/5/2024, 10:39:57, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
You know when people tell me Outlaws is now pointless etc I do reflect on the fact that it helps to keep him away from the public.
I think we are doing the world a service that really ought to be recognised!
Re: Power Court
Posted by Doctor Ince on 8/5/2024, 10:32:32, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
You are nothing if not predictable.
Deliberately worded to pull your chain old chum.
But, see HHs post below for the constant shifting of dates. Perhaps not lies at the time but certainly ended up being not true
Re: Power Court
Posted by EastEnder on 8/5/2024, 11:24:00, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
That's how business works, you aim for a date, and then something delays it.
They've only ever stated 'target dates' from what I can recall. Never promised we would be in PC by a certain date.
Re: Power Court
Posted by crumpsall on 8/5/2024, 10:39:50, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Really?
Read that back to yourself and cringe.
You don't deserve any better response than my previous one.
Haven't you got better things to do than the shit you come out with? Work? Family? Kids? Making a positive contribution?
Re: Power Court
Posted by Doctor Ince on 8/5/2024, 10:46:14, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Stuck on an incredibly boring call with an Indian based company that is likely to go on until midday. Hence the time dicking about on here.
Re: Power Court
Posted by crumpsall on 8/5/2024, 10:49:50, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
So you spend that time being destructive and stupid on here? Not a great look, that - unpleasant and unintelligent never is.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Doctor Ince on 8/5/2024, 11:05:24, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Well I suppose you have plenty of experience of the last part
Not sure if pointing out that every update we've had has ended up being false, and that we're 6 years in since initial planning was approved is destructive - certainly questions would be asked in every business I've ever worked in.
Power Court
Posted by crumpsall on 8/5/2024, 11:14:28, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
False?
You're doing it again. That's a complete lie. So either deliberate or you've failed to understand the comms. I suspect, given your previous, the latter.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Doctor Ince on 8/5/2024, 11:20:59, in reply to "Power Court"
Perhaps false isn't the word. HH said it better in one of the many messages below
Re: Power Court
Posted by MG on 8/5/2024, 10:38:28, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Ignoring the first part of that, simply because you must know how it looks, you don't need telling.
I'll agree communication has left something to be desired at times.
But it's almost impossible to get it perfect. You've summed it up yourself, "ended up being not true". In my career I've lost count of the times when that's happened to me. You can give updates in good faith and then get accused by people like yourself of "lies or spin".
I get it, we live in a dishonest world where even our Prime and Cabinet Ministers lie almost by default, but it's just as bad to tar everyone with that same brush as it is to blindly believe everything you are told. Possibly worse.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Doctor Ince on 8/5/2024, 10:44:57, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Yes I get that, we've all given updates in good faith and then unforeseen factors have come in that have caused delays. I've never made the mistake of doing it a second time and then resorting to communicating via reluctant tidbits
Re: Power Court
Posted by MG on 8/5/2024, 10:59:30, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
So what have you done?
Re: Power Court
Posted by Doctor Ince on 8/5/2024, 11:06:09, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Open clear and honest communication.
Admittedly it's not been too thousands of people which I appreciate is a bit different
Re: Power Court
Posted by MG on 8/5/2024, 11:43:56, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
If you engaged in honest and open communication you've been lucky not to have fallen into the trap a second time.
Re: Power Court
Posted by MG on 8/5/2024, 10:20:23, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Of course there would, and agreements over what stages we would pay what amounts of the money in case of delays.
There may even be a performance clause stating it has to be done by a certain date but that would still not confirm accurately when the thing would be finished, only a last "Likely" date.
I'm not going to pretend any expertise in construction but a site like Power Court, a complex project moving high voltage connections and multiple agencies, roadworks (with all they imply for scheduling) and so on with potential outages and various stages of inspections etc is not going to involve a simple plan is it?
UKPN are the experts which helps but it isn't going to be easy and I doubt they would commit much beyond something like "commercially reasonable efforts" to hit any deadline.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Doctor Ince on 8/5/2024, 10:24:06, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Yeah I don't think there would be a concrete deadline, I imagine there is a pencilled in date, but the contracts would have caveats as you say.
But there will be a timeline that all parties are working towards.
