Luton Outlaws - The Avenue of Evil

Gary Sweet

Posted by Herts Hatter on 11/4/2024, 7:13:44

One of the best things that has happened to the club, done a huge amount for us and deserves all the rewards

BUT

Sorry got it wrong asking for bigger points deductions for other clubs. That is NOT the Luton way. We are not snitches and we are not about "cracking down" on other football clubs. Lets not become like other PL types.

Apart from that carry on as before!

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by mmmm on 11/4/2024, 17:13:00, in reply to "Gary Sweet"

Don't agree with you in the slightest. You're perfectly entitled to your view as is Gary. The difference is Gary is acting in the interest of LTFC which is his job and also what we as fans need him to do. The Board do a tonne of stuff to promote good corporate governance in football and every now and then we need them to put Luton first.

So, nice one Gary.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Gary on 11/4/2024, 19:23:16, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Even I think you're a cunt.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Just an observation on 11/4/2024, 11:56:45, in reply to "Gary Sweet"

Could be construed as an extremely clever and forward thinking move (at least 2 or 3 steps ahead of the rest

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Cybermat on 11/4/2024, 11:43:46, in reply to "Gary Sweet"

I’ve considered the wisdom of this too, but this was not an off-the-cuff interview. It was deliberately targeted at the PL, allowing GS to also reach out ‘directly’ to the appeals panel. Whether it makes a difference we will never know, but I am absolutely certain this was a very carefully considered media snippet, probably set up with JD, that he knew would go viral.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Swiss Tony on 11/4/2024, 10:34:49, in reply to "Gary Sweet"

Top post!

Swiss

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Farhat on 11/4/2024, 10:27:43, in reply to "Gary Sweet"

The thing you're forgetting here is that, yes he's the CEO, but he attends EPL meetings and voices his opinions at them, he's never been afraid of saying what he thinks, and he would have thought through any consequences. Anybody who's ever been at a meeting with him knows he plays his chess three moves ahead.

Also, and this is a BIG also, he one of US. And he's right, of course.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by crumpsall on 11/4/2024, 10:48:19, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Spot on.

There have always been people who seem to hate him, and here they are again. Oddly enough, they never stick to regular posting names - wonder why?

If anyone by now doesn't believe GS and 2020 are fighting the corner for fairness and sustainability for football's future - as well as ours - they're wearing hate blinkers.

Funny, too, that the people questioning Power Court don't seem to read From the Boardroom in the programme (and online) as GS referred to it in the last programme - Bournemouth - and anyone genuinely interested will have seen pics of work currently going on at the site.

Hate and negativity blind, again, I suppose

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ok on 11/4/2024, 10:58:58, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Never heard anyone say they hate him. Never heard anyone say he is shit at his job. But he's not above being questioned or criticised. If he chooses to put himself out there in the media, unlike any other CEO I can think of, he opens himself up to more scrutiny.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by crumpsall on 11/4/2024, 11:17:55, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

He was and is invited to talk by/with the media. They, and the football world, seem to have more respect for him than some of our 'fans', especially the faceless ones on here. And hate is historically correct for a few.

He's certainly not beyond criticism, agreed, and I'll wager that I criticise/challenge him more than any of the online moaners, both directly and through the supporters groups and action groups.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Farhat on 11/4/2024, 12:03:12, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

And he'll be having a good chuckle reading through this thread!

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Yes on 11/4/2024, 12:07:17, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Yep. Laughing all the way to the bank given his ridiculous bonus.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Farhat on 11/4/2024, 12:54:43, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Without him we wouldn't exist.

Jealousy is such a horrible trait.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ches Fordroad on 11/4/2024, 13:14:52, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

"Yes" and "Well" is/are amongst those who I suspect thinks they'd do a better job

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Well on 11/4/2024, 13:24:15, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

No wish to get involved in a childish squabble about it.

If you think I’m wrong so be it.

1-2 million is obscene for any job, it has nothing to do with him doing his job at Luton.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ches Fordroad on 11/4/2024, 13:36:24, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

That's a totally different argument.

