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Why the hate
Posted by Kenny b block on 19/3/2024, 8:34:08
Why all the anger and hate on forest and Everton. We know better than anyone points deductions are not far on the fans or players.
The fact remains we need to do our bit on the pitch deductions or not we need to get points on the board and focus on ourselves
Bit if a rest now and hopefully a few players back I would rest a few further in city and arsenal away for the important games
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Hoof It on 19/3/2024, 10:50:21, in reply to "Why the hate "
The points deductions are the only way to go, after all you buy payers you cannot afford in order to get a more points on the pitch. If the penalty was purely fiscal how much should the fine be? Remember £30 million isn't a great deal to Man City, Newcastle etc whereas it would cripple a lot of other clubs.
I think the hate against Everton is due to them being relegated had the sanctions been in place when the y should have been in the previous two seasons.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by MG on 19/3/2024, 11:14:53, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
The hate against Everton . . . 1985.
But yes, your reason too .
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Issac Hunt on 19/3/2024, 11:16:07, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
The turd that won’t flush
Re: Why the hate
Posted by The Outsider on 19/3/2024, 11:08:16, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
Also, a club being fined doesn't benefit the clubs negatively affected by that club spending more than the limit.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by ELH on 19/3/2024, 11:33:36, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
Although the clubs negatively affected by Everton and Forest overspending are the ones relegated last year. Except Leicester who seemed to have overspent themselves! And Southampton finished a long way back, so just Leeds really.
Not that there's any other way of doing it other than punishing in the following season as real time financial information is unrealistic.
So in a way we could be inadvertent beneficiaries this season, but then again we don't know who is overspending in the current 3 year period. From the Forest commission report, if you add their losses from the last 2 seasons and the forecast loss for this season it is very close or slightly above the 105m limit. And that's assuming their forecast is realistic and not optimistic like all their other assumptions.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by The Outsider on 19/3/2024, 17:27:02, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
The maths isn't completely accurate (possibly just rounding differences) but they are still in a mess.
Posted by ELH on 19/3/2024, 17:37:43, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
Hopefully they will take the Leicester City approach to avoiding points deductions.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by The Outsider on 19/3/2024, 14:14:57, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
if you add their losses from the last 2 seasons and the forecast loss for this season it is very close or slightly above the 105m limit.
Their limit isn't £105m. They still have one of the three years at EFL level.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by ELH on 19/3/2024, 14:29:01, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
Yes I corrected myself below. And it means that if I've understood the report correctly they are going to smash through the limit this year according to their own forecast, even with the Brennan Johnson transfer.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by The Outsider on 19/3/2024, 15:57:12, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
Note to self - read the whole thread before replying
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Sendero Luminoso on 19/3/2024, 14:36:26, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
You would imagine they will have their finger well and truly pulled out this June and get some stock offloaded.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by ELH on 19/3/2024, 11:53:03, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
And I forgot that they still have a lower limit because 1 season was in the Championship.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Hoof It on 19/3/2024, 11:13:00, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
Agree
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Toddingtonsteve on 19/3/2024, 10:23:28, in reply to "Why the hate "
I didn’t used to mind Forest, but after the going on and on about the disallowed goal and gloating when they got up that changed. Don’t mind Everton, but for a team that clings on each season they have an inflated view of their status
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Trft on 19/3/2024, 10:21:10, in reply to "Why the hate "
charge.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Trft on 19/3/2024, 12:02:55, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
Correct ✅
Re: Why the hate
Posted by pingu on 19/3/2024, 9:56:27, in reply to "Why the hate "
who gives a fukk, they broke the rules - deal with it.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Brad Garlinghouse on 19/3/2024, 9:47:54, in reply to "Why the hate "
It’s not hate, it’s desperation to stay in this league. We have not overspent and have competed, although we have made a lot of neutral admirers we may not get over the line barring a miracle now, but hey we are Luton Town we’ve done it many times before.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 19/3/2024, 11:06:29, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
We're a point ahead of Forest, why will it take a miracle?