As much as I dislike project managers, who is it on this? Surely it can't be GS or MM
Re: Power Court
Posted by HH on 8/5/2024, 10:23:35, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
It is a hard one. What exactly is the jeopardy for UKPN?
They don't want it moved. So we can't exactly turn around and threaten not to pay for it as they don't give a hoot if the substation stays their indefinitely or not!?
Re: Power Court
Posted by The Outsider on 8/5/2024, 10:03:57, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
What was the alternative to agreeing to pay for it?
Re: Power Court
Posted by Doctor Ince on 8/5/2024, 10:07:01, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
I'm not arguing about us paying for it, I think that's fair.
But Ches and Garstang are saying that the club can't have timelines because we're waiting on UK Power. I don't think 2020 are incompetent, so surely we'd have agreed timelines with UK Power as a condition of paying for it
Re: Power Court
Posted by Garstang Hatter on 8/5/2024, 11:02:12, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
To be clear, that is only my assumption - I don't know any more about this than anyone else (and probably significantly less than some well-respected posters on here). And as has been mentioned elsewhere, that may just be a lack of a definite date - not a lack of a broad agreement.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Ches Fordroad on 8/5/2024, 10:41:21, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
"But Ches and Garstang are saying that the club can't have timelines because we're waiting on UK Power"
Where have I said that?
Re: Power Court
Posted by HH on 8/5/2024, 10:16:57, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
The last whinge I want to say about all of this, is it also didn't just happen overnight.
They would have know about the power station since they identified the site.
If detailed planning was contingent on the site being cleared, why didn't they say as much over the last few years rather than suggesting it was imminent?
It's different if the message had been about their reluctance to submit plans without seeing concrete progress from UKPN.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Doctor Ince on 8/5/2024, 10:19:10, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Yeah this is the thing. Id have thought this would've been sorted back in 2018
Re: Power Court
Posted by Yep on 8/5/2024, 10:15:45, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Time lines are need so that finances can be worked on. I really don't believe there are no timelines in place both both the power station moving and the actual build itself. If that is genuinely the case, I would suggest that someone with alot more experience than Gary steps in and takes over!!
Re: Power Court
Posted by Cuba on 8/5/2024, 9:33:22, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
This whole situation is creating a new and unnecessary divide between fans.
Those who are challenging the narrative and the continual shifting in position.
Versus those who defend GS regardless.
I don’t see why those who ask perfectly reasonable questions are closed down, banned, insulted or called the “enemy within”.
Why can’t the club or GS provide a full update that everyone can consume and have a constructive debate on.
Why does the clique think they know more when in reality they don’t have a clue when it comes to PC.
Re: Power Court
Posted by crumpsall on 8/5/2024, 10:27:11, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
You have never answered my challenge as to whether you have engaged with - or even attempted to engage with - the club or supporters' groups about the issues you post endlessly on here about.
So I'll ask you again; have you, and if not why not?
My conclusion so far is that you're just a slightly more lucid troll than the other constant critics
Re: Power Court
Posted by JJ on 8/5/2024, 9:42:20, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Plus 1
Re: Power Court
Posted by MG on 8/5/2024, 9:39:13, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
I'd suggest it's actually those who understand that in today's economic and social climate shifting positions are pretty much the norm.
Versus those who criticise regardless.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Yep on 8/5/2024, 9:51:55, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
It really isn't. Just because some are asking questions regards PC doesn't mean they criticise regardless. That's a ridiculous statement.
Re: Power Court
Posted by MG on 8/5/2024, 10:03:04, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Sigh.
It was meant to highlight how stupid Cuba's initial statement was suggesting something very similar about anyone who disagreed with him about it.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Hard man on 8/5/2024, 9:34:51, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Very true
Re: Power Court
Posted by Cuba on 8/5/2024, 9:42:04, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Thank you.
A fans forum that most can attend and be able to ask a few questions like we did in the past. I am sure Gary himself was at the Vauxhall factory meeting.
It’s all too hygienic and controlled now and that isn’t the Luton way.
Re: Power Court
Posted by joey diconio on 8/5/2024, 9:47:33, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
In this age of ongoing openness and transparency you just have to be at the right pun at the right time at the right away game to get some form of communication.
Using the club website or social media channels to keep supporters informed will never catch on.