And, regardless of whether you believe that salary level is justifiable or not, at least he's been rewarded for genuine, measurable success.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Hat66 on 11/4/2024, 13:19:01, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

I assumed they were simply bitter YBs.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Well on 11/4/2024, 11:40:25, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

No issue with him apart from his wages/bonus last year does not sit well with me.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Caught Jester on 11/4/2024, 13:31:09, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

So, you know, put some numbers on his wages/bonus for last year. Just so as we can pick it apart.

Go on, if YOU know then let us know..

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Well on 11/4/2024, 17:01:57, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

I already did.

Pick away.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Caught Jester on 11/4/2024, 17:17:03, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Where?

Link please.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Hat66 on 11/4/2024, 12:36:33, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Worth every penny and more.

The Pozzos take more from the filth every month in “admin fees” than GS gets in a year.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Well on 11/4/2024, 13:01:22, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

I disagree.

It’s an obscene amount for a club like Luton considering our financial history.

Quite a few agree however I understand football is an obscene industry.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by VNSC on 11/4/2024, 11:15:52, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Spot on. Everyone respects and thanks him.

However the way the critical ground update was slipped out on Monday evening, and the comments around Everton both could have been handled better.

Surely it’s possible to have this opinion without claiming that it’s “hate”.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ok on 11/4/2024, 10:44:49, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

So why not keep his opinions for the meetings he attends then?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Music Critic on 11/4/2024, 10:57:21, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Maybe they're not listening in the meetings so he's amplifying, using the media, to make himself heard

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ok on 11/4/2024, 10:59:38, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Or maybe he just likes the attention it brings him.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Music Critic on 11/4/2024, 11:05:46, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Or maybe he likes the attention he brings to Luton Town FC and to the cheating of others?

Local radio DJ asks him a question and he answers it shock. But you're obviously massively offended by him talking to the media

First world problems, eh?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by HH on 11/4/2024, 11:07:15, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

And if he hadn't answered it and said something 'I'm only focused on Luton Town' people would have had a dig for not standing up for the club.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Music Critic on 11/4/2024, 11:15:21, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

The same people moaning about him being in the media about this issue are probably also the types who complain when we don't get updates on Power Court's progress

The attitude seemingly being "So, Gary, you can talk to the media but only when I say it's alright to do so and only on issues I think you should talk about in public"

Struggling to see why it's so offensive for some for the CEO of Luton Town FC to speak out about points deductions bearing in mind our history with them

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ches Fordroad on 11/4/2024, 11:22:49, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Some people definitely have a personal grudge, probably because - in the face of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary - they think they would be doing a better job

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ok on 11/4/2024, 11:11:48, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Now they wouldn't. He's far too intelligent to not know exactly what he was doing and the repercussions it would cause.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by HH on 11/4/2024, 11:23:17, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

A few Everton fans getting wound up and Andy Burnham (who I usually quite like) getting all his facts wrong about for a few extra likes on Twitter?

I think we can put our big boy pants on and deal with those repercussions for now.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Music Critic on 11/4/2024, 11:33:09, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Yeah, I like Burnham too but he's been consistently wrong on this. As you say, he's probably just being a Twitter politician

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ches Fordroad on 11/4/2024, 11:21:13, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

"Now they wouldn't"

You don't really believe that, surely?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by MG on 11/4/2024, 11:13:34, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

What "repercussions" are you referring to exactly?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ok on 11/4/2024, 11:21:37, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Just reaction his comments have brought.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ches Fordroad on 11/4/2024, 11:36:44, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Oh fuck, we're doomed now - loudmouth Everton supporters and the even loudermouthed Simon Jordan are having their say, yet again.

Why the fuck should we stay silent?

Go on, tell us all what these repercussions are REALLY going to be.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by HH on 11/4/2024, 11:40:01, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

.......Richard Keys might be chipping in next.

