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Forest VAR

Posted by Hawkeye on 23/4/2024, 7:52:29

Forest fan in peace. I know my club has come under a lot of criticism with our recent response to our game against Everton. I know every club thinks that they should have had decisions go their way. Please look at those penalty appeals that we made against Everton and not agree that we should have had at least two. We have had fourteen such incidents this season. I really wish the club hadn’t have kicked off like they did but it is hard to take.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Farhat on 23/4/2024, 13:09:06, in reply to "Forest VAR"

Huddersfield though.....

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Hahaha!!! on 23/4/2024, 12:56:33, in reply to "Forest VAR"

What are you trying to achieve with this post, you soppy cunt?
It's nearly as embarrassing as your cheating clubs statement about VAR.
You lot are getting as bad as the bin dippers with your tears.

Yeah but but but we won the European Cup 40 odds years ago. Fuck off 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Lutonian on 23/4/2024, 12:05:27, in reply to "Forest VAR"

Your misfortune and meltdown has nothing to do with our club.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by r p mcmurphy on 23/4/2024, 10:52:20, in reply to "Forest VAR"

I thought Gibbs White should've been sent off for a high tackle on Barkley at your place. Is that a minus one in your conspiracy spreadsheet?

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Music Critic on 23/4/2024, 10:22:01, in reply to "Forest VAR"

Your club are obviously in a massive panic about relegation probably due to the fact financial meltdown will result

Perhaps as a fanbase, instead of getting paranoid along with your scummy owner, you should be questioning why you are in such a perilous financial situation in the first place.

You better hope we don't get our shit together for the last 4 games (and you get some points back on appeal which I daresay you will) cos if you drop, it'll get ugly

What a state for your owner to have got your club into

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by TPDC on 23/4/2024, 11:45:07, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

Exactly this.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Herve Baquet on 23/4/2024, 10:49:11, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

Thank fuck we had our dodgy owners at a time where social media wasn't around.

I know a few people had their head in the sand about it, but you'd be seeing hundreds of dickheads blindly standing up for the twats.

I'm flabbergasted by the defense of that Forest tweet. By Forest fans, but also fans from other teams claiming "they're asking the right questions about the corrupt PL".

I just don't understand how they were apparently corrupt in favour of the top 6 (except Liverpool got fucked over in that spurs game, so actually they were corrupt against them) but Luton are 3rd bottom. But then if they're corrupt against Everton, like all Eveton fans have gone on about all season, why did they supposedly get the decisions fixed in their favour on Sunday.

There's no fucking conspiracy, and the fact that it's now a part of normal discourse is beyond belief. There will always be unconscious big club bias with refs. But that's a different planet from the PL fixing it so Luton stay up and Forest go down.

VAR and Twitter have completely fucked football.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Ches Fordroad on 23/4/2024, 11:08:29, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

The fact they're parroting the bullshit that the fat cunt is doing this for all of football is quite incredible

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Herve Baquet on 23/4/2024, 15:01:13, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

It really is.

TBF I think a lot of the support is from random 'fans' from abroad who are all pretty much demented. But it's utterly depressing.

I hope to god we'd never have a meltdown like this.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Music Critic on 23/4/2024, 10:57:04, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

I'm flabbergasted by the defense of that Forest tweet. By Forest fans, but also fans from other teams claiming "they're asking the right questions about the corrupt PL".

Yes, conspiracy-theory paranoia brought to football. Like refs, the Premier League as an organisation is often shite but it's not corrupt

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Doctor Ince on 23/4/2024, 12:08:50, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

I know I have form for this, so these comments won't be a suprise, but I am certain that top level football across all nations is corrupt/fixed to a degree.

In some cases this is legally, through things like FFP, the elite player performance plan, European competition seeding etc, and through other more shadowy 'back door' routes.

I do think one reason VAR was brought in is to allow results to be manipulated if needed. See the United/Coventry game. If Rashford scores that last minute goal there's no way it's disallowed

There's simply too much money involved for powerful people for it not to be.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Mr T on 23/4/2024, 20:12:35, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

You really are deluded about life in general

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Sepp's Bladder on 23/4/2024, 10:00:08, in reply to "Forest VAR"

Honest opinion : you should have had the 3rd penalty shout when the Watford chap came through the back of the Chelsea chap.

1st one there was a bit of contact on the fellas heel so he dived - no pen.
2nd ball brushed his arm from close range - no pen.

