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    Watfraud's new badge

    Posted by RADSB on 12/6/2019, 9:20:53

    Watfraud have sent out an email to their fans asking them to think of designs for a new club badge - a buzzy thing trapped inside an empty trophy cabinet would be my submission. I do hope we get to vote

    Here's the email if you're interested -

    "DESIGNS ON THE FUTURE

    A new-look club crest could be in your hands – literally

    The Hornets are set to be the first top-flight club to put the chance to design a new club crest out to the world!

    Throughout next year, as we mentioned at a fans Q&A event during last season, we’re looking for ideas from budding designers around the globe as to what logo might best represent Watford FC in the future.

    It was based on the idea of making Watford as instantly identifiable to fans of football worldwide; what would really represent us best as we move towards a new decade?

    And the beauty of this process is you’ll all get to vote on your favourite. We’ll eventually whittle the final selection down to six; five new designs and the current crest, which could remain if it gets the majority of the vote.

    For now though, spread the word.

    Are you a graphic designer? Or perhaps you sketch in your spare time and are full of ideas? You’ll probably know someone who’s into design either way, and that’s where your chance to be a big part of this starts.

    On Thursday, just after the fixtures are announced for 2019/20, we’ll be publishing details of how this will work, starting with instructions as to what to do to submit a design for our supporters’ panel to consider.

    Here’s to the future – however it looks!"

      Re: Watfraud's new badge

      Posted by The Cruiser on 12/6/2019, 9:54:29, in reply to "Watfraud's new badge"

      1898 must be a prominent feature.

        Re: Watfraud's new badge

        Posted by Grumpy on 13/6/2019, 0:48:49, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

        watford flag in guimaraes last week clearly said 1881

          Re: Watfraud's new badge

          Posted by The Outsider on 12/6/2019, 9:59:31, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

          Maybe include one of those things that allow you to move the numbers round so that they can just update it to whatever formation date they are using that day.

            Re: Watfraud's new badge

            Posted by RADSB on 12/6/2019, 10:16:10, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

            I'm having a battle with them atm about the 1881 nonsense. This is my justification for 1898 -
            "The 1881 date is incorrect. The Watford Observer of the 7th May 1898 clearly shows that two local clubs amalgamated to form a new club -
            “When three-parts of the season was gone, there were whispers of the advantages of amalgamation of the two clubs. That the principle was right few disputed, and the question narrowed itself down to a few minor difficulties. It was ascertained that the executive on both sides regarded the suggestion favourably, and joint meetings of the officials were arranged. The proposals took a definite shape, and very soon amalgamation was a thing accomplished. It was decided, however, that each club should finish off its fixtures. Next season the Watford club will play on the Cassio-Road ground, and one of the chief ideas of the amalgamation is to have a second team of sufficient strength to be an attraction while the first string is engaged elsewhere. The details of the amalgamation scheme we have already given in these columns. Generally speaking, then, the local football season which has just closed has been a most important one. It has witnessed two steps which have marked fresh epochs - the adoption of professionalism and the amalgamation of West Herts and Watford St. Mary’s.”

            The full F.A. council met in May 1898 and as reported at the time “permission was given to Watford St. Mary’s and West Herts to take the name of Watford Football Club , the two clubs having amalgamated.” The F.A. would clearly have been asked to make this decision and would have wanted the requisite evidence and approval from both clubs officials before putting the matter before the full council.

            So directly from May 1898 you have evidence that the two sets of officials met, negotiated and agreed amalgamation which the F.A. approved and the Watford Observer reported. Regrettably, the word "amalgamation" has been replaced by the word "absorption" by those close to the club. This gives the impression that West Herts absorbed Watford St. Mary's. They did not. This wrongful replacement of the word "amalgamation" was done with the intention of making West Herts history go back to 1891 and then back to 1881 when their predecessors, Watford Rovers, are said to be formed. The suggestion has also been made that Watford St. Mary's went bust. They did not. They folded because of the amalgamation with West Herts. Here it is important to note that West Herts full title was "West Herts Club and Ground" - it was a sports club which also had teams playing rugby, cricket, lacrosse and so on. West Herts therefore did not fold as Watford St. Mary's did. The insult to the memory of the men of Watford St. Mary's is therefore a great one - 5 of their players played for the new club of Watford F.C. including the first black player, John Cother."

              Re: Watfraud's new badge

              Posted by Ches Fordroad on 12/6/2019, 10:20:48, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

              They must be due to change it again soon - perhaps they can have another go at a 125th anniversary or something

                Re: Watfraud's new badge

                Posted by RADSB on 12/6/2019, 10:25:07, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"



                Guess who started the whole nonsense off? The Sports Editor at the Watford Observer who wrote the history of the club 1891-1991. Shame he didn't read his own paper when researching it.

                  Re: Watfraud's new badge

                  Posted by The Outsider on 12/6/2019, 10:50:31, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

                  It seems that it was actually Trefor Jones that started it all.

                  https://www.watfordfc.com/club/tribute-trefor-jones

                  You have got the name of his book wrong - the centenary was apparently from 1881 to 1991 !

                  https://www.abebooks.co.uk/official-centenary-history-Watford-1881-1991/3299660688/bd

                    Re: Watfraud's new badge

                    Posted by RADSB on 12/6/2019, 10:59:59, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

                    Ah, wrong. The original title of the book by Oliver Phillips (Watford Observer sports editor) was 1891-1991. In 1991 they had a special 100 years badge put on their shirts and played a centenery match against Arsenal in August 1991. Trefor Jones (who has recently passed away) found the 1881 date while they were "celebrating" their centenery in 1991 so it all petered out. They pulled the 1891-1991 book and reprinted with the 1881 nonsense in it.