Or Carragher might remember he was once an Everton fan.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ches Fordroad on 11/4/2024, 11:44:34, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

"Richard Keys might be chipping in next"

'oldtimer' will be gutted if his hairy-handed hero turns against us

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by HH on 11/4/2024, 11:55:06, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

He occasionally interjects with outlandish and absurd assertions. It seems to be the only method for the hairy handed has-been to try to grasp onto relevance from the desert, especially when his only legacy appears to be having to resign due to sexist behaviour and the disgrace of fucking your daughter's best friend while your wife battled cancer.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by MG on 11/4/2024, 11:32:22, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

And how do you think a little bit of whining on a couple of fans' forums actually impacts us?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ok on 11/4/2024, 11:33:53, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

If you think that is all it is then you are nieve.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by HH on 11/4/2024, 11:36:51, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

What's going to happen then?

Will the mean old Everton fans boo and hiss us when we play them?

The same Everton fans who were so fucking quiet on Saturday even MoTD commented on it?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Music Critic on 11/4/2024, 11:35:56, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

What else is it then? Why is MG being nieve (sic)?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ok on 11/4/2024, 11:44:49, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

It makes us look as bitter as the scousers. Will probably rub the clique at the PL up the wrong so will do us no favours at all in the long run.
And for what? He's not achieved anything apart from getting his voice/face in the media once again.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by crumpsall on 11/4/2024, 12:43:35, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

You think you know what GS is doing better than he does?

Sensational! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ok on 11/4/2024, 12:47:52, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

No idea how you have taken that from my post

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Music Critic on 11/4/2024, 11:58:53, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

I could not give a flying fuck how it makes us look. We went through 6 years of hell from 2008-2014 because of our punishments. Everton's feeble penalties might not even cost them one year. I know the crimes/circumstances are different but what we did was not much worse than the cheating Forest and Everton have engaged in. In fact the 10 points we got from the FA was for a crime that was way more minor than what Forest and Everton have done. I think we have every right to be thoroughly pissed off

If you'd prefer us to be timid, doff our caps and say yes, sir, no sir to the Prem, then that's up to you

We've been singing anti-FA and Football League songs for 16 years. Did that 'rub them up the wrong way' and did it 'do us no favours' in the long run? Because from what I've seen it's done us a shit load of good

Not achieved anything? In your opinion. But people are now talking about the other side of the debate to the mealy-mouthed, pathetic arguments that have dominated up to now, expressing sympathy for the cheats

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Caught Jester on 11/4/2024, 13:36:23, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

+2020

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ok on 11/4/2024, 13:23:06, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

People were already talking about it. Let's not pretend Gary opening his trap about it is the reason why.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Music Critic on 11/4/2024, 13:31:54, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Utter bollocks. Not the other side of the argument as I've just explained

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by MG on 11/4/2024, 13:03:09, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Well said, I wonder why he didn't choose to answer this post . . .

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by RADSB on 11/4/2024, 11:56:39, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

GS shouldn't tell Luton fans his honest opinion because it makes us look as bitter as the scousers. Sorry but that is pathetic.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by MG on 11/4/2024, 11:54:03, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Don't be such a soft lad.

You seem to be quite desperate to make a point that just isn't there.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ches Fordroad on 11/4/2024, 11:47:28, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

"It makes us look as bitter as the scousers"

Oh right, so it might mean in future we'll fucking get away with flagrantly, blatantly disregarding rules as well then because the authorities are worried about how we might react?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by MG on 11/4/2024, 11:35:25, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

In that case help me out by explaining what these awful repercussions are that you are so concerned about . . .

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Music Critic on 11/4/2024, 11:28:23, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Who gives a fuck what Everton and Forest fans (or owners) think? Or their media fanboys?

Blimey, Forest fans got all upset and snowflakey back in Easter 2022 when we dared beat them playing a less-than-expansive style of football due to an injury list as long as Nathan Jones's arm. They were crying for months even after they had got promoted.

I used to like Forest but their fans have acted like complete wankers over the last 2 or 3 years and their owner seems a right scumbag

All this talk of 'we've done the team talk for Everton and Forest for the rest of the season now'. I mean, bloody hell. Really? We're getting soft

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Swiss Tony on 11/4/2024, 10:37:39, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Top post!

The one above was meant for you mate, not Herts, apologies.