Remember is would have suited us for that game to be drawn cos we play Everton. The response from Forest is pathetic.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Voice of reason on 23/4/2024, 11:53:11, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

Spot on SB

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Cheated on 23/4/2024, 9:59:17, in reply to "Forest VAR"

FFP Cheats all others cheats, oh the irony, Maybe even karma

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Jansel House on 23/4/2024, 9:38:55, in reply to "Forest VAR"

Go away you big fucking cry baby 🤷🏻‍♂️

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Doctor Ince on 23/4/2024, 9:38:39, in reply to "Forest VAR"

Every club has decisions go against them. Should Forest have had at least one penalty against Everton? Probably yes.

I can think, off the top of my head with no real effort, of 4 decisions that have gone against us this season in a similar way. If I was doing a Forest and keeping track I am certain it would be near 14, as it would for almost every club outside of the big 4.

Your owner is match fixing cheat, you cheated to stay in the league, your fans cheered Cooper saying 'we love VAR', and if you get relegated because of corruption or incompetence, it's hard to say it's nod deserved.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Big Tone on 23/4/2024, 9:26:26, in reply to "Forest VAR"

Fourteen such incidents, do me a favour, how many have Wolves had?
Anyway, fuck your owner and fuck your scouse like whinging.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Mainstander on 23/4/2024, 12:23:24, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

1st 2 were not penalties for me, the 3rd
was stonewall but all teams will have these
Wolves are the ones that are most publicly
known.I think Forest made a mistake getting
rid of Cooper. Easy to say now but thought
it at the time. Nuno has not improved Forest.

Last 4 games are going to be interesting
on paper as a collective would say we have
a more favourable run in but thought Saturday
was winnable that didn't work out. I think
Forest need to win 2 games to stay up.
Although we have a chance in all 4 , realistically
we have won 6 all season so to win 3 from 4
seems unlikely. Burnley are now in the equation
but their fixtures look less favourable than
both Luton n Forest but they do have momentum
which can take u a long way. Heart says we will
do it head isn't so sure. I have no grudge
with any team apart from Watford so may the
best team win.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by HTH on 23/4/2024, 9:14:56, in reply to "Forest VAR"

What has happened to you lot over the last few years? You're giving Liverpool and Everton fans a run for their money!
In isolation, the decisions were no, maybe and yes on Sunday.
In the context of the season, the chickens are coming home to roost - you won't get any sympathy here.
See, we were with you in the Championship when all you did was moan about parachute payments and how unfair it was. Now your owner is blocking payments from the EPL to the EFL.
We were in the Championship when your fans delighted in Derby getting huge points deductions for hiding losses and yet here you are being leniently dealt with for blatant financial cheating.
You're crying on other team's forums trying to garner support for your stampy feet outburst when you were promoted off the back of one of the most dodgy refereeing performances ever seen at Wembley.
Show some self awareness and wind ya f*cking necks in will ya!?

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Music Critic on 23/4/2024, 9:34:45, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

And remember their whining when we beat them a couple of Easters ago with an injury-hit side and had to play in a way that wasn't pretty but effective

They spent the next few months calling us anti-football because we dared to not roll over and have our tummies tickled

What has happened to you lot over the last few years?

This

I used to like Forest but they are right up there on my list of disliked clubs now. I'm sure they don't give a shit what I think but they are an appalling version of the club I grew up quite admiring

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by F.I. on 23/4/2024, 9:39:11, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

What has happen to Forrest is they've gone and sold out to a very rich pratt.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Music Critic on 23/4/2024, 9:40:57, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

I think it was a rhetorical question

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Numquam Facilis on 23/4/2024, 9:10:55, in reply to "Forest VAR"

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Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 23/4/2024, 9:06:54, in reply to "Forest VAR"

You are typical of Forest and it's fans, snowflakes the lot of you.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Bored in Flitwick on 23/4/2024, 9:01:42, in reply to "Forest VAR"

Stop moaning..your points deduction was a joke..should have been 10...fiddling owner..got issues with other club he owns..you deserve what you get

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Ches Fordroad on 23/4/2024, 8:29:54, in reply to "Forest VAR"

After the way your lot have behaved towards us the past couple of years, tough shit.

