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    Bullshyte fees for players

    Posted by The Scout on 10/6/2019, 22:44:48

    It seems to me that the people getting giddy about fees are the ones who are the most gullible and who know the least. Why do they try and back up their false claims by stating they know someone at the club? The fact is that only 2 or 3 people at the club are itk on this and none of those would utter a peep about something which is confidential and ongoing.

    Regarding JJ, if love someone to give me an list of the full backs, who haven't kicked a Championship ball, who've been sold for more than £2m.

    And you get people suggesting that we've been offered 6 times that figure guaranteed and up front. Just stop the bullshit.

      Re: Bullshyte fees for players

      Posted by Brko's Bicycle on 11/6/2019, 12:39:32, in reply to "Bullshyte fees for players"

      The points you raise in this thread are good ones, which is why I'm still hopeful that efforts are being made to persuade him to stay a little longer. If he puts in consistent performances for half a season in the Championship then suddenly those bullshyte fees become much more realistic.

      There's a huge difference in the market for League One and Championship players, and I hope the club can protect its asset long enough for it to mature!

        Re: Bullshyte fees for players

        Posted by EastEnder on 10/6/2019, 22:49:10, in reply to "Bullshyte fees for players"

        When oldgold typed 12m, he meant 12 months, not 12 mill.

        Not that there isn't plenty of other similar bullshit around.

          Re: Bullshyte fees for players

          Posted by Yosser on 10/6/2019, 22:57:01, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

          It will be undisclosed whatever it is so we will never know ,where's the transpercy eh?

            Re: Bullshyte fees for players

            Posted by EastEnder on 10/6/2019, 22:59:08, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

            Yep, teh lack of transpercy is a bloody discrace.

          Re: Bullshyte fees for players

          Posted by The Scout on 10/6/2019, 22:50:43, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

          £12s, £10s, £8s being quoted all the time, on here, on fb, on twitter.

            Re: Bullshyte fees for players

            Posted by Nick PBH on 10/6/2019, 23:08:31, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

            Every fee we are involved with is undisclosed, but the figure seems to get semi guessed at. Makes sense..if we were to get 7.5 million for JJ plus add ons, would we really want to advertise to any clubs we approach that we had potentially that much to spend on his replacement (be that a lb or rb)

            nd yeah we aint goign to sign that everton player on 23k a week..someone on fb was suggesting we could do it if we shifted on a few on 4k per week..i`m sure the rest of the squad would have agents queuing up saying "hang on a second..."

              Re: Bullshyte fees for players

              Posted by The Scout on 10/6/2019, 23:13:02, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

              See! There you go! £7.5m? Show me the evidence and show me the record transfer fee for a rb from league 1 or even the championship!

                Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                Posted by HH on 11/6/2019, 11:22:36, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                Brayford went for £2 million in 2010 to Derby

                I think with football inflation applied, and the ever increased money in the top flight, plus the competition for his signature then personally I can't see it as too extreme that we would get £5m-£7m for Justin.

                As a comparison, and I I appreciate he was a midfielder, Villa paid Leeds £8m for Delph 10 years ago and he had 1 game in the Championship!

                  Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                  Posted by West Side Vinny on 11/6/2019, 11:37:58, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                  Salary inflation is one thing but transfer fees haven't increased as much outside of the very top level where it is out of control.

                  In ten years average transfer fees below the Prem have nowhere near doubled. Forgive me I remember reading it in a report but can't remember where. It spoke about the polarisation of the game where the rich are getting much much richer while the rest remain stagnant.

                  As I said, anything over £4m and we've done bloody well.

                  Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                  Posted by Costa Hat on 11/6/2019, 7:12:33, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                  The young lad from Bristol went for 10 mill didn’t he? That will do for starters

                    Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                    Posted by Petty on 10/6/2019, 23:31:01, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                    Have you been sleeping for the past couple of years? The Premier League TV money has inflated transfer fees ridiculously, especially for young English players.

                    £7.5m is not unrealistic if all the add-ons came in over time.

                      Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                      Posted by The Scout on 11/6/2019, 7:30:18, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                      Show me the evidence of a right back who's not played higher than L1 going for more than £2m!

                        Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                        Posted by Petty on 11/6/2019, 9:56:58, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                        The Premier League clubs now get 3x to 4x as much money from TV rights as they did in 2005 (14 YEARS AGO!), when Curtis Davies was signed for £3m after just a handful of games in the Championship.

                        If you think £7.5m for a Championship club's young English player is pie in the sky then you haven't been paying much attention to Premier League transfer activity over the past couple of years.