Swiss

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by MG on 11/4/2024, 9:02:21, in reply to "Gary Sweet"

I think he's right because we can see that the Premier League are heading more towards fines rather than points reductions.

That would be just handing some of these mega-clubs carte blanche to spend what they like and put the clubs in genuine difficulty in even greater jeopardy.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Farhat on 11/4/2024, 11:11:30, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

I *think* it was deccided at this week's EPL meeting that points deductions as punishment are here to stay.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Farhat on 11/4/2024, 11:12:42, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Also, it was deccided that there are now two c's in deccided.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by MG on 11/4/2024, 11:15:07, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Okay, that's good, I had read a couple of articles that suggested it was going towards fines as a percentage of the overspend which would just be utterly ridiculous.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ltfc39 on 11/4/2024, 10:48:32, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Because the mood music in the media and fans is that they'd prefer that.

I don't agree with it, but my opinion isn't going to make any difference. Especially when the "Greedy Six" have so much sway.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Music Critic on 11/4/2024, 11:00:58, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

And the mood music in the media and amongst prem fanboys has to change

That cheating is cheating and should be punished. The rules might be shit but, like in real life, we can't pick and choose which laws to obey just because we don't like them. Or, at least, if you break those laws, which you don't like, you should still expect consequences regardless of whether the law is shit

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 11/4/2024, 8:42:36, in reply to "Gary Sweet"

Had a valid point but it was always going to be seen as him trying to gain an advantage for us, should have seen that coming and that it wouldn't achieve anything.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Kitman on 11/4/2024, 8:54:37, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

How do you know it won't achieve anything? Do you not think he would have calculated that it was the right time to say something?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 11/4/2024, 9:09:47, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Probably will achieve something, but not what you and I would want.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by RADSB on 11/4/2024, 8:36:23, in reply to "Gary Sweet"

Snitches?! He was asked a question and answered it honestly. Do you think the points deductions are fair?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ltfc39 on 11/4/2024, 8:34:17, in reply to "Gary Sweet"

I don't agree or disagree on this. I'd be fairly certain that GS and team are going to be raising this in the background, but maybe he is starting to hit that brick wall and some pressure in public would raise more eyebrows than it being said behind closed doors in meetings.

It feels that the Premier League and it's independent commission have left themselves wide open for appeals and corrections. The written reasons state that the Nottingham Forest decision departed from the precedent set from the first Everton case.

I do not accept double jeopardy. If it was that, there wouldn't be a punishment at all as it is unlawful. The rules state that it is a 3-year rolling period. So are we now allowing clubs to knowingly overspend in the first 2 years and then keep doing it in year 3, if you've already been punsihed before? So Everton can do the same in FY24 and only get a 2 point deduction because they've already been punished for the preceding 2 years? It makes no sense.

GS' comments about the second offence are justified. It's commonplace in the criminal justice system. And it was handed out to us in relation to the Golden Share for exiting administration 3 times. Something without prior precedent.

There is also another question to answer - why did journalists and broadcasters know about the 2 point deduction before the clubs involved, at the end of last week?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ches Fordroad on 11/4/2024, 8:33:10, in reply to "Gary Sweet"

Everton and Forest have done all right by very publicly, very loudly whining very often

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ltfc39 on 11/4/2024, 8:36:28, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Indeed. But lets be fair, the narrative in the media and fanbases across the country and not for points deductions. "Don't punish the fans".

Forgetting that both clubs have pleaded guilty for each charge.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ches Fordroad on 11/4/2024, 8:45:17, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

What about supporters of clubs who've been affected by Everton and Forest's cheating? Why aren't these people giving a fuck about them?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Godders on 11/4/2024, 8:49:30, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

That's because, apparently according to sone on here, you have to keep quiet and just politely accept it and not do or say anything about it.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Macatacanski on 11/4/2024, 8:01:20, in reply to "Gary Sweet"

I think the message he was trying to put across about inconsistency was very good. But the example he used to illustrate it was terrible, very clumsy, and not really well thought out because I don't think veneered yo start naming names and putting numbers to them. Just goes to show that everyone makes mistakes, won't hold it against him that's for sure