And for fuck's sake, stop peddling your owner's lies that he's doing this for the good of every club.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by MG on 23/4/2024, 8:19:33, in reply to "Forest VAR"

I thought they were all good shouts, I can only see VAR intervening for definite in the third one but even then there is an element of it not being clear and obvious.

And you all seem to have forgotten how you got through the play-offs to get promoted in the first place.

I think you need new ownership to restore yourselves to credibility though.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by RADSB on 23/4/2024, 8:45:08, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

+1 on all that. The wording is the key thing not the incidents themselves - clear and obvious error. That is the stupid thing and needs changing or VAR abolishing.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by MG on 23/4/2024, 8:56:05, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

Out of those two I think I know which I would vote for!

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by RADSB on 23/4/2024, 9:07:22, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

The Coventry "offside" sums it up and should persuade any waverers that VAR needs abolishing.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by MG on 23/4/2024, 9:11:40, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

Yes, what a soul-destroying thing that aspect of it is. To me, these millimeter decisions are, yes technically correct, but totally ignore the spirit of the law. And for it to happen in those circumstances and ruin one of the most incredible stories of the season, just pathetic.

Wake up FA/EPL! This is a sport, not a bloody science experiment.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Music Critic on 23/4/2024, 9:46:21, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

Exactly

The officials, without VAR, can take into account the spirit of the law

I know offside is absolute but benefit of the doubt was often given to the attacking side

If VAR is here to stay the offside rule needs to change - to something like... as long as one part of the attackers body (even an arm) is level with a defender - even if most of his body his ahead of the defender - he is onside. I know there'll still be marginal calls but it cuts much more slack to the attacking side and if you haven't managed to keep at least one part of your body onside then you deserve to get a goal chalked off

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Herve Baquet on 23/4/2024, 10:53:22, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

It's absolutely impossible for a lino (or more importantly the players involved) to know if a toe or shoulder is offside. Anyone who has played the game at any level will understand this.

So having technology ruling on players judging whether their foot is 1mm offside is complete batshit. Linesmen are effectively redundant.
Either change the rules or scrap linesmen and have the whole thing automated. It'll be shit, but most of football is shit now anyway.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Ffs on 23/4/2024, 15:06:04, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

Can't people who haven't played the game understand that then?

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by ELH on 23/4/2024, 10:04:15, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

That would just shift the problem to being a millimetre on or offside to slightly closer to the goal line. The only way I think it can be solved keeping VAR is to have certain tolerance with "thick lines". If it's in that range then it's too close to call and whatever the on field decision was stands. Same as umpire's call in cricket.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Music Critic on 23/4/2024, 10:11:04, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

But we're talking about the spirit of the offside law. That 'goal' for Coventry was so marginal no one would have complained if we hadn't had VAR and it was awarded. That's the spirit of the offside law.

On Sunday, the Cov attacker got no real advantage by being that marginally off. It's farcical.

With my idea, the spirit in which the law was originally written would be upheld and the attacker would, rightfully, be punished if he can't get one part of his body onside

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by m on 23/4/2024, 10:27:32, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

If you watch it back. It’s only really Uniteds keeper that put his hand up. There’s other United players on their knees because they think it’s a goal. Usually says a lot

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Music Critic on 23/4/2024, 10:49:07, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

Yep

With VAR we have to work with absolutes and Coventry's 4th was rightly chalked off because offside is offside, even though the forward had no real advantage in that situation

Without VAR it would have been awarded, no-one would have complained and football would have had a great moment because common sense, the spirit of the law, benefit of the doubt would be applied

When the law was last changed, lawmakers would not have even been thinking about what technology might do to the game and that law

So with technology, we're dealing with absolutes rather than less tangible things like the benefit of the doubt or spirit of the law, etc. But because we are now dealing with absolutes, some slack now needs to be given to attackers and the law needs to be changed

It won't solve things like VAR ruining moments of celebration and stuff like that but it might bring some sense and reason to offside

Personally, I'd just get rid of VAR but it's going nowhere

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by ELH on 23/4/2024, 11:49:38, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

I think VAR would be OK with some tweaking and some common sense, but at the moment is taking too much fun out of the game.

It should be for clear and obvious errors only, which really don't happen that often. I can only think of the two penalties against Sheff Utd where a referee's decision (except offside) has been overturned in our games this season. Those were ridiculous, but mostly I'd say common sense has applied - I'll even accept the JWP handball decision was not clear and obvious enough to justify overturning.