For the few not the many
Re: Power Court
Posted by joey diconio on 8/5/2024, 9:48:23, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
*pub ffs !
Re: Power Court
Posted by MG on 8/5/2024, 9:31:51, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Newlands was a large part of the funding, however you have to assume that the proportion of the massively increased costs that it covers was significantly diminished over recent years. Hence a new plan was needed for a slightly pared back version of the stadium. Now with the recently confirmed Premier League funding plans are changing again is how I understand it.
As for the substation, that in itself is a multi million pound project that has apparently been going through its own planning issues for a while.
Tens of millions have already been committed to the project. It's happening, just not as fast as anyone would like.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Oak Roader on 8/5/2024, 9:46:24, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
GS Upsetting most people in the planning department by being rude and obnoxious continually, probably isn’t helping the process then.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Strider on 8/5/2024, 10:10:56, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Even if you have “inside information” until any new planning application is submitted how does this affect the process ? The sub station is now being moved and we await the hybrid application (presumably detailed for the stadium and outline for the rest of the site). Until that application is submitted, with the Traffic Impact Assessment and Contamination report required by the Environment Agency accompanying it, the whole debate is conjecture.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Ches Fordroad on 8/5/2024, 9:48:21, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Go on then, do expand on this
Re: Power Court
Posted by Oak Roader on 8/5/2024, 10:05:37, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Right on cue up you pop!!!
Expand on it? I think it’s pretty self explanatory. They are on a go slow with anything LTFC and GS related because of his attitude towards them.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Ches Fordroad on 8/5/2024, 10:41:49, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Oh that's settled everything then
Re: Power Court
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/5/2024, 10:16:17, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Any proof of that assertion?
Re: Power Court
Posted by Oak Roader on 8/5/2024, 10:20:13, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Yes thanks. I’m not naming names on here though.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/5/2024, 10:28:05, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
I'll take that as a "no" then.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Oak Roader. on 8/5/2024, 11:07:49, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
You do that my love. When we’re back here this Time next year with next to nothing happening at power court we can carry on the chat.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/5/2024, 11:16:19, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
I'm not "your love", you patronising twit.
Re: Power Court
Posted by MG on 8/5/2024, 10:14:37, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
And you know this how . . .
Re: Power Court
Posted by Oak Roader on 8/5/2024, 10:20:56, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
I happen to work closely with someone in the planning dept.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Ches Fordroad on 8/5/2024, 10:43:51, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Are you the same person that used to post on here who knew someone who worked in the planning department and assured everyone that planning permission would never be granted?
No need to bother answering, by the way.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Oak Roader on 8/5/2024, 11:06:31, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Sorry to disappoint you but no I’m not actually.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Ches Fordroad on 8/5/2024, 11:12:22, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Well fuck me, imagine my surprise
Re: Power Court
Posted by MG on 8/5/2024, 10:32:41, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Of course you do.
Re: Power Court
Posted by MG on 8/5/2024, 9:50:13, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Hang on, I'm just going to make some popcorn . . .
Re: Power Court
Posted by Hard man on 8/5/2024, 9:27:33, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Happy clappers or happy to stay at Kenilworth?
Re: Power Court
Posted by HH on 8/5/2024, 9:22:00, in reply to "Power Court"
I'm going to sound like Cuba here, but I don't buy that.
Sweet did say the stadium was largely funded by Newlands. So with the PL money on top, I don't see financially how it really threatens our existence?
Feb 2022 Sweet said the stadium would deliver detailed plans in the next few months.
March 2023 he said they were completed.
This Feb he said "further details on a redesigned stadium itself will become evident as detailed planning draws nearer."
I get we might need to be tweaking things if we've now more money in the bank than expected, but are we extensively redesigning the entire thing now?
We don't need to wait for the ground to be cleared of the substation before detailed plans are submitted.
I get it's incredibly complex but the the messaging just feels very inconsistent.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Doctor Ince on 8/5/2024, 9:32:42, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
+1
Solid post
Re: Power Court
Posted by Help on 8/5/2024, 9:15:34, in reply to "Power Court"
Moshuri was a Russian stooge for Usmanov. Funny how all funds were stopped days after the Ukraine invasion. Banks are very cautious on new builds , especially sporting and housing together builds. They've been stuffed plenty of times with half build unsaleable property worth 10% of the loans. Things change regularly, the BoE are threatening to lower interest rates, which might make loans easier to afford , but will make imported good costlier. 2020 are trying to do the build correctly, the councils terms insisted that the stadium is built first , which adds to the complexity.