                          Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                          Posted by West Side Vinny on 11/6/2019, 9:58:08, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                          Actually his point is right. PL clubs are never going to risk that kind of dosh on a player who's never played higher than L1 and if you think they are you're deluded.

                            Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                            Posted by Petty on 11/6/2019, 10:01:22, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                            With add-ons I expect it will be getting way closer to the £7.5m figure than it would be say £2m or even £3m.

                            Whether JJ went on the achieve the milestones at whatever club he goes to for those add-ons to pay out is another matter.

                              Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                              Posted by West Side Vinny on 11/6/2019, 10:04:23, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                              People aren't quoting 'add-ons' though are they? I've seen some say £15m guaranteed is low on twatter ffs. Fecking deluded.

                              My gut feel is £4m with up to £2m later but I think we'll have done well on that.

                                Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                                Posted by Petty on 11/6/2019, 10:08:38, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                                I've not seen anyone say £15m is low, but I wouldn't put it past some of our fans to believe that.

                                At a guess I'd go £5m raising towards that £7.5m with add-ons quoted by various sources if there are enough interested parties wanting him.

                          Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                          Posted by MetalHatter on 11/6/2019, 7:38:34, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                          JJ isn't just a standard rb though is he? Attacking full backs are now more valuable than other positions and dictate how many teams play. Leicester's best player last season was Periera and they may well lose Chilwell for 40+ million, football is ####ed and values are inflated but JJ is 100% worth 7.5+ million.

                            Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                            Posted by Fatsy on 11/6/2019, 7:36:59, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                            If Lloyd Kelly has gone for 13m aged 20 and after only 40 games in the championship. I think Luton would be under selling at 2m for JJ.

                              Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                              Posted by The Scout on 11/6/2019, 7:48:09, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                              1. I didn't say we would sell JJ for £2m.
                              2. Lloyd Kelly was younger, had actually played 40 games one level below his destination and was a better player signified by the 9 u20 caps he had received.
                              3. The club Kelly went from were an established Championship club, not one that had just got promoted.

                              Let's have an apples v apples comparison.

                                Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                                Posted by Costa Hat on 11/6/2019, 8:04:30, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                                People are answering your questions so now your changing them, why wouldn’t Justin be worth at least half that Bournemouth paid for Kelly?

                                  Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                                  Posted by The Scout on 11/6/2019, 8:23:31, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                                  Nobody has answered my question. What right back has ever been sold for more than £2m having never kicked a ball in the championship?
                                  The reason why JJ is worth much, much less than Kelly is because Premier League clubs don't generally buy players from League One because there is a huge risk that he hasn't proved himself above that level, two gulf levels below where they want him to play.

                                  For the record, I'd be very disappointed if we didn't bag more than £3m guaranteed this breaking the record for a RB having not played above L1.

                                    Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                                    Posted by Lancaster Hatter on 11/6/2019, 9:53:51, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                                    "Nobody has answered my question. What right back has ever been sold for more than £2m having never kicked a ball in the championship?"

                                    Dani Alves once joined Barcelona for €32.5 million - he's never kicked a ball in the Championship.

                                    ... You're welcome.

                                    Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                                    Posted by West Side Vinny on 11/6/2019, 9:52:57, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                                    Actually Matt Lowton (now at Burnley) went to Villa from Sheff U for just over around £3m a few years ago although to be fair he was a centre back at the time if memory serves.

                                    Your point is a good one though. Hull only paid £2.6m for Harry Maguire who was L1 at the time.

                                      Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                                      Posted by HemHat on 11/6/2019, 10:02:50, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                                      Lowton played 30+games in the Championship before Sheff got relegated

                                        Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                                        Posted by West Side Vinny on 11/6/2019, 11:33:51, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                                        Played sir. I stand corrected. Not sure who the highest is then, do you?

                                          Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                                          Posted by HemHat on 11/6/2019, 11:55:39, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                                          No idea mate. I only remember that about Lowton 'cos I signed him on FM one year

                                      Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                                      Posted by Captain Andrea Sparklet on 11/6/2019, 9:01:52, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                                      You might need to take some Nurofem after banging your head against a brick wall

                              Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                              Posted by Buzzard on 11/6/2019, 5:57:41, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                              Unlikely he has been sleeping... 😂

                                Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                                Posted by The Outsider on 10/6/2019, 23:59:28, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                                Most posts seem to imply that the £7.5m is just the initial fee with plenty of add-ons on top.

                                Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                                Posted by Nick PBH on 10/6/2019, 23:16:45, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                                i said if...

                                  Re: Bullshyte fees for players

                                  Posted by The Scout on 11/6/2019, 7:31:32, in reply to "Re: Bullshyte fees for players"

                                  Speculation with no evidence whatsoever

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