Offside is the area though that's causing the most problems as VAR is applied rigidly since it can be proved whether someone was on or offside using the cameras, even though it's impossible to get the close calls right by eye. Wherever you define offside as being it will still be the same problem as you can still measure it exactly.

That's why I suggested we need the equivalent of an umpire's call for marginal decisions. The offside rule stays the same, but where VAR intervenes changes. Technically the ref's decision may still be incorrect, but if it's close then that's just accepted as part of the game.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Music Critic on 23/4/2024, 13:25:08, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

The trouble is that with offside and the clear and obvious principle, if VAR finds out someone was offside but it wasn't clear and obvious and the goal was awarded, you can very easily predict the (understandable) frustration from the managers, players and fans of the team who ended up the wrong side of that decision.

It's absolute. Either get rid of VAR or change the offside law to give forwards room for error

That's why I suggested we need the equivalent of an umpire's call for marginal decisions. The offside rule stays the same, but where VAR intervenes changes. Technically the ref's decision may still be incorrect, but if it's close then that's just accepted as part of the game.

There is absolutely no way that will fly. Offside is offside is offside. If it is offside you have to give it. It's absolute

Wherever you define offside as being it will still be the same problem as you can still measure it exactly.

I do say in my original post that there will still be some tough, unlucky, marginal decisions even with my idea. But, the point I'm trying to make (perhaps poorly) is that a player who can't keep a single part of his body onside deserves to be flagged or his goal ruled out no matter the marginality. A player who has only been caught with his toenail offside (like Coventry on Sunday) and has a goal ruled out doesn't deserve to have that goal chalked off. And, again, when the lawmakers were writing the offside law there is no way they'd know that VAR would get things down to ridiculously small margins.

A player, like the Cov forward the other day, didn't gain any unfair advantage therefore you have to give attackers more margin for error and to allow the spirit of the law to be maintained

Either change the law or ditch VAR

Or give teams one review per game - right or wrong they only get one and, once used up, they have to go with the on-field decision. Benefit of the doubt given to attackers

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by MG on 23/4/2024, 10:04:04, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

Yes definitely something more like that if they have to keep it. I think that would also lead to much fewer decisions having to be subject to lengthy reviews, at least I'm guessing there would be less like that.

It would be so much better for the game.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Nick NBH on 23/4/2024, 8:14:57, in reply to "Forest VAR"

We`ve all had decisions go against us. Well maybe not the big 6. And yes there were a couple of decent shouts.

However - Forest have come across all klopp like. "considering options" etc. It was a frankly embarrassing tweet for a club.

Not to mention that there was a good or a bad result for us in that game as we still have to play everton. There is a difference between shit decisions and accusing the PGMOL of corruption pretty much. Lets face it, forest got the premier league due to a couple of suspect ref decisions so its not like it doenst go both ways

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by m on 23/4/2024, 8:53:54, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

Calling out Pgmol right thing to do. Calling into question the integrity of an official. Not the right thing to do.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Frogeye on 23/4/2024, 8:14:56, in reply to "Forest VAR"

Jog on you fannies, you're embarrassing yourselves.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by SA on 23/4/2024, 8:07:17, in reply to "Forest VAR"

But that wasn't the statement was it?

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by The Son on 23/4/2024, 8:07:10, in reply to "Forest VAR"

Ask Huddersfield fans.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Herts Hatter on 23/4/2024, 8:06:51, in reply to "Forest VAR"

No problem with your club or kicking off the way you have. I don't think it will help you but in the context of modern football it is probably what other clubs would do. Personally I would rather Forest and Luton stay up and Everton flush.... Its all media bubble bullocks anyway. The world keeps turning

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 23/4/2024, 9:15:29, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

As of today I would rather see Everton stay up than Forest

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by roger kirkpatrick on 23/4/2024, 7:57:46, in reply to "Forest VAR"

Stop yr sobbing and grizzling... you lost , accept it and move on!! you lot are like a spoilt kid that refuses to be out in a back garden game of cricket!!

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by Stimm on 23/4/2024, 8:53:01, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

You watch now forest will get all the marginal decisions as the refs don't want to be called cheats.
Forest are going to bully and cheat their way to stay up.

Re: Forest VAR

Posted by The Outsider on 23/4/2024, 9:49:19, in reply to "Re: Forest VAR"

That is the whole reason for the tweet and Clattenburg's appointment - to put pressure on officials.

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