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Yes on 11/4/2024, 7:57:33, in reply to "Gary Sweet"

Absolutely no need for him to get involved. Even if he thinks that way, he shouldn't have gone public. Shows a complete lack of class. He's been quiet for a month or so, not been on Talksport for a bit. This smacks of him wanting to be relevant in the public eye.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by hatters1988 on 11/4/2024, 9:08:40, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Or could it be that there's been another deduction recently that directly affects us so he may have been asked his opinion?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by VNSC on 11/4/2024, 8:02:06, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

It also fires up other clubs that but extra. Pin that on the wall etc.

Like previous public comments, over confidence and misguided.

I thought he said no BBB stuff….

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Yes on 11/4/2024, 8:06:35, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Exactly that. And obviously we have a huge game against Everton in a few weeks time. That game will now be all about Gary Sweets comments. It's almost like he wants that to be the case. He's not stupid. He knew what would happen once he opened his mouth.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by VNSC on 11/4/2024, 8:34:48, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

A diversion tactic to take attention away from the “next year” revelations and the failure to do what we needed to in January???

Why hasn’t anyone picked up on the ground update, seems a pretty fundamental piece of news that has been brushed under the carpet.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Cuba Spotter on 11/4/2024, 8:37:53, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

You really hate the people who run the club you claim to support, don't you?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by VNSC on 11/4/2024, 8:42:01, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Perfectly justified question but you continue to deny. How possibly is this a Cuba question???

Cuba seems to be far more reasonable recently.My question is quite separate from his normal moans. The GROUND won’t start until “next year”.

But nobody is asking why or how his impacts our financial position.

Toodle pip.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by crumpsall on 11/4/2024, 10:39:20, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

You're pretending not to be Cuba now?

That's sad and very telling.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Doctor Ince on 11/4/2024, 9:59:18, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

To be completely fair it was starting next year last year. And possibly the year before that but I forget the timelines

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Nn4 hatter on 11/4/2024, 10:33:00, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Pick out your highlights, and forget the facts....tsk

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Yep on 11/4/2024, 10:17:12, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

That's about the size of it. It's always 'next year'. GS trots out the same line over and over and his disciples lap it up.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Give it a rest. on 11/4/2024, 8:53:11, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Why are you, once again, pretending youre not Cuba?
You have serious mental issues that need addressing.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ches Fordroad on 11/4/2024, 8:46:48, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Does Cuba speak about Cuba in the third person in real life as well?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by VNSC on 11/4/2024, 8:51:34, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Shrugs?

Does CF ever answer a question set to him?

What was your take on the ground news?

Having a different opinion isn’t a crime.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ches Fordroad on 11/4/2024, 8:56:52, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Ches often answers questions.

Ches is pleased that the ground is progressing, albeit slower than hoped as at his age he ponders if he'll be around to see it.

Ches is still wondering if Cuba talks about himself in the third person in real life. Perhaps you could ask him, if you ever see him, because you clearly and obviously aren't Cuba.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Give it a rest. on 11/4/2024, 8:55:00, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

'Does CF ever answer a question set to him'

Oh the irony🤣🤣🤣

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Fatsy on 11/4/2024, 7:52:14, in reply to "Gary Sweet"

It's about correcting the narrative. Everton and Forest are playing the victims because of the lack of action against City.
Fact is both Everton and Forest knowingly broke the rules and should be punished appropriately. Second offence for Everton should mean a higher penalty and Forest's 2 point reduction for cooperation is ridiculous.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Godders on 11/4/2024, 8:48:24, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Exactly this. Don't get the whole "keep your mouth shut and don't upset the apple cart" narrative. Tat approach smacks of appearing not to care and willing accept anything thrown at you.
GS is absolutely right to speak out IMO. If nothing else to highlight the pathetic inconsistencies and the more people yst make a fuss the more pressure it puts on the authorities. There's point in just politely sitting on your hands doing or saying nothing. By doing so you are effectively condoning the ridiculous punishment.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Kitman on 11/4/2024, 7:42:14, in reply to "Gary Sweet"

Disagree.