                      Re: Watfraud's new badge

                      Posted by The Outsider on 12/6/2019, 11:14:21, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

                      That article seems to imply that Jones was involved all along with helping him on the book and already had the 1881 date some time earlier as does this one.

                      https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/11260398.the-watford-observers-former-assistant-editor-explains-why-trefor-jones-was-a-deserving-recipient-of-watfords-supporter-of-the-season-accolade/

                        Re: Watfraud's new badge

                        Posted by RADSB on 12/6/2019, 11:21:45, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

                        You might be right about the book title now you've questioned it. But it seems to have been Phillips who dismissed 1898. I corresponded with Jones before my website was up and running. I've just found what he said to me -

                        "let me tell you that, when Watford werepreparing to celebrate their centenary in 1991 I was called upon as a consultant for the publication of a "Centenary Book". I set the cat among the pigeons by pointing out that actually the club had been formed in 1881 -not 1891, a date which had been passed down the years, because nobody - nobody - except me had ever bothered to do any research. The "Centenary" celebrations went ahead, but accompanied by the embarrassing need to admit that they were ten years late ..."

                          Re: Watfraud's new badge

                          Posted by The Outsider on 12/6/2019, 11:24:27, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

                          Only Watford could have a 110 year centenary !

                          Did Jones have a letter from Ye Olde Midland Bank confirming the formation date

                            Re: Watfraud's new badge

                            Posted by RADSB on 12/6/2019, 11:54:30, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

                            I know 2 Watfraud fans and both say the club was formed in 1898.

                              Re: Watfraud's new badge

                              Posted by Oh No on 13/6/2019, 17:32:06, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

                              Of course you do

          Re: Watfraud's new badge

          Posted by The Outsider on 12/6/2019, 9:45:38, in reply to "Watfraud's new badge"

          Significant that they are going to give the fans SIX O ptions to choose from.

          An empty trophy cabinet decorated with a selection of vegetables with SIX on one side and NIL on the other in the shadow of the LTFC badge.

            Re: Watfraud's new badge

            Posted by Alhatter on 12/6/2019, 10:09:30, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

            And an Italian flag.

              Re: Watfraud's new badge

              Posted by The Outsider on 12/6/2019, 10:15:29, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

              And a letter from HSBC.

                Re: Watfraud's new badge

                Posted by Alhatter on 12/6/2019, 12:38:21, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

                And some veg

            Re: Watfraud's new badge

            Posted by hatters1988 on 12/6/2019, 9:42:40, in reply to "Watfraud's new badge"

            Any one able to draw a bunch of wankers?

              Re: Watfraud's new badge

              Posted by Captain Right On on 12/6/2019, 14:02:43, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

              I believe the correct term is 'a handful of wankers'.

              Re: Watfraud's new badge

              Posted by Noddy on 12/6/2019, 9:38:23, in reply to "Watfraud's new badge"

              Wouldn’t it be easier to resolve the confusion by amending the nickname to the mooses, moosi, mice or whatever the plural of moose is?

                Re: Watfraud's new badge

                Posted by Journeyman on 12/6/2019, 9:28:41, in reply to "Watfraud's new badge"

                They should definitely celebrate their historic achievement in the design.

                Perhaps by putting 6 stars on it.

                  Re: Watfraud's new badge

                  Posted by Nearly a Genius on 12/6/2019, 10:18:46, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

                  A hornet being swatted by a straw boater?

                  Re: Watfraud's new badge

                  Posted by Ches Fordroad on 12/6/2019, 9:25:28, in reply to "Watfraud's new badge"

                  Good to see that they're following Hertfordshire's No 1 club

                  https://www.stevenagefc.com/news/2019/june/stevenage-fc-new-crest-design-reveal-efl-english-football-league-saturday-1st-june-2019/

                  Or perhaps they can just use the new generic design that's doing the rounds

                  https://twitter.com/BaggieFans/status/1134823675402838017

                    Re: Watfraud's new badge

                    Posted by RADSB on 12/6/2019, 9:31:19, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

                    Brentford's is the oddest as the club was known by the shortened version "the B's" - some fans took it as "Bees" and it stuck.

                      Re: Watfraud's new badge

                      Posted by Journeyman on 12/6/2019, 9:36:30, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

                      Lucky QPR fans didn’t do the same...

                    Re: Watfraud's new badge

                    Posted by HH on 12/6/2019, 9:24:37, in reply to "Watfraud's new badge"

                    It was based on the idea of making Watford as instantly identifiable to fans of football worldwide;

                    I'm loathe to having to defend them but haven't they already got that? Their badge is quite unique in that respect

                      Re: Watfraud's new badge

                      Posted by Journeyman on 12/6/2019, 9:27:17, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

                      Didn’t they take care of the “instantly identifiable to fans worldwide” thing in the cup final?

                        Re: Watfraud's new badge

                        Posted by HH on 12/6/2019, 9:33:15, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

                          Re: Watfraud's new badge

                          Posted by Short n curly on 12/6/2019, 13:21:03, in reply to "Re: Watfraud's new badge"

                          Here is my design

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