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Toddingtonsteve on 19/3/2024, 10:29:10, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
I’m not desperate to stay in the Prem, quite happy in the Championship, especially for away days. I wouldn’t define our chances of getting over the line as a miracle, our remaining fixtures are surprisingly similar to Forests so if we perform better than them we will do it.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Ches Fordroad on 19/3/2024, 9:08:33, in reply to "Why the hate "
Fuck 'em.
Remember the outrage their supporters showed back in 08 and 09 when it was us getting hammered?
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Music Critic on 19/3/2024, 8:58:36, in reply to "Why the hate "
Forest's fans cheered on the overspending
Remember the attitude of Derby fans when they were cheating? Mel Morris has the league on strings
Reading's fans cheered on their owner when he was new and shiny and spending money they didn't have. Likewise Sheff Wed
I'm going to be controversial here and say we did deserve some kind of points deduction over the period 2007 to 2008. Just not the ridiculous amount we got (especially the -10 from the FA for nothing more than a technicality)
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Herve Baquet on 19/3/2024, 12:03:30, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
To be fair to Wednesday, they didn't cheer anything on. I know a lot of Wednesday fans, having lived there for many years, and they all absolutely hate the board, and the way Chansiri has been running the club, and have done for years.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Music Critic on 19/3/2024, 12:16:26, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
They hate the board/owner now. They didn't when the owner first took over
They even had a slightly cringey banner made ("Thank you Dejphon Chansiri") that still sits somewhere on their Kop unless fans have ripped it down by now
They welcomed him with open arms, was splashing the cash and he was a hero in the first 2 or 3 years he was there. The fans lapped it up and cheered him on. The trouble is he did not have a plan to manage the club's finances in the event of his spending spree not resulting in promotion to the Prem. Which it didn't, of course. Hence the trouble they are in now
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Music Critic on 19/3/2024, 12:22:20, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
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Re: Why the hate
Posted by Brko's Bicycle on 19/3/2024, 10:48:14, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
That's essentially 2020's position, as Gary Sweet discussed in his media interviews back in the summer. We were bang to rights, but 30 was insanely punitive and over the top with no logic to it except spite.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Music Critic on 19/3/2024, 11:12:31, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
Ah, I didn't catch GS saying that.
It was especially galling as the fukkers who did run us into the ground had left (forced out by fan power) and a new broom (2020) had swept in. That surely warranted some leniency - as others on this thread have highlighted happened with other clubs with new owners
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Brko's Bicycle on 19/3/2024, 11:16:53, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
I'm paraphrasing, mind
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Sendero Luminoso on 19/3/2024, 9:16:56, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
I read through the ruling last night and the last line is a bit jarring in respect of the sanction that was put upon us.
In a Forest submission on the 'approach to sanction'
"Forest concluded that any sanction must go no further than is reasonably necessary and proportionate to achieve the legitimate purposes of the PSR regime, i.e., to protect the integrity of the Premier League, ensure fairness for all clubs, and (albeit to a lesser extent) to deter similar conduct in the future. The goal is not to punish for punishment’s sake"
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Non-League Yaya Toure on 19/3/2024, 9:05:04, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
Also wasn't it recently mentioned that Spurs did the same thing as us, at the same time and they didn't (and probably won't) receive any deductions?
That story seems to have been brushed under the carpet...
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Music Critic on 19/3/2024, 11:18:13, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
Come to think of it, you're right. There was news that broke about Spurs in the relatively recent past (might have even been last year) but I can't recall the details of the story
And, again, I think you're right that their 'crime' happened at the same time as we were being hung, drawn and quartered
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Music Critic on 19/3/2024, 11:20:46, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
A similar but not identical crime. A worse offence I'd suggest
They were dealing with an unlicensed agent - but it's perfectly alright because they probably paid him out of the right bank account
Re: Why the hate
Posted by The Outsider on 19/3/2024, 12:26:24, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
As the agent in question once played for us, we would probably have been penalised rather than Spurs
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 19/3/2024, 12:18:31, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
And in the 2008/9 season Southampton paid someone (an agent I think) out of the wrong bank account and were fined, no points deduction. And West Ham "signed" Tevez in an unorthdox manner, and were told not to do it again.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Music Critic on 19/3/2024, 9:15:08, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
I think it was West Ham and QPR. But not 100% sure
Re: Why the hate
Posted by RADSB on 19/3/2024, 9:25:04, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
They both did worse than us it directly affected events on the pitch all season. West Ham played Mascherano and Tevez illegally for just about the whole season and helped keep them in the PL and sent the Blades down. On the morning of the announcement of their punishment, I recall someone on the radio saying that West Ham will find out today if they are a big club or not - big club = fine, small club = points deduction. They got a fine.