Not only is he right in what he says but he excited the feelings of us all and only he knows if it's the right time to say something now. Lots going on in the game and maybe this is the best way to apply pressure to the rulemakers. He's rarely controversial so it must be calculated.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Yes on 11/4/2024, 8:03:52, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

You really think the rule makers at the biggest league in the world are going to give a shit what Gary Sweet thinks? Sorry but this sounds like it is all about his ego. Stick to what you're good at Gary, that's running our football club and put your media career on the shelf.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Godders on 11/4/2024, 8:57:55, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

You really think the rule makers at the biggest league in the world are going to give a shit what Gary Sweet thinks?

Maybe. Maybe not but that's hardly the point. The more people that make a fuss the greater the pressure. Do you not understand how media and public pressure works?
2+2+50=1,000,000 etc.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Yes on 11/4/2024, 9:02:03, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Fully aware of how the media works and I am also aware of how corrupt the PL is.
Gary has started a fight he had no reason to be in. There are plenty of other things his time would be better spent doing. Obviously most of those things don't put him in the national limelight though.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Music Critic on 11/4/2024, 9:14:43, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Gary has started a fight he had no reason to be in.

What?!!! That is an incredible thing to say considering a) it impacts us directly and b) with our history of points deductions

Of course we have a reason to be in the fight

You just want us to be nicey, nicey and doff our cap to these corrupt cunts

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Yes on 11/4/2024, 9:27:34, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

What exactly is being achieved by Gary's comments?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Music Critic on 11/4/2024, 10:00:38, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Opening the debate up by not allowing one side (Forest and Everton whining and crying) to dominate the narrative. Look at all the sympathetic clucking and hand-wringing over 'poor old Forest, poor old Everton. Won't anyone think of the fans' bollocks. The argument needs to shift so there is no sympathy for rule-breaking. Like there wasn't when we were punished (for offences, I'd argue, weren't 5 times as bad as Everton's crimes and certainly not 10 times worse than Forest's)

Everton and Forest voted for punishing overspending as members of the Prem and they are now complaining about the rules that they voted for. That's what should be the narrative here. Not sympathy for cheats

I think a proper discussion needs to be had about overspending and how (or even if) you punish it. Why aren't we allowed to join that debate? Based on our history I think we're more entitled than most and entitled to express disappointment in what are pathetic, token gestures

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by m on 11/4/2024, 10:11:14, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Isn't that the real issue here though as you've so well put it
there needs to be clear outlines of what the penalties are for over spending. so everyone knows. Wether that be 2 points ,6 points whatever

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by RADSB on 11/4/2024, 10:34:34, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

The real issue is Man City. We all know they won't get points deductions, be relegated or have trophies taken away from them. So it's going to be a fine. That's where Everton and Forest real argument lies - they want to be fined too.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Music Critic on 11/4/2024, 10:51:05, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

That is very probably it

The Italian authorities had the bollocks to relegate Juventus. Our authorities are so weak in the face of the rich clubs. They are classic bullies. Pathetic and small who only go after the defenceless and poor

If they are moving away from points deduction, fines would be a) ironic and b) worthless in the fae of the nation-state owned clubs

What could work is a strict transfer embargo lasting, say, between 2 and 5 transfer windows depending on the level of overspend. You can sell but you can't buy. Can't even loan anyone in unless there is an injury crisis

But that won't suit the Prem either - they rely on all the super-duper football-celebrities being signed to keep up its profile and hype

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by HH on 11/4/2024, 11:05:54, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Can they even do that, legally? The club's voted on punishments for crimes. If City are found guilty, can the PL retrospectively change the punishment they would be facing?

City's alleged offences are far worse, basically cooking the books to hide losses.

Surely the other big clubs won't let a softer punishment fly without legal action? I get they might want softer sanctions for future offences but for those committed in the past?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by ELH on 11/4/2024, 11:26:47, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

The problem is there are no specified punishments or even guidelines for punishments. This has been a big problem with the PSR breaches with the various Commissions having to make them up which is why they have ended up trying to rely on imperfect precedents.