Re: Power Court
Posted by HH on 8/5/2024, 9:23:09, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
2020 are trying to do the build correctly, the councils terms insisted that the stadium is built first
Where have the council insisted that was the case? I don't see why they would? If anything, I would have thought the council would want the houses first.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Nn4 hatter on 8/5/2024, 9:30:40, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
That was the case in the planning hearing, but Newlands has gone (new owners)
Re: Power Court
Posted by HH on 8/5/2024, 9:48:58, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Was it just an off the hand remark by a Cllr? It doesn't seem to have been stipulated in a planning condition on either consent?
Re: Power Court
Posted by Ches Fordroad on 8/5/2024, 9:50:35, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
There was definitely something in the original permission, but I think that was linked to the Newlands development which has of course changed out of all recognition since then
Re: Power Court
Posted by MG on 8/5/2024, 9:27:40, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
The only stipulation I remember was that the stadium had to be built to podium level before Newlands could be built or something like that. I don't remember it being given any kind of precedence within the Power Court development.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Archi on 8/5/2024, 9:13:49, in reply to "Power Court"
Perhaps we should recognise our expectations and limitations? Luton is never going to be a fixture in the top division without a wealthy foreign owner and so we really want that?
Re: Power Court
Posted by KG on 8/5/2024, 9:09:42, in reply to "Power Court"
People have been saying similar things for Years now.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Cuba on 8/5/2024, 9:11:29, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Exactly and none of us are getting any younger.
When I suggested 2029 a week ago I was laughed at.
To be honest 2029 seems the best case scenario.
I bet Oxford get their new ground before we do.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Xyz on 8/5/2024, 9:17:44, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
3 sides of the same coin ? At least we aren't getting stiffed by an ex owner still owning the stadium.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Oak Roader on 8/5/2024, 9:30:04, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
True we aren’t getting stiffed by an ex owner. But are we getting the truth from the current ones? What will the reasons/excuses be next summer when not a lot has happened?
NJ was selling the new stadium to some of his signings as one of the ways the club was moving forward. He’ll have retired before it’s built at this rate.
Re: Power Court
Posted by ActonHatter on 8/5/2024, 9:25:05, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
We could have just thrown up a boxy cookie cutter stadium at J10.
Power Court is very complex - the river, the substation, Town Centre location, the pollution legacy. Tie that in with the economic winds of the last five years I believe the club are doing the best they can whilst limiting an excess financial exposure.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Greyhound on 8/5/2024, 9:32:42, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Well summed up Acton Hatter exactly the reasons why building hasn’t started yet. I completely trust 2020 and the stadium will be built, we just need to be patient.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Just an observation on 8/5/2024, 9:39:33, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Most of that was known when the move to PC was first announced so it doesn't stand up to close scrutiny as a reason for ongoing delays
Re: Power Court
Posted by since 63 on 8/5/2024, 9:43:06, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
i suspect the club are delaying the building in the hope of a reduction in interest rate, the cost of raw materials and building costs.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Me on 8/5/2024, 10:30:47, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
Do fans want to part of the premiership show as it hasn't been a great experience tbf,we always will be a lower league club.
Re: Power Court
Posted by Red Kite on 8/5/2024, 11:51:36, in reply to "Re: Power Court"
As has been mentioned loads of times in this thread, UKPN are a rule onto themselves. To put this in perspective, a mate of mine is pretty senior in a construction company. They needed a new sub station installed for a development. They had to use UKPN (only company able to do the work) The cost from initial enquiry doubled, the timescale went from 3 months to 6 and they delayed the start date 3 times. (delayed 9 months) This was on a project which was considerably smaller then Power Court, so the delays and costs increases been mentioned are likely to be very genuine. As you can see from the site a load of ground clearance has been done, so whilst I like loads of others would like to see it move more quickly, we do need to see some reality. Just because it's a football ground does not mean to say the club have any more clout than anyone else over UKPN
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