QPR played Faurlin illegally all season in the 2nd tier - 10 goals and helped them get promotion to the PL. On the last day of the season they got a fine not a points deduction.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by MG on 19/3/2024, 10:13:06, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
And in the West Ham judgement it was specifically mentioned that sanctions impacting the club's league status would not be fair on the fans, or indeed the new owners.
Two things explicitly rejected when we were judged.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Music Critic on 19/3/2024, 10:26:15, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
I always say that I'm not a conspiracy theorist but everything points to there being some kind of anti-Luton plot at that time
Probably being egged on, behind the scenes, by that kunt Winkleman to allow him a path to build the franchise and their fanbase up
I now recall that being said in the West Ham judgement. I'm angry about it all over again. All fanbases/new owners are equal - it's just that some fanbases/new owners are more equal than others
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Town planner on 19/3/2024, 13:22:55, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
I said it at the time, footballing ‘authorities’ hate the idea of clubs being run by fan-led 2020 set ups because there’s nothing in it for them - plus fans are a pain to deal with.
They’d much rather be rubbing shoulders with elites of the financial world and see if any crumbs fall off the table for them.
It will be even low level stuff – getting your nephew that connection at Saudi PFI or the internship at a New York hedge fund. What could we offer, a summer in the ticket office with Mike, even if 2020 did go down the ‘soft diplomacy’ route.
So I don't think the -30 was a Luton thing, more about the 2020 model and wanting it to fail.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by MG on 19/3/2024, 10:40:26, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
Yes, I always used to like West Ham but the way they got away with that and how they got The London Stadium for a song just screams corruption to me.
Another club that has been given massive advantages.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by RADSB on 19/3/2024, 11:28:01, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
Wasn't there was a rule that no club could impinge on another London clubs territory - Orient is nearer to the London Stadium so they tore that rule up just for West Ham?
Re: Why the hate
Posted by MG on 19/3/2024, 11:29:17, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
Yes.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Ches Fordroad on 19/3/2024, 10:35:28, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
"Probably being egged on, behind the scenes, by that kunt Winkleman to allow him a path to build the franchise and their fanbase up"
No "probably" about it IMO, I'm absolutely certain he was pulling Brian Mawhinney's strings - he even showed up at his funeral FFS
Posted by Music Critic on 19/3/2024, 9:35:29, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
Thanks
Football is rancid
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Herts Hatter on 19/3/2024, 8:42:55, in reply to "Why the hate "
Ultimately I agree. The financial sustainability rules do not benefit smaller clubs at all - having said that they are rules which all clubs have signed up to so breaching them should be punishable. Having said that for us to stay up we need to either a) get some miracle recoveries in the treatment room and/or B) find a way to win matches with our much depleted team
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 19/3/2024, 9:22:44, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
B) must surely be to channel the anger about the Forest ruling to the players on the pitch as Everton did when they got their points deduction.
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Not a Sun reader on 19/3/2024, 8:38:52, in reply to "Why the hate "
Are we not supposed to play our strongest available team
Re: Why the hate
Posted by HatterInNottingham on 19/3/2024, 9:50:37, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
W Ham always seems to get preferential treatment eg Tevez and getting a new stadium for free - I'm sure it's coincidence rather than anything untoward happening behind the scenes
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Kenny b block on 19/3/2024, 10:59:30, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
I agree with all of the above but that’s my point the hate as it always has been and should be. Should be aimed at the fa and EFL
not these clubs fans going through what they are.
Personally don’t see why clubs should make any loss if I was a rich owner I would say sod it let’s spend 3/400 million and take the 6 points
Re: Why the hate
Posted by Hoof It on 19/3/2024, 10:56:36, in reply to "Re: Why the hate "
I always beleived that Tevez punishment for West Ham would have been completely different had it for example meant ManUre had missed out on a Chumpions League spot rather than relegate Sheff Utd.
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