To be fair, City's alleged offences would be completely unprecedented. The previous commissions have referenced foreign cases so might try take precedent from e.g. Juve, but also should compare relatively to punishments given out for lesser offences in England.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by HH on 11/4/2024, 11:31:28, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Agreed. However, when considering clubs like Forest and Everton faced points deductions for single or dual offenses, what repercussions await a club like City, confronted with 115 charges involving activities such as falsifying salary information and fabricating sponsorship deals with excessively inflated financial incentives to sidestep FFP regulations?

It has to be something like relegation?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by ELH on 11/4/2024, 11:49:40, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

I would absolutely agree that 1 relegation is the minimum punishment that they should get if they are found guilty of falsification to avoid FFP punishments. Expensive lawyers though...

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by RADSB on 11/4/2024, 11:26:32, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

They'll wimp out as usual and issue sanctions against some individuals who delayed or hid things and who have already left the country or retired. Just like the sanctions against Tomlins and co. Fines for this and that, suspended sentences, short recruitment ban, censures and very strong language to camouflage an inept, hugely delayed and utterly cowardly investigation.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Music Critic on 11/4/2024, 11:22:09, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

You'd have thought they'd be on very rocky ground but it wouldn't surprise me. City should be judged on the rules/punishments at the time not any new ones, of course

I guess I meant transfer embargoes for crimes committed from next season onwards

But this is where years of a lack of regulation and a laissez-faire attitude to it all has got the Prem. They're now in a right mess because they kept on kicking the can down the road

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Kitman on 11/4/2024, 8:14:18, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

So you're wining because you think he spotless kept quiet but then claiming nobody listens. Make your mind up. If you think it's important enough for him to remain silent it's should be important enough to get heard. I'd twist him to make that call.

And if anyone is in any doubt he's actually not having a pop at Everton or Forest he's criticising the PL and 5 it's independent commission.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Yes on 11/4/2024, 8:32:04, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

I haven't a clue what your first sentence is supposed to mean sorry.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by pingu on 11/4/2024, 8:05:13, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

because you dont think they give a fukk, he cant express his (correct) view?

give over.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Yes on 11/4/2024, 8:09:22, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

How many other Managing Directors love the limelight like Gary does?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Nearly a Genius on 11/4/2024, 14:10:00, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Before you ask that, find out how many CEOs of Premier League clubs are lifelong genuine supporters of those clubs.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Y on 11/4/2024, 14:30:06, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

This isn't some 2 bit fan channel thing like Arsenal TV love. It's the Premier League.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ches Fordroad on 11/4/2024, 14:40:39, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

And your point, love?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Godders on 11/4/2024, 7:50:01, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by RADSB on 11/4/2024, 7:54:20, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by pingu on 11/4/2024, 7:38:16, in reply to "Gary Sweet"

if he upsets a load of fragile cnuts in the premier league, im all for it.

carry on gary.

forza 2020
forza mike hooker

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by KS on 11/4/2024, 8:49:58, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

They won't get upset though, will they.

They'll just find a way to get even.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by pingu on 11/4/2024, 10:36:49, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

dont overthink it.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by KS on 11/4/2024, 13:59:33, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

The bleeding obvious doesn't take any thinking at all.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by crumpsall on 11/4/2024, 8:31:14, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

If he upsets the resident faceless critic twats on here, good on him too!

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by pingu on 11/4/2024, 8:46:56, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

yki ship mate.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Herts Hatter on 11/4/2024, 7:40:53, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Unfortunately his comments made us sound like the fragile cnuts

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ches Fordroad on 11/4/2024, 8:34:40, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Unfortunately your comments made you sound like a fragile cunt

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by pingu on 11/4/2024, 7:51:47, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

hes doing a perfect job irking the world (and you), long may he irk.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Herts Hatter on 11/4/2024, 7:55:31, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

It only "irks" me because for 42 years I support Luton we have been a club who are "anti authority" and now we literally asking the authorities to penalise other clubs on our behalf

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Music Critic on 11/4/2024, 9:09:02, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

I look at it completely the opposite way. That we are being ant-establishment by questioning the current regime and governance

Sweet's comments were aimed at the Prem and its 'independent' commissions, surely? Just cos Everton fans are crying about them getting dragged into it, does that mean we should say nothing?

As I say, I would have been a tad more diplomatic but there's nothing wrong with what Sweet said

Oh, and what "Wat Tyler" says below. We've only been anti-authority since 2008

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by The Questioner on 11/4/2024, 9:02:31, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

It’s not just on our behalf it’s on behalf of the footballing community.
I don’t get this feeling sorry for Forest & Everton …they knowingly broke the rules to seek an advantage and now crying when get punished.
I think they thought they would get away with a fine and a slapped wrist because the football authorities are pathetic.
Imo they haven’t been punished anywhere near enough - look at the example rugby made with Saracens….which btw is pretty much what City and others are doing …but football is a billion dollar industry run by amateurs.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Wat Tyler on 11/4/2024, 9:01:10, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

So anti-authority that we had a chairman who became a Tory MP and who sucked up to the then Prime Minister and allowed our club to be used as an experiment in controlling fans.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ches Fordroad on 11/4/2024, 9:07:23, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Good point

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by The Questioner on 11/4/2024, 9:06:39, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Bloody hell mate that was 40 years ago think the op is referring to 2020’s stance.
I know you go back to the 1300’s but “let it go”…😂😂

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Wat Tyler on 11/4/2024, 9:10:31, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

“for 42 years I support Luton we have been a club who are "anti authority"

I think the OP clearly stated what he was referring to, if you’d been following.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ches Fordroad on 11/4/2024, 9:08:46, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

"Posted by Herts Hatter on 11/4/2024, 7:55:31, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"
It only "irks" me because for 42 years I support Luton we have been a club who are "anti authority" "

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Godders on 11/4/2024, 8:52:51, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

I'm not sure that's right at all.

What we are seeking is fairness, justice, and consistency.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by KS on 11/4/2024, 9:18:55, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Unfortunately that is not how it will be perceived.

I can't really see what was to be gained by entering the fray. It cant alter the points deduction already been made. It might - at a very long stretch - influence the appeal decision.

But if it does I very much doubt it will be the way we want it to.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by m on 11/4/2024, 9:27:24, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

From what I can make out it was an interview with local radio? Funny how in the Premier League these things gain such coverage. If he’d have said that last season no one would’ve batted an eyelid.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Y on 11/4/2024, 9:29:44, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

He knew what he was doing. He just loves the attention.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by pingu on 11/4/2024, 7:56:07, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

good, maybe its time we became cnuts too.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by J in C on 11/4/2024, 7:43:32, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

No they didn't.

You maybe

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Herts Hatter on 11/4/2024, 7:52:33, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

And how would you feel if when - in L1 for example - we were docked points our direct relegation rivals were out there asking for more?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by pingu on 11/4/2024, 7:57:04, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

😭😭😭

do you forget the support we got after our deductions?

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Ches Fordroad on 11/4/2024, 8:30:45, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

It'd be difficult to forget something so overwhelming

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by pingu on 11/4/2024, 8:47:19, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

😭😭😭

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by J in C on 11/4/2024, 7:17:24, in reply to "Gary Sweet"

Maybe he was just looking for fairness given how other clubs have been hammered.

We were not even allowed to appeal .

Have not read what he said but I am sure he knew what he was saying.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by GS on 11/4/2024, 7:33:39, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

Cheers Jimmy, maybe I was wrong not signing that autograph.

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by J in C on 11/4/2024, 7:35:22, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

What autograph dw

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Burnside on 11/4/2024, 8:55:48, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

All he's done is waved the imaginary yellow card like everyone does these days ...we are not in the 70s now ..no such thing as fair play..all players dive as well ...

Re: Gary Sweet

Posted by Muzza on 11/4/2024, 15:55:27, in reply to "Re: Gary Sweet"

I do have to laugh at all the "Gary loves the limelight" comments.
Pretty sure it wouldn't have been GS calling Justin Dealey and asking to be interviewed about